It is somewhat common for new people to show up at this blog armed with the Administration's NSA legal defenses and then start demanding that these arguments be addressed. As a result, it is necessary for me to point out periodically that, along with many other people, I spent considerable time in the weeks immediately after the NSA scandal first arose hashing out all of these legal arguments.
I didn't just wake up one day and leap to the conclusion that the Administration broke the law deliberately and that there are no reasonable arguments to defend that law-breaking (as many Bush followers leaped to the conclusion that he did nothing wrong and then began their hunt to find rationale or advocates to support this conclusion). I arrived at the conclusion that Bush clearly broke the law only by spending enormous amounts of time researching these issues and reading and responding to the defenses from the Administration's apologists.
I say all of this because now and then the accusation arises that I write from the perspective that Bush broke the law with his warrantless eavesdropping without setting forth the rationale for that view. I can't write a new legal brief every time someone new shows up who decides they want to recite the Administration's legal defenses. At some point, I have addressed each of these legal arguments (usually multiple times), as have many other people. If someone really thinks there are arguments I have not addressed, I'm happy to debate them, but I'd request first that you review the following posts I've written (or posts written by others to which I've cited) on each legal issue relating to the NSA scandal:
The statutory arguments are addressed here, here, and here.
The AUMF argument are addressed here, here, and here.
The inherent authority/Article II argument is addressed here, here, here, here, here and here.
The various FISA-deficiency-based defenses are addressed here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.
Replies to and critiques of the Administration's defenses are here, here, here, here, here, and here.
The 4th Amendment argument is addressed here and here.
The "harm to national security" claim is addressed here, here, here, and here.
In addition, see: Eriposte at The Left Coaster, who has compiled many of the NSA arguments made against the Administration's position in the blogosphere (including many made on this blog) here, as well as the legal brief of 14 professors and former government lawyers as to why the Administration's legal arguments are frivolous, here.
Ultimately, though, the entire legal debate in the NSA scandal comes down to these few, very clear and straightforward facts: Congress passed a law in 1978 making it a criminal offense to eavesdrop on Americans without judicial oversight. Nobody of any significance ever claimed that that law was unconstitutional. The Administration not only never claimed it was unconstitutional, but Bush expressly asked for changes to the law in the aftermath of 9/11, thereafter praised the law, and misled Congress and the American people into believing that they were complying with the law. In reality, the Administration was secretly breaking the law, and then pleaded with The New York Times not to reveal this. Once caught, the Administration claimed it has the right to break the law and will continue to do so.
That's where we are in this country -- with an Administration expressly claiming it has the power to engage in actions which the American people, through their Congress, expressly made it a criminal offense to engage in.
This is a great resource, Glenn. And I am glad that you cover not only the legal aspects of this, but more importantly, the political, constitutional and even cultural aspects of all of the NSA scandal as well as all of the other meaningful issues we have.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree with all of your views, but nobody can fairly accuse you of not doing the work to set forth your basis for those views.
Glenn: Does the blogger software allow you to make this post a "sticky"? Can you paste it on your sidebar or otherwise maintain it prominently on your front page?
ReplyDeleteI know I am sick to death of each new wave of Bush-supporting apologist cruising through and acting as if you (and a lot of us who comment here) have not already addressed what they imagine to be startling and new arguments that defy rebuttal. It would be nice if one could simply say: "Been there, done that -- go see the sticky."
Glenn:
ReplyDeleteIt is somewhat common for new people to show up at this blog armed with the Administration's NSA legal defenses and then start demanding that these arguments be addressed. As a result, it is necessary for me to point out periodically that, along with many other people, I spent considerable time in the weeks immediately after the NSA scandal first arose hashing out all of these legal arguments.
I didn't find your blog until the debate on this subject was well underway. I posted my "brief" at the suggestion of another poster to create a breakdown of the arguments for the convenience of the viewers of your blog. This is after all a very complex legal topic which confuses many attorneys nevertheless lay people.
It wasn't a demand for you to personally help us draft that breakdown. Any contribution you might make would be appreciated, but don't feel obligated.
I posted my "brief" at the suggestion of another poster to create a breakdown of the arguments for the convenience of the viewers of your blog.
ReplyDeleteThis post wasn't directed at you per se, Bart. I thought your brief was well done but the arguments you raised are just the DoJ's basic arguments that have been around for awhile. I have addressed each of them multiple times and I just didn't want to leave the impression that I'm not willing to engage those arguments or that there aren't extremely compelling answers to them.
And it isn't just me who has answered them and argued that they lack merit - scores of conservative legal scholars and pundits have as well.
I wouldn't want a government I trusted to have the kind of power that the Bush Administration is trying to claim.
ReplyDeleteI CERTAINLY wouldn't want Bush to have that kind of power!
I dont get it -- why do people still trust them? I read your previous post, Mr. Greenwald, about the "Authoritarian Cult" and I have observed many of the same phenomena but I can't understand why people can't just say: "oh, well, they haven't done anything the way they said they were going to, and we have exacerbated every single problem we already had. It's time to get some new guys in charge!"
This is a great resource, like Kit said. Hypatia's suggestion is excellent; you could implement it somewhat like Balkinization's Anti-Torture Memos, which is a spectacular resource on abuses of executive power over the past few years.
ReplyDeleteThey have a link to it on the left-hand side of every page, and update it regularly to include all the relevant posts.
I really hope you decide to do something like that, because it would be a great research tool for all of us and would help answer talking points (and real arguments) more effectively.
Great work, Glenn!
Sorry, I fogot to actually put in the URL for the anti-torture memos in my last post. The link is here: anti-torture memos
ReplyDelete...good summary, but you need to step back much further than merely the 1978 FISA law -- to see the ultimate big picture here.
ReplyDeleteThe fundamental issue is not the specifics of FISA or even the Constitution -- it is the "Rule-of-Law" itself.
What does rule-of-law mean in today's America (.. if anything) ?
The President now does whatever he wants --- no matter what the legal ink-on-paper looks like ... or what anybody on the planet says about it.
This wiretapping stuff is merely the latest manifestation.
There's no accountability.
The very worst that could happen is impeachment and removal from office {..very unlikely} ... with a very comfortable retirement at the Texas ranch... and Nixon-like public redemption after a few years.
There is no rule-of-law here, just age-old power politics... and it's working very well for the Executive branch ??
I agree with Hypatia and linkmeister. Some sort of semi-permanent 'reference link' section listing posts dealing with basic underlying issues would a tremendous resource.
ReplyDeleteI agree also that it would be enormously helpful to have this information in a sidebar.
ReplyDeleteIt will be interesting to see how John Roberts views things if these issues, in one form or another, ever get to the SC. He professed to be a person who believes in the Rule of Law above everything Hpefully, he was telling the truth.
I've placed the requested link on the side of the blog. It only took me 90 minutes to accomplish. What other blog provides this type of responsive and accomodating service - and on Sunday, no less?
ReplyDeleteI've placed the requested link on the side of the blog. It only took me 90 minutes to accomplish. What other blog provides this type of responsive and accomodating service - and on Sunday, no less?
ReplyDeleteOh, boo-effing-hoo. ;)
But seriously, thank you. It will make it so much easier to deal with newcomers who think they have the Key Argument That Makes It All Legal that no one had previously considered.
no trolls on here.
ReplyDeletemaybe they're giving up.
glenn, you've been one hell of an inspiration. I hope senior democratic figures have contacted you at some point. Also, you'd be an excellent guest on a cable news network.
we need something to wash the taste of Tom Daschle from our mouths.
Please let us know if these becomes concievable.
glasnost:
ReplyDeleteCheck out Glenn on CSPAN debating the spying program. He was beyond excellent.
"Glenn Greenwald said...
ReplyDeleteI've placed the requested link on the side of the blog. It only took me 90 minutes to accomplish. What other blog provides this type of responsive and accomodating service - and on Sunday, no less?"
Glenn, you are so cool. THANK YOU!
Thanks so much for this post, Glenn! Just what I needed for my pesky questions about the 4th Amendment in relation to this whole thing...
ReplyDelete"the Key Argument That Makes It All Legal that no one had previously considered"
ReplyDeleteJimmy Carter, 1979:
"Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General is authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign intelligence information without a court order"
Executive Order 12139.
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