I don't have the time this morning to post extensively on the issues I want to post about -- I will post more later today -- but there are multiple items along this line, and others, worth noting for the moment:
(1) This article from today's The Washington Post demonstrates just how vibrant and growing this scandal is. The article reports that additional witnesses will be called by the Senate Judiciary Committee, including John Ashcroft, James Comey, and other high-level DoJ officials who alerted the Administration to the fact that their warrantless eavesdropping program was illegal. The Administration is, of course, attempting to block their testimony through the invocation of every "privilege" it can find, and they are also attempting to conceal relevant documents reflecting the fact that they were advised of the program's illegality by their own high-level lawyers.
There is certain to be a growing dispute between the Committee and the increasingly partisan DoJ over the Administration's ongoing attempts to conceal information which demonstrates that even conservative high-level DoJ lawyers advised that this program was illegal:
In addition, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales signaled in an interview with The Washington Post yesterday that the administration will sharply limit the testimony of former attorney general John D. Ashcroft and former deputy attorney general James B. Comey, both of whom have been asked to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee regarding the program.
"Clearly, there are privilege issues that have to be considered," Gonzales said. "As a general matter, we would not be disclosing internal deliberations, internal
recommendations. That's not something we'd do as a general matter, whether or not you're a current member of the administration or a former member of the administration."
"You have to wonder what could Messrs. Comey and Ashcroft add to the discussion," Gonzales added. In response to the comments last night, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) said he has asked Gonzales for permission to call Ashcroft and Comey to testify but has not received an answer.
"I'm not asking about internal memoranda or any internal discussions or any of those kind of documents which would have a chilling effect," Specter said.
But he said he would expect Ashcroft and Comey to talk about the legal issues at play in the case, including debates within the administration that included a visit by high-level officials to Ashcroft while he was in a hospital bed in 2004.
The remarks are among the latest developments in the debate over the National Security Agency program, which was first revealed in media reports in December. President Bush and his aides have strongly defended the program as both lawful and necessary to track suspected al Qaeda associates, but many legal scholars and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have raised doubts about the program's legality.
The more the Administration tries to cover-up what it did and block the various investigations, the longer this scandal will endure.
And shouldn't it be painfully obvious to all of those frightened Democrats that the chest-beating claim by Bush followers that this scandal benefits Republicans is a complete bluff and sham? If it were the case that this scandal helps Republicans, they would be doing everything they could to ensure that this scandal persists and that there were as many hearings held as possible. They are doing the opposite - they are doing everything they can to kill the scandal and make it go away. Isn't it obvious that they fear the scandal and realize it has the potential to do great harm? Why else would they be trying to suppress these investigations? Is Karl Rove's childish bravado really that blinding that it can erase basic logic?
(2) George Will became the latest in a long and growing line of conservatives to loudly trumpet the true threat to the core principles of our democracy posed by the Administration's law-breaking and its theories of an unchecked Executive. Anonymous Liberal has posted an excellent analysis of Will's column. Correctly pointing out that the Administration has embraced a "monarchical doctrine," Will explains:
Besides, terrorism is not the only new danger of this era. Another is the administration's argument that because the president is commander in chief, he is the "sole organ for the nation in foreign affairs." That non sequitur is refuted by the Constitution's plain language, which empowers Congress to ratify treaties, declare war, fund and regulate military forces, and make laws "necessary and proper" for the execution of all presidential powers . Those powers do not include deciding that a law -- FISA, for example -- is somehow exempted from the presidential duty to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."
With as many conservatives as there are loudly protesting the Administration's attempt to claim the power of law-breaking, there is no way for this scandal to simply fade away. The protests from patriotic Americans across the ideological divide will simply not permit it.
(3) The vote of the House Judiciary Committee which I reported on yesterday to reject a proposal by Rep. Conyers to demand various documents from the DoJ was not, as I indicated, strictly on party lines. Every Democrat voted for it, but one Republican, Rep. John N. Hostettler of Indiana, also did.
(4) In yesterday's post, I commented upon the glaring disparity between: (a) the propagandistic myths which Bush followers have ingested that paint a picture of Republicans as being wildly popular among the "vast majority" of Americans (i.e., all normal Americans, excluding just a few radical, fringe freaks on the coast), and (b) the facts, reflected almost unanimously by polling data, showing that George Bush is an intensely unpopular President and that Americans actually reject his foreign policy overwhelmingly. It is truly amazing, and alarming, how Bush followers continue to maintain that myth even in the face of overwhelming evidence which negates it.
As he so often does, a commenter here, Gedalyia, wrote several comments in response to that post yesterday which hilariously and potently reflect exactly the syndrome which was being described. Here is what he said as part of one of those Comments:
Thank God the vast majority of Americans reject your suicidal impulses, and that we have a military capable of carrying out our will to defeat Islamic fascism.
He made similar comments about how Democrats would be sure to suffer smashing electoral defeat if they criticized Bush on the NSA scandal or other Administration foreign policies -- exactly the factually false myths that I described yesterday.
The reason that you can't debate the specific strain of loyal Bush followers represented by Gedalyia is because they live in a dense, fact-free world where their hatred for Arabs ("There are over 3,000,000 Arabs in the United States. I'm surprised there aren't more names on the terrorist watch list") and creepy worship of George Bush's faux cowboy strutting outweighs, by far, any facts that you can show them. The manufactured and meticulously maintained Bush image of manly courage and masculine toughness -- an image contradicted by every fact of George Bush's actual life -- is particularly important here, as this well of masculine power is extremely potent for people like Gedalyia, who perceive that they lack those attributes themselves and thus worship others who project it. It's all emotional and psychological for guys like him and thus not susceptible to reasoned discourse.
Before he wrote the Comment which I just quoted, he presumably read the post I wrote which described the polling data showing that Americans overwhelmingly reject the war in Iraq and that a plurality are opposed to the NSA program. And yet, compare his claim that the "vast majority of Americans" support the agenda of the Administration to the facts I cited in the post, just to get an idea for how delusional and fact-resistant so many Bush followers are:
About 49 percent of respondents said the president had definitely or probably broken the law by authorizing the wiretaps and 47 percent said he probably or definitely had not.
Those numbers were similar to a question about whether the program is right or wrong -- 47 percent said it was right and 50 percent called it wrong.
Eichenberg says all that [perceptions that Iran is a growing danger] is eroding President Bush's standing, too. Among those polled, 55% say they lack confidence in the administration's ability to handle the situation in Iran. And Bush's approval rating has dipped to 39%, the first time below 40% since November, in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
A 55% majority say the war in Iraq was a mistake. Just 31%, a record low since the question has been asked, say the United States and its allies are winning there.
"It [the poll] suggests that he's pretty much down to his core supporters out there ... and everyone else has left," says Richard Stoll, a political scientist at Rice University.
People like Gedalyia who see George Bush as a figure of phallic greatness live in a fantasy world where the "vast majority" of people support Bush's policies and actions, and criticizing the Leader's actions -- especially those designed to heroically protect us -- will therefore lead to certain electoral defeat, even though every available fact demonstrates that the opposite is true.
People like that are beyond the reach of reason, because the fulfillment which they derive from being a Bush follower and all of the ritualistic, risk-free chest-beating which that entails renders them indifferent to rational discourse. This genuinely brilliant analysis by Digby -- which dissects the grotesque episode in which the mushy Chris Matthews drooled with sad, needy homoerotic reverence over Bush's strutting around on that aircraft carrier in his little pilot outfit, while G. Gordon Liddy expressed overt admiration for Bush's masculine package -- remains the gold standard for understanding why and how meek male losers find such personal satisfaction and fulfillment by being a Bush follower. It is as physically unpleasant as it is important to understand.
(5) I was not all that enthusiastic about the Dick Cheney hunting story but I watched Cheney's loving sit-down with Brit Hume -- a visit which resembled a concerned, supportive son visiting his father during an emotional crisis far more than it did a journalist interviewing an elected official about a government scandal -- and it was amazingly apparent just how unforthcoming and self-protectively dishonest Cheney was being in describing what happened.
I'm far from convinced that there was any great cover-up here, but clearly Cheney waited to notify the press and then waited much longer to talk about what happened because he did not know what the outcome would be and wanted time to construct his story and defense. The interview was replete with the sort of obfuscating and evasion that one routinely finds in an overly prepared and defensive deposition witness who is doing everything except testifying truthfully and clearly. Two clear falsehoods stuck out for me.
The first was one initially detected by the always perceptive Emptywheel and thoroughly documented by Roy Temple -- that Cheney repeatedly claimed that Katherine Armstrong witnessed the shooting which is why he assigned her the task of reporting the incident to the media, even though her statements leave no doubt that she was not a witness at all. This post also does a great job in illustrating what is a pattern of clear and deliberate inconsistencies in the stories given by Cheney and his close friend, Ms. Armstrong.
The second falsehood is the fact that Cheney continuously referred to Harry Whittington as a "great friend" and "my friend Harry" even though he admitted that Whittington was just an "acquaintance" with whom he had never even hunted before. This is not notable because it's some grand deceit but it reflects the fact that Cheney's approach to the whole interview was to manipulate sympathy and secure political protection rather than candidly describe what happened.
All of that unctuous yammering about "my friend Harry" was designed to make it seem like Cheney was going through some sort of grand emotional crisis over the plight of his old, close friend and, therefore, we should let Cheney alone in his time of grief over this tragic accident. In fact, Whittington is nothing of the sort for Cheney, as he admitted in a moment of unguarded candor. The whole interview was play-acting from start to finish, which is why, of course, Cheney chose a "journalist" notable primarily for his unseemly eagerness to act out his assigned role in the White House's scripts.
Your description of the emotional and psychological fulfillment which they get from being in that violent cult is extremely funny but also spot on. And it makes me want to take a shower.
ReplyDeleteAnd i love how you say that you don't have time to post and are going to throw up just a few quick items. And then proceeed to provide more content and thought-provoking stuff than other bloggers do in a whole week. Great stuff, Glenn
Steve Soto has an interesting take on the NSA scandal and the netroots of the Democratic party, and he is basically accepting defeat on this issue:
ReplyDeleteThere has been a lot of gnashing of teeth in the center-left blogosphere of late about the perceived timidity of Beltway Democrats in taking principled stands against Bush and the GOP in another election year. But this has been accompanied recently by a sustained attack from the corporate media and now the right wing blogs and punditocracy against the center-left blogs, by branding us as angry extremists that the Democratic Party needs to stay away from. There is a method to the GOP’s madness here, in that the GOP is trying to marginalize the center-left blogosphere and separate the power of the netroots from the usual crew of risk adverse Beltway Democrats, and it is working……
Digby’s point was that the reason why voters haven’t thrown more support to Democrats is because of precisely a situation like this: voters have no idea what the hell the party stands for anymore, and would rather see us take a stand on a clear cut issue of constitutional liberties and executive branch oversight and lose, than roll over and say “me too, Mr. President” once again. Digby of course is correct, and this mirrors what we have been saying for several years here as well. But even though Digby is correct, we are deluding ourselves that any of this will happen anytime soon.
He concludes: “Let it go. Waging war on our own Senators and representatives between now and November is just what the GOP wants.”
Sorry, but this issue is too important to let it go. We need to pursue this issue, but do it without waging war on our own representatives. It isn’t a either or choice here.
Capitulation is what the GOP wants, and I’m not ready to oblige.
Great post as usual, Glenn, but I do think it's not a great idea to use "homoerotic" as an implicit pejorative, as you do here. There's a lot of truth in the psychoanalytic argument that what appeals to Bush followers about their Leader is his perceived "masculinity," and that there is a cult of masculinity here that is fascistic in nature. But the blogosphere is now filled with people talking about the homoeroticism of people like Matthews as a means to mock or critique them. Dangerous ground on which to take our stand, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteLee's comment is a perfect example of what I'm talking about... there's a difference between homoeroticism (or between cowboys in love, for that matter) and the sort of creepy, fascistic, sado-masochistic worship of strong masculinie leadership that the Bush-right displays. We should try to keep that in mind or else we play into the hands of the gay-bashers.
ReplyDeleteBut the blogosphere is now filled with people talking about the homoeroticism of people like Matthews as a means to mock or critique them. Dangerous ground on which to take our stand, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteI understand the sentiment behind this comment - I've made this same argument myself with regard to, for instance, the tawdry, sexualized attacks on people like Andrew Sullivan, or even Jeff Gannon, and pretty much any other gay person who has deviated from some political orthodoxy and consequently has their sexual orientation used as a tool to mock or punish them (I don't want to delve into the Gannon controversy - it's much more complicated than the one issue I just raised, but there was unquestionably (at least in my view) a homophobic component to some of the ridicule).
But with regard to my use of the term "homoerotic" here, I don't actually agree with the critque for one simple reason: I'm using the term "homoerotic" descriptively, and not even implicitly in a pejorative sense.
It's not exactly a revelation that weak males who perceive themselves as lacking in masculine attributes of strength or courage will admire and be drawn to any movement or figure which allows them to find a source for feeling powerful, and there is clearly a homoerotic component to that process. There's nothing perjorative about describing that dynamic as what it is.
The problem in a nutshell.
ReplyDeleteDems unwillingness to fight the current executive power-grab is what enables Repubs to paint them as unwilling to fight terrorists.
Thank you for tearing apart the "political theatre" aspect of it. What they say is always Pavlovian, image manipulation by Minitrue - and usually designed to get them out of *this* trouble without connection to the bigger picture, because they know no one in the media will call them on it, and the rest of us have heretofore not had the power to do so effectively. Someone elsewhere described it in a comment as being like their nephew who tried to blame the toys on the floor on their father, knowing that they were going to get in trouble, but not quite aware enough of the wider world to realize how implausible the idea that Dad had been playing with the dinosaurs and left them all over the rug would be to Mom.
ReplyDeleteI remain astonished at how many people who are supposedly part of the Opposition party here, continue to take the GOP's words at face value, as well as to assume and more than that, *insist* on the best possible explanation for anything they do. "But really, it probably WAS just an accident, they said so themselves that it could happen to anyone, so let's not all be mean and stoop to their level by obsessing on this, it's unseemly!"
"Compulsive Niceness" as a pathology needs some dissection, too.
Let me just elaborate on my previous comment to say where I think Steve Soto ( whose opinion I respect) gets it wrong.
ReplyDeleteHe says, “So as a result, there will be no frontal challenge to Bush on the NSA issue this year because the Capitol Hill leadership has decided to play it safe and try and gain parity this fall in both houses by running a cautious and yes, conservative campaign that doesn’t get caught flat-footed on national security again like they did in 2002.”
What Steve is doing is letting Rove frame this issue as “national security” and since that is Bush’s strong point, the Democrats lose.
But if you frame the issue as that of “breaking the law” and begin to question just what the limits of presidential power are (as Byrd did in his speech) then Bush can’t play the macho card and is on the defensive in regard to breaking the law.
So, this is not about sticking it to Bush on “national security” which Steve calls “Karl’s club” – it is about taking away “Karl’s club” by talking about the rule of law and what distinguishes this country from an Autocracy.
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteI understand what you're saying, and I wasn't intending to single out your post--I was moved finally to comment about this while reading your blog because I respect it more than most. But reading Digby's post again (and I love Digby's blog too), I think it's undeniable that there's a discourse on the left about this entire issue that tries to use homoeroticism against the right. Now, I can understand why one would do this: reducing the right's beliefs to repressed homosexuality uses their own homophobia against them. But clearly part of this, too, is that calling anyone a homosexual is, in our culture, a way of dismissing them in absolute terms. There's just something unsettling about reading "sad, needy homoerotic reverence," where "homoerotic" at least seems to be equated with "sad" and "needy"--not that this is strictly what you were saying, and obviously there can be sad and needy homoeroticism just as there can be sad and needy heteroeroticism. It's more complicated than that. Digby's post was not his best hour, I think: he takes Matthews to task for his ridiculous comments about Brokeback Mountain, but then proceeds to say, essentially, "hey, you're gay too! haha!" The entire post is then made up of a string of gay jokes and sexual innuendo. It's not that I think this line of leftist discourse grows out of leftist homophobia (though surely that exists, but equally surely the homophobia that matters in this country is on the right). Rather, it implicitly accepts homophobia (of the right) because, pragmatically, it's a good tool with which to mock the right. I think it's a dangerous road to go down for the left. Again, that's not to say that we shouldn't analyze the sexual politics of Bush-adulation. But simply reducing those politics to elementary school humor of the "I know you are but what am I?" variety doesn't help.
Anyway, I know this wasn't what your original post was about--and the point of that post is excellent as always. I just think it's worth considering. On the left, sometimes gender and sexual politics get thrown overboard (and we are often urged to throw them overboard) in the name of supposedly more "real" politics.
Glenn Greenwald writes:
ReplyDeletePeople like Gedalyia who see George Bush as a figure of phallic greatness live in a fantasy world where the "vast majority" of people support Bush's policies and actions, and criticizing the Leader's actions -- especially those designed to heroically protect us -- will therefore lead to certain electoral defeat, even though every available fact demonstrates that the opposite is true.
I'm not sure if the bizarre term "phallic greatness" is one of derision or praise, but given that Glenn's latest exhausting entry uses penis imagery as its central theme, I'll assume he is not paying me (or the others he complains about) a complement.
Be that as it may, Glenn still insists ("every available fact"??) that the public (based on a few polls he decides to hightlight) is ready for an all-out attack on Bush's war policy from the left. Yet, none of the Democratic Party leadership is willing to take his advice.
Why is this?
The reason is, of course, that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. That is, the real mood of the nation, and I suspect this is true in 80-90% of the 435 congressional districts, is that we are more than comfortable surrendering some of our civil rights in order to protect ourselves from those nice, peace-loving Muslim masses we see on our TV screens each night screaming in mad rage over the publication of a few cartoons in a Danish newspaper.
If the polls Glenn cites truly reflected public opinion, the Democrats would be falling all over themselves to attack the president's policy. In fact, the opposite is occurring. The Democratic Party leadership is bending over backwards to accomodate the president. None of the leaders has called for his impeachment over this supposed "illegal" action, and none of the Democratic Party establishment is willing to take on the president in the court of public opinion.
So, all bluster and bombast (and charges of "homoerotism") notwithstanding, I'm confident given there is no credible alternative to the leadership of George Bush and his policies (such are the consequences of "phallic greatness," I suppose), and as such, the Republican prospects for electoral success in November, already solid, would only be enhanced of the Democrats take Greenwald's advice and attack the president from the left.
Thank you for trying to paint a clear picture of what is at stake here.
ReplyDeleteThe privileged, who want us to know that they now run the country, regard the rule of law as a tool to protect their wealth and privileges from those who question whether they deserve it. Otherwise, when the law interferes with an inclination to drive or shoot drunk, steal an election, start a war, or bankrupt the country, the law becomes an unreasonable burden. When they are allowed to get away with ignoring the laws they don't like, they keep what they steal and their confidence grows.
We all (most of us not among the privileged) need to remain mindful that the law is just about our only nonviolent means of saying no to destructive behavior. Laws are passed in response to wrongdoing: New forms of misbehavior summon new laws into existence. Thus, the trivial requirements of FISA or the Geneva Convention mark a threshold--not the outside limits of behavior. If you respect the law and your fellow human beings, you respect that threshold because you understand the hazards of settling these issues outside the law. You understand that the same rules that interfere with your desire to harm me constrain anything scary that might be slinking around in my brain.
The rule of law matters, because it puts boundaries on discourse that might otherwise get out of hand. The consequences here in the United States are outrageous. The consequences in, say, Iraq, Sudan, and DRC are horrifying.
I refer to the Bush-loving phenomenom as a "non-sexual crush/infatuation" not unlike my own boyhood adulation of Brett Favre.
ReplyDelete>Democrats take Greenwald's advice and attack the president from the left.<
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing "Leftist" about limiting government power and preserving freedom.
Z writes: Anyway, I know this wasn't what your original post was about--and the point of that post is excellent as always. I just think it's worth considering. On the left, sometimes gender and sexual politics get thrown overboard (and we are often urged to throw them overboard) in the name of supposedly more "real" politics.
ReplyDeleteI understand your point, and to some extent agree that the left occasionally does this. (Not on the left or right myself, but I have observed some of this.)
But that said, as I read Glenn's discussion of the phallic, homoerotic attractions on the part of some males wrt George Bush, my head just nodded along. As a purely descriptive matter, I've seen straight, male Bush supporters go off into rhapsodies of adulation for the perceived strength and perfection in Bush's foreign policy resolve, all of which strikes me as not dissimilar from the way that I, as a straight female, respond to strong males. Even on an intellectual basis, there can be a certain erotic attraction when I read forceful, highly intelligent men -- and I prefer male authors for that reason.
But I am self-aware enough to know this, and make an effort not to refuse female authors just becasue of this psycho-sexual thing I have (which manifests in many ways in many women). And I think a similar dynamic occurs with straight men who are less than macho themselves, when they perceive "virile" language and postures in male public figures.
Great,
ReplyDeleteNow Glenn has Bushphobia.
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteAnother very cogent piece, but I have a question because I'm confused. It seems that the Dems don't really have the stomach to fight this, and it appears the Republicans are going to sabotage any congressional investigation. Even George Will can be marginalized like Bob Barr if he gets too uppity for these people. I apologize if I read your post too fast and just didn't get it, but can you explain where the traction is going to come from to keep this going?
An aside here: Five years of BushCo and general media complacency have created a kind of "real" and "unreal" world much like life in a totalitarian country. Obviously, we're not that extreme, but here's my point: In the real world, people don't like what BushCo has done and Bush is unpopular. But in the "unreal" world of Washington and the national news media, nothing ever really touches him. The pundit pretend he's a dynamic and popular president, and the Democrats (as Steve Soto noted) listen to their consultants and roll over. Thus, how does one overcome that in the short run?
Anyway, thanks again for your great posts. In many ways I do feel like we live in a structured society with state-owned media, and you and other blogs are the only ones telling the truth. At least the Republicans haven't shut this avenue down yet.
To those who buy into and perpetuate the myth of George Bush as courageous, macho cowboy who relates so well to the everyman, I like to point out that he was Head Cheerleader at Exeter.
ReplyDeleteHead Cheerleader at Exeter. That pretty much sums up how much George Bush has in common with you, me and Joe Sixpack.
I've often wondered whether the $1.4 billion Bush spent on advertising over the last couple of years included Viagra packets to the believers. Uphill battle to overcome that kind of "power" with peeps of truth.
ReplyDeleteBush is viewed a strong leader because he has responded to hatred, brutality and depravity with hatred, brutality and depravity on an even larger scale. After 9/11 a lot of Americans, whether they will admit it or not, wanted to see a lot of dead Arabs and didn't particularly care which Arabs because, as Ann would say, all them rag-heads are the same and they are all terrists anyway. This is strong leadership in the same sense as someone who incites an angry mob to violence and targets that violence based on their own hatred or to settle a personal score. In that kind of situation any rational argument sounds weak by comparison, if it's heard at all.
ReplyDeleteReal strength is demonstrated when someone is willing to stand their ground when the odds are against them because it's the right thing to do. It is the Democrats failure to take a stand on anything that makes them seem weak. They have conceded far too many legitimate issues to bluster and talking points, which gives the Republicans every reason to be confident they will again. They are like a prosecutor who repeatedly brings charges against the same (guilty) defendant, then drops them when the defendant doesn't give up and plead guilty after the opening argument. It won't take long before the defense team realizes all they have to do to win is show up, and it won't be long before the judge not only dismisses with prejudice but cites the prosecutor with contempt for wasting the court's time. Every time the Democrats concede before the fight is over they raise the bar that much higher, and I'm afraid it might be nigh insurmountable now.
Ok, and as for for the real Republican men and women who prefer the constitition to the macho myth of the Bush administration...
ReplyDeleteWhat groups do they belong to, and what blogs do they write? And can we co-ordinate campaigns so that the committee hears from real, non-monarchist American small-d democrats of both parties?
Adina, one such blog would be QandO. The fellows there all voted for Bush, but have increasingly been (very) crtical, on both the NSA issue, as well as info Jon Henke has pushed regarding who is actually in Gitmo, how they got there, and the false things the Bush Admin has said about all that.
ReplyDeleteThey have taken some crap from some of their regulars for all this, even being told they are turning into Kos. (Not remotely a compliment in that crowd.)
Somebody needs to erect a bronze statue of Rep. John Conyers in Washington. The guy has been doing incredible work during the Reign of Bush. Nobody has been more staunch in their opposition to what this wretched administration is doing. Bravo Conyers !
ReplyDeleteGlenn-
ReplyDeleteIt's nice, as you highlighted in the Post text, that there's recognition of bipartisan concern over the program's illegality.
Unfortunately that gets trumped by something else, something bigger in the public mind, that the administration is counting on heavily: necessity.
[The adminstration has] strongly defended the program as both lawful and necessary...but many legal scholars and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have raised doubts about the program's legality.
Has no one raised doubts about its necessity?
WaPo seems comfortable leaving that impression...
...voters have no idea what the hell the [Democratic] party stands for anymore,
ReplyDeleteNot standing for the President violating the law, publicly admitting violations of the law, basking in admiration because he broke the law, and promising to break the law again.
If Bush is right, about his acts and his understanding of powers of the executive, then his own party should take steps to impeach him.
The failure of the House to impeach, or the Senate to convict, would end the issue once and for all.
It's the shortest path to vindication. You could do it in six weeks.
And if the Republicans don't do it, then the Democrats should.
And if the Democrats don't, it's fair to ask 'why?'
And if the Republicans won't let the Democrats begin the process, it is then fair to ask 'why?'
...the Republican prospects for electoral success in November, already solid, would only be enhanced of the Democrats take Greenwald's advice and attack the president from the left.
ReplyDeleteShort of revisiting some of the more hair-raising episodes of the 1930's, how the hell do you attack the president from the right?
Recently, a small wasp was discovered that parasitized cockroaches by injecting a toxin into a very specific spot in the victims' brains. The effect was not to kill the cockroach but to render it a zombie, unable to willfully control its movements. The wasp then rode the back of the cockroach and steered it by maneuvering the victim's antennae.
ReplyDeleteThe analogy, if it needs to be pointed out is:
wasp = Karl Rove
cockroach = compliant congresspeople of both parties
How much we can learn by a close study of nature!
Oh, man. I don't know if you intend it or not, but I always end up laughing from the belly when I read your stuff. Just lines like It is as physically unpleasant as it is important to understand, when talking about the dynamic that glues insecure men to Bush was downright hilarious. And very insightful. I really enjoyed that first part of the post very much. The Cheney stuff was good, too, but nothing seems to infuriate me like hearing people praise a disgusting façade of a man like Bush. So undeserved, so appalling, so frightening, so saddening. Thanks for spotlighting what little there is there to admire.
ReplyDeleteGlen,
ReplyDeleteGet your facts straight. Cheney said he first met Harry, 30 some years ago ON A HUNTING trip with President Ford, in Colorado I believe.
Everything is a conspiracy and lie to you nut cases. Isn't it depressing to live your life in such a highly paranoid state of delusion? No wonder Republicans poll as significantly more happy and satisfied with life than do democrats.
Most people here just need to get a life, and quit assuming everyone else is the same kind of lying duplicitous conspirators that they know in their hearts to be themselves.
Says the "Dog"
It saddens me greatly, Glenn, that the cult of Bush can exist in this day and age. I see little difference between the rabid shoutfests Bush apologists, largely intolerant hypocrites, engage in, and the behaviour of North Korean Communist party kapos in the name of their own 'Dear Leader'. Summer 2004 in NYC clearly demonstrated that people in the U.S. can also be falsely imprisoned on trumped up charges, no doubt rooted in a hatred of their personal, constitutionally protected, political beliefs.
ReplyDeleteThe arrests made at the protest attended by Cindy Sheehan show more evidence of the gross abuse of authority Bush cult members engage in - and the revelations about NYC police performing as agent provocateurs should scare every private citizen out of the inactive slumber that too many seem to find comfort in.
Keep at it Glenn, you are making a difference for the better one post at a time, and I really love to read your work. Kudos to you!
Glen,
ReplyDeleteCornering the market on the Cindy Sheehan crowd does not a career in journalism make.
Just a thought.
Says the "Dog"
phd9:
ReplyDeleteDemocrats take Greenwald's advice and attack the president from the left.
"There is nothing "Leftist" about limiting government power and preserving freedom."
Here you see gedalyia once again proving Glenn's point. It is "leftist" if it is against the President. Period.
Great post, Glenn with many good points. To it I would add the following observation. I'm a Southerner. For years I have watched cognitive dissonance at work among the white, racist in my own family and community at large. They preach the love of God and neighbor out of one side of their mouths and spout racist comments and enact racist based laws out of the other. This same dynamic is a work with the Bush loyalists in this respect.
ReplyDeleteA few days ago, Al Gore gave a speech in Saudia Arabia wherein he noted overreaction against the Arab/Muslim community in the US following 9/11. In essence, Gore apologized for the discrimination and indeed mistreatment of Muslims; i.e. detainees, etc. Right wing media has called this treasonous. And why? "Because we are at war" and Gore "apologized" to the enemy.
Question: Are we "at war" against Saudia Arabia? Are we "at war" against all people who are Muslims? This meme is racist-based and its an example of extreme cognitive dissonance. I mean really, how can you be for building democracy and freedom in the Middle East while at the same time talk of all Muslims as our wartime enemies?
The reason is, of course, that the proof of the pudding is in the eating. That is, the real mood of the nation, and I suspect this is true in 80-90% of the 435 congressional districts,
ReplyDeleteLink please. Suspicions =/= facts.
is that we are more than comfortable surrendering some of our civil rights in order to protect ourselves from those nice, peace-loving Muslim masses we see on our TV screens each night screaming in mad rage over the publication of a few cartoons in a Danish newspaper.
Speak for yourself, you snivelling coward. Surely this is the very definition of 'sad and needy'?
Diagnosis: Too much pudding, too much TV.
Dog,
ReplyDeleteJust a thought...
If you're going to rely on propaganda outlets for your information, at least try and read the information correctly.
From the Fox News Transcript of the Cheney interview with Brit Hume.
HUME: How long have you known him?
CHENEY: I first met him in Vail, Colorado, when I worked for Gerry Ford about 30 years ago, and it's the first time I'd ever hunted with him.
HUME: Would you describe him as a close friend? Friendly acquaintance?
CHENEY: An acquaintance.
Sounds like Cheney thinks he's an acquaintance and never hunted with him before to me.
I think you need to get your facts straight.
Celo writes: "There is nothing "Leftist" about limiting government power and preserving freedom."
ReplyDeleteAmen. Nor about insisting on the rule of law. Any "right" that holds otherwise is simply not moored to the Founders' views and the constitional order they bequeathed us.
Simply spewing that something is "leftist" does not make it so. Obviously the left has an interest in tarring Bush on civil liberties and rule of law issues -- but Bush has given them that. I'm open to the idea that there might be less enthusiam for such arguments in those quarters if an approved Democrat sat in the Oval Office.
But it doesn't matter; if the left (whoever that might be thought to encompass) is correct in its crticisms of Bush on the NSA matter, it just is.
...we are more than comfortable surrendering some of our civil rights in order to protect ourselves...
ReplyDeleteThat certainly wins the White Feather of Cowardice award.
Here's where it leads us:
“Fourth Amendment freedoms … I protest, are not mere second-class rights but belong in the catalog of indispensable freedoms. Among deprivations of rights, none is so effective in cowing a population, crushing the spirit of the individual and putting terror in every heart. Uncontrolled search and seizure is one of the first and most effective weapons in the arsenal of every arbitrary government. And one need only briefly to have dwelt and worked among a people possessed of many admirable qualities but deprived of these rights [—i.e., the German people just after their years under Hitler—] to know that the human personality deteriorates and dignity and self-reliance disappear where homes, persons and possessions are subject at any hour to unheralded search and seizure by the police.” 338 U.S. 160, 180-81 (Jackson, J., joined by Frankfurter and Murphy, JJ., dissenting). In: John Q. Barrett: "Deep Throat," Justice Jackson and Suicide Pacts.
Also keep in mind how often the administration releases details of Bush's exercise program, thus contributing to the he-man image. My brother, a 6'4", 200lb, 25 year-old Army Intelligence Sergeant in peak physical condition, sincerely believes that our 60 year-old President would kick his ass in a fight. It's insane.
ReplyDeleteJust a quick comment to clear the rather disturbing fantasy out there amongst the Bush worshipers about his "package" as seen whilst strutting around on the carrier back when the mission was accomplished...
ReplyDeleteI wore a flightsuit and parachute in an ejection seat for some 7+ years in the USAF (B-52s). The deal is the same whether one is a fighter jock or bomber crew or even a limp-dick president on a carrier (and even applies to women): If you wear a flightsuit with a parachute with the leg straps connected and snug, you will more often than not appear to have a "bulge" in the crotch. It is simply due to the snug belts of the parachute forcing a bunch-up of flightsuit material at the crotch. There is some "swing room" in the suit afterall, they are not crotch-tight.
Bush has no more of a package than any of the women I went through Nav school with who also got to wear the flightsuit plus parachute. Under those conditions, everyone has a "package" whether you really do or not. Bush is clearly of the latter class.
"3 million Arabs in the United States!?" Will someone tell Gedalyia that the majority of those are Lebanese or Syrian Americans who have been here for three generations or more? Or does he really think he needs to be protected from Marlo Thomas, Shannon Elizabeth and Doug Flutie?
ReplyDelete"Short of revisiting some of the more hair-raising episodes of the 1930's, how the hell do you attack the president from the right?"
ReplyDeleteBy pointing out that fiscal responsibilty and freedom from government intrusion into personal affairs are CONSERVATIVE values and that the actions of this administation fly in the face of everything that real conservatives should hold dear.
You are starting to get a little scary, Glenn. How could one person be so brilliant, write so well, be so insightful, and inspire the troops so persuasively, all at the same time?
ReplyDeleteIt's mystifying, but keep it up! Good thing you're an optimist, because every time I feel all is lost, you change my mind.
gedaliya said: If the polls Glenn cites truly reflected public opinion, the Democrats would be falling all over themselves to attack the president's policy. In fact, the opposite is occurring. The Democratic Party leadership is bending over backwards to accomodate the president. None of the leaders has called for his impeachment over this supposed "illegal" action, and none of the Democratic Party establishment is willing to take on the president in the court of public opinion.
ReplyDeleteWith logic like this, who needs emotion?
Think about it this way: "If the wife was truly being abused, she would have already gone to the police or to a shelter. In fact, the opposite is occuring. Therefore, she must not really be a victim of abuse."
Elected Democrats are not acting on this, not because they believe Bush is correct, rather it's because they have bought into the meme that they will fail, regardless of the attempt, the clear arguments, or even the outcome. They have been playing a losing game of perception for decades and, like the Bengals, need to win a few in the pre-season before they can gain the confidence to really attend to this matter in the way they should. Or to maintain the metaphor, maybe what they need is outside counseling. Maybe from us?
"Or does he really think he needs to be protected from Marlo Thomas, Shannon Elizabeth and Doug Flutie?"
ReplyDeleteLOL!
I am from Missouri, where former Atty General famously lost to a dead man in a senate election. Finding out that there is a political practice by the White House that even Ashcroft won't go along with, is eye opening. Both because it idicates how fare out of line the White House is, and also because I may have to reconsider Ashcroft -- perhaps if Ashcroft ever runs against a dead guy again I will think twice before voting for the dead guy.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Z's interesting post, I personally see no slight or damage done in using the homoerotic analogy. It's not a slight to homoeroticism. It's merely identifying one of the reasons why people respond to the cultivated, but false "macho" image of Bush, in lieu of rationally examining his policies.
ReplyDeleteBush, Cheney and Rove--especially Rove--are the same breed of person you describe: perpetually adolescent boys, obsessed with power, guns and revenge.
ReplyDeleteTrolls like "the Dog" have a genius for unwitting self-parody that never ceases to amaze.
ReplyDeleteDog, don't go changin', you're hilarious.
Latest Gallup Poll: "Forty-seven percent believe the Bush administration was right in wiretapping the telephone conversations without getting a court order, while 50% say it was wrong to do so."
ReplyDeleteAlso, more people think Bushco broke the law than didn't.
But a quarter of Democrats think it is right and legal!
[Posted 2/16/2006 11:27 AM Updated 2/16/2006 11:52 AM]
ReplyDeletePatriot Act moves ahead despite opposition
"WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate overwhelmingly rejected an effort Thursday to block renewing the Patriot Act, the 2001 law passed weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks to help the government hunt down terrorists.
The 96-3 vote was no suprise to Sen. Russell Feingold, the Wisconsin Democrat who was the lone senator to oppose the law four and a half years ago and is the chief obstacle to extending 16 provisions now due to expire March 10.
Feingold, who is exploring seeking his party's presidential nomination in 2008, plans to make the Senate spend several more days on the bill and complained that Majority Leader Bill Frist had used procedural maneuvers to prevent him from trying to amend the bill.
'We still have not addressed some of the most significant problems with the Patriot Act,' Feingold said.
Only Sens. Jim Jeffords, I-Vt., and Robert C. Byrd, R-W.Va., supported Feingold on Thursday's vote.."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-02-16-patriot-act_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA
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Dear Benjamin Franklin:
I'm sorry. We weren't able to keep the Republic you brave patriots created for us. Your concerns were well placed. We became a country of political FACTIONS, titled of late "Democratic" (in a mockery of Jefferson's original party construct), and "Republican" (in a travesty of Lincoln's original party construct) -- just as so many of the Founders feared. It's over.
We have lost the Republic. Our federal government is an unchecked, out of control, Top Secret MONSTER. Its Executive Branch executes the crimes, and its Legislative Branch enables the crimes and covers them up, in return for favors paid.
Russ Feingold, Patriot: Thank you for defending me to the bitter end. Jim Jeffords, Patriot: Thank you for standing with him. You do Vermont proud. Bobby Byrd (D!), Patriot: Thank you for trying this time.
The only way out now, it appears, is complete economic collapse, which will take out the foundation stones holding up the criminal political Factions: Corporate and Political PAC bundles of cash. These are the building blocks of American political tyranny: PAC CASH. Votes and voters are nothing but window dressing to conceal the means and methods of tyranny. If and when the money's really all gone, the people may have a chance to reclaim and restore the Republic. But until that day, We, the People, are nothing but powerless subjects and pawns.
I'm sorry, Ben. I'm sorry, Union Soldiers who gave your LIVES to keep this country united as one. The American God MONEY defeated democracy. And it's going to get a lot worse, before there's any chance of it getting better. Batten down the hatches, Americans. We are on our own, against a violent domestic threat that pretends to be our federal government. A threat which only the citizens will be able to overcome -- should we ever decide we'd like to try to live free, and self-govern in the way that our Founders intended.
”Everything is a conspiracy and lie to you nut cases. Isn't it depressing to live your life in such a highly paranoid state of delusion? No wonder Republicans poll as significantly more happy and satisfied with life than do democrats.” –So says Dog
ReplyDeleteLet’s look beyond, for a moment, how funny your ridiculously baseless comments are, and try to consider what your point is. Your (hopefully) satirical, third person (So Says…) tirades, remind me of the little neutered yip-yip Chihuahua type dogs who bluster boisterously with the little raised hair on their back, completely oblivious to their lack of size or strength. You throw up straw man “conspiracy” accusations because you can’t take on the facts as stated.
Just a little hint about your unqualified psychoanalytical “happy Republican” observation… It is well known that people with no conscience or no intellect can be amazingly euphoric. Ignorance is bliss and sociopaths seldom regret their moral transgressions.
Another great post Glenn,
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In response to Brit Hume's interview of Cheney, it was nice to see Jack Cafferty on CNN put Fox "News" in its place.
ReplyDeleteGlenn,
ReplyDeleteAmazing, there has been no proof released, no facts given, but only that the administration has not denied the fact that the program existed & have only commented on classified portions of a program that were illegally leaked - a year after the program’s existence was learned about & right before ’06 mid-term elections. Yet you have dropped all pretence of objectivity by declaring it a “scandal” & when it is nothing more than another Democratic, politically fueled fishing expedition, that the left & you hope will show misdoings. Arguments about the legality of the program may or may not have panned out since no courts have ruled, the SJC hasn’t finished its hearings or much less held them, the administration has yet to provide their complete defense, but you have tried & convicted them already. The only “chest thumping” is yours as you throw accusations, w/o proof, & try to convict an administration which you assume is guilty beforehand. You belittle those that say “give us proof” or that question the release of information in the first place, as mindless cultists. You accuse us of dropping all objectivity & blindly following the President in light of what proof again? Where is your objectivity by assuming only guilt? When have I not said that the matter should be investigated, but as I suggested after the upcoming elections so it cannot be used further as a mere political device to defame or dethrone. If there was a violation, doesn’t the timing of the release of information, the reaction of the left, belittle or weaken any legitimate questions raised? The only sense of anything sexual is the joyful glee shown by you & your followers who are assured of the outcome well before the process has even started.
Yep, you sure have proven your point. While the rest of those that support your unsubstantiated actualizations will agree, I can’t help but notice that most of them, just like you, already have assumed guilt before innocence. That they declare w/ joyous reverberation that the Constitution has been violated, civil rights trampled & that finally, yes finally, you have nailed that dirty, cheating, lying bastard W. You your self have pointed out the poll numbers of Bush & since when have poll numbers indicated someone’s guilt or innocence? Why even bother to hold the hearings, when you already know the outcome? What does the American public’s view of the War in Iraq have to do w/ the Constitutionality of the Executive Branch’s control or use of intelligence? You have only shown that the administration is possibly politically vulnerable & that by using politically charged & the politically timed released of classified information – which has hurt national security & affected our means of defending ourselves – that this is nothing but another shrill political attack & not the noble defense of the Constitution you claim. The least you could do is drop your mocked concern for the legal questions of the program & finally admit that this is about winning elections for the Democrats & getting back at the Bush Administration. While I will wait for the other branches to actually determine guilt or innocence, you have had your “show trial” in your own personal court that would even make good ole’ Uncle Joe jealous.
Bush may or may not have over-stepped legal bounds, it has yet been proven or judged through the appropriate Constitutional devices legally allowed. While I will admit that that kind of determination makes a great defense attorney or prosecutor, it shows a total lack of objectivity or respect for the law. Play up to your side & denounce the other or those that at least want this issue to be non-political & keep your fingers crossed that this actually produces something more than the conjecture it has already provided. But looking over the last 5 years, I think that we can expect that it will only prove to be another in a long list of half-assed Democratic attempts to discredit an administration that has whipped their butts in election after election. The sad part is that this could have been something that would have had a reverberation that defined the Executive Branch, changed the way our government works or at the very least, clarified very important standards to be held. In reality, it has only weakened our defenses, given hope to our enemies & possibly given voice to the worse that is left of the Democratic Party.
With a h/t to Jon at QandO, more evidence of Glenn's thesis regarding what it takes to be defined out of the conservative movement. Glenn in his post describes George Will as a conservative who is critical of Bush's "monarchical" assumption of power -- I and virtually everyone had heretofore thought the Reagan-loving Will to be conservative. But no, Captain Ed is angry with Will for criticizing Bush on the NSA program's violation of FISA and other matters, and the Captain says Will is no true conservative. He is now a "centrist."
ReplyDelete...you have dropped all pretence of objectivity by declaring it a “scandal” & when it is nothing more than another D--
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I don't have the time this morning to post extensively on the issues I want to post about
ReplyDeleteWow, well I must not have access to enough bandwidth for your comments ande thoughts on the issues when you do have time...
But no, Captain Ed is angry with Will for criticizing Bush on the NSA program's violation of FISA and other matters, and the Captain says Will is no true conservative. He is now a "centrist."
ReplyDeleteIt's that bow tie. Tucker's next.
someone was a little cranky this morning
ReplyDeleteLet's see now Glenn has inspired his acolytes:
ReplyDeleteBush supporters are obsessed with his "phallic greatness." Some have "homoerotic" thoughts about his macho foreign policy. We have "daddy complexes." We are "racists," and "hypocrites," who react to Rovian stimuli with a "Pavlovian" response.
We are not only "authoritarian cultists," but are members of a "cult of masculinity" that (apparently) needs free viagra to adequately perform.
We are fascistic gay bashers (I'm not sure how this comports with our homoerotic impulses, but I'm working on it), who are traitors and "yellow-dumbs."
We are "duplicitous conspirators." We need counseling.
I could go on.
I must admit to a sense of wonder how anyone can read these responses without bursting out laughing. The American electorate isn't going to pay attention to anyone possessed with such bizarre and loony views of their political opponents.
Do you folks (you know who you are) actually read what you write?
pmain,
ReplyDeleteAmazing, there has been no proof released, no facts given....Yet you have dropped all pretence of objectivity by declaring it a "scandal" [...]
I would think in most circumstances that the lack of any rebuttal of substance against claims of abuse of power would qualify something as a "scandal."
Arguments about the legality of the program may or may not have panned out since no courts have ruled....
And part of the issue here is that no courts have been privvy to this program for over four years. And it looks as though much arm twisting is currently underway to scuttle any investigation by the legislative branch. That in itself smacks of coverup, which alone usually defines something as a scandal. At least historically.
I suggested after the upcoming elections so it cannot be used further as a mere political device to defame or dethrone....
While I know nothing about you, I assume you held the same view in support of holding off on Clinton's impeachment hearings. And I have to say, your use of the term "dethrone" is somewhat telling, though I could be reading too much into it.
I can’t help but notice that most of them, just like you, already have assumed guilt before innocence.
And again, I assume you extend this same loyalty to our laws and constitutional methods for those being detained at Guantanamo Bay and other places, the vast majority of whom are likely innocent victims (based on actual studies), and who have not had any due process whatsoever.
Any story such as this will get a lot of discussion of possibilities, probabilities, and larger issues at hand by an informed citizenry. There has been no trial here on this site, merely valid questions yet to be answered, and some extrapolation based on known facts. The rest is, as you say, up to the other branches to determine. But if you would actually like to see the other branches perform their constitutional duties, you may want to contact your legislators and demand a full investigation, since it looks as though there has been some backsliding in that respect. I'm sure you will do so for the love of your country and the respect you have for our system of government.
Amazing, there has been no proof released, no facts given, but only that the administration has not denied the fact that the program existed & have only commented on classified portions of a program that were illegally leaked - a year after the program’s existence was learned about & right before ’06 mid-term elections.
ReplyDeleteWhat's really amazing is that despite the shadowy, gigantic survellience operation on U.S. citizens that has been uncovered, you don't think it's scandalous.
So much for conservatism. You guys used to worry about black fucking helicopters, but the existence of a huge executive branch spying operation doesn't give you the slightest pause. CULT.
Good god, man.
ReplyDeleteWonderful stuff.
As I read on another site you are a rising star in the lefty blog arena.
Watch your back.
But I think you can do that.
Glen,thanks for your work, it is excellent.
ReplyDeleteIt is good to flush out radicals like gedalaya and pmain. Once they start talking anyone can see how brainwashed and pathetic they are, endless tape loops that run day after day, intoning neocon propaganda.
Impeach Bush
"Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the
ReplyDeletecomprehension of the weak; and that it is doing God's service when it is
violating all his laws."
-John Adams, 2nd US president (1735-1826)
”You have only shown that the administration is possibly politically vulnerable & that by using politically charged & the politically timed released of classified information – which has hurt national security & affected our means of defending ourselves …
ReplyDeleteBut looking over the last 5 years, I think that we can expect that it will only prove to be another in a long list of half-assed Democratic attempts to discredit an administration that has whipped their butts in election after election…” by Pmain
After all the longwinded posturing of your incessant rant, you have only highlighted your own hypocrisy. You accuse Glenn of being the Judge, Jury and Executioner (which he has not displayed by showing facts and opining), but you seem to be sure that the “leakers” of “classified” information are guilty of breaking laws tantamount to high treason. Where is the trial that had convicted these informers? What statutes are the one’s you claim they broke? Before you assemble the firing line, I urge you to please consider that the people who revealed this program may be patriots who are protected under whistleblower statutes, if it turns out they were uncovering illegal actions. But you seem to be sure that the illegality is just as prominent for the “leakers” as you are sure that Glenn’s perception of illegality of the Administration is absolute. It’s all conjecture on your part. So don’t cry “objectivity” when you can see beyond the “subjective” nose on your face.
Also, please point out the specific areas which “has hurt national security & affected our means of defending ourselves” as you claim. Obviously you have more knowledge on the subject than even the SJC. I know it must be a huge surprise to our enemies that the NSA conducts wiretaps. Or is it the fact that we are warrantlessly tapping our own citizens that has left us vulnerable to protecting ourselves?
You see, wiretapping can be done on U.S. citizens with proper court oversight, and since the warrants are secret, the terrorists wouldn’t know if we were tapping other sides of domestic communications anyway. Therein lies the problem with a warrantless wiretapping program. There is no good excuse to do it.
I will concede your point about half-assed Democratic attempts to do basically anything against this Administration’s malfeasance. That is exactly why Glenn is continually bringing these issues to the fore… so the hapless herd of Democratic lawmakers will get off the other half of their ass and get it done.
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This just happened: Court Orders Justice Department to Release NSA Surveillance Documents in a lawsuit brought in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the Electronic Privacy Information Center. A federal judge has ordered the DoJ to produce documents related to the Bush Administration's warrantless surveillance program by March 8.
ReplyDeleteQuoting the EPIC's site, which in turn is quoting the judge's order:
"President Bush has invited meaningful debate about the warrantless surveillance program," U.S. District Judge Henry H. Kennedy wrote. "That can only occur if DOJ processes [EPIC's] FOIA requests in a timely fashion and releases the information sought."
I guess they are all a bunch of leftists at the EPIC. But this should be very good news. I expect more legal wrangling, however, after the list of documents refused to be produced in the name of national security, and/or that are redacted, are produced.
You guys used to worry about black fucking helicopters, but the existence of a huge executive branch spying operation doesn't give you the slightest pause.
ReplyDeleteThe visitors were, purportedly, flying the helicopters, but the home team is doing the spying.
You need to listen to ESPN Radio more, to get the whole gestalt.
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteI'll inject one more reason for Cheny's delay:
It was a ploy, by Cheny, to concoct "another story", or diversion for the media to jump on. Why this reneweded media attention? To divert their focus from last weeks's disclosure about Libby's testimony where he revealed his "bosses" gave him permission to leak classified information! Just think about how he "matter of factly" broached the subject with Brit Hume last night.
Yes, yes -- but Will is obviously a liberal Bush hater. I have a very simple response when someone accuses me of being a liberal for criticizing the handling of the Iraq war, Abu Ghraib, or the NSA scandal -- I ask them to define liberal for me. I have never received the same answer twice (though it usually deals with a reliance on the federal gov't and en expansion of the federal system), and it inevitably leads to a discussion where I can easily point out that Bush violated these same principles. No principled conservative can defend this administration's actions over the last 4 years. I merely point this out to them.
ReplyDeleteGedaliya wonders how Republicans' homoeroticism comports with their gay-bashing, as if he's found an inconsistency in Glenn's argument. Obviously he hasn't followed the story of the gay-bashing mayor of Spokane, who did everything he could do make life difficult for gays in Washington State. He's a Christian Right-winger who used his power in the state senate to stop any attempts by gays to get the equal benefits enjoyed by hetero couples. Come to find out, the gay-bashing mayor is a closet gay, who used the powers of his office to entice young men into sexual relationships in return for positions in the city government.
ReplyDeleteHis story is a common one among closeted republicans. Gay-bashing is a hallmark of the sexually frustrated gay man. If he's a Republican, and a Christian with obligations in his community to uphold the anti-gay agenda of his nearest friends, he's bound to suffer the agonizing internal conflict which results in the blatant hypocrisy we all notice in gedaliya's posts.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn gedaliya is a closet gay, living out the excruciating inner turmoil so common to his brethren.
All I can say gedalyia is, your good enough, you're smart enough, and dog-gonnit, if your team won't alow you to grow into a butterfly, then come on over to the the side of sanity. Your posts show me you're suffering greatly. All that anger and frustration! You don't have to live such a conflicted life. Take a deep breath and tell those bullies to leave you alone.
We'll accept you. And you can finally openly declare your love of guys who strut around in cod-pieces, without having to embrace all their political nonsense.
Throw off those chains!
And welcome home brother.
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, I'm a great admirer of your work. Heard you on the radio, too, during the C-Span gig.
I don't expect you will entirely agree, but as a matter of pure politics, I believe the shooting represents the key through which we gain greater momentum for the NSA story, and for all the other related reforms required. Thesis: the shooting is the "blue dress" moment.
This has become the prevailing view in the Firedoglake community.
You can review the arguments here:
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2006/2/15/01018/7134/9#9
Free Republic post re: Will column
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I don't always agree with Will...but I think he is great.
I think he is a pompus rino that really knows baseball. He has been in DC too long and the lefty slime has begun to rub off on him.
5 posted on 02/16/2006 11:24:57 AM PST by USS Alaska
Glenn: I see the html did not embed. Let me try again to offer the link:
ReplyDeleteClick here.
The Patriot Act was Step 1. Everything built from there. As far as I know, and correct me if I am wrong, there is ONE government official who is arguing forcibly against these illegal surveillance practices down in the name of security: Feingold.
ReplyDeleteHe heroically struggles almost alone, and we talk about everything else but the magnificent fight he is putting up, with little support, to try to make citizens see the light and change direction.
I think Glenn and everyone else, at this precise moment in time, now that Feingold has single handedly apparently secured a delay in the vote on the Patriot Act, should devote our entire efforts to supporting him. Write him letters. Send him money. Show the guy that he has a constitency who sees things the way he does.
Glenn?
Arguments about the legality of the program may or may not have panned out since no courts have ruled
ReplyDeleteSo if someone breaks into your home and leave with your TV, arguments about the legality of their actions may or may not have panned out since no courts have ruled. After all, that person might be the President, and Article II of the constitution states that he has the authority to do so. I quote: ... ... darn, I could have sworn I read that ...
Let's stay away from psychobabble and personal aspersions. The Bush Administration's abuses and incompetence are much too serious to be squandered in silliness.
ReplyDeleteDavid - Like several other people have said, I appreciate your comments here and usually agree with them. But I don't like all of them and I don't agree with all of them. Sometimes I think they are a little off-point or not exactly important. But you don't see me jumping in to tell you that you shouldn't talk about those topics when you write comments like this.
I say this because you have developed a practice of telling me in Comments that I should avoid this topic or that topic because you don't think it's sufficiently important to talk about. I doubt you're going to find a blogger who only writes exactly about what you think is important and who does not, from time to time, write about things that don't interest you.
I happen to think that the pyschological manipulation and exploitation of masculine imagery is one of the most important and effective tactics of Republican strategists. They expend a huge amount of money and energy ensuring that Bush is depicted with glorious, powerful images and they have been successfully depicting Republicans as the strong, swaggering warriors - and Democrats as the weak, effete, effeminate latte-sipping cowards - for the last 3 decades. I think it is the single most influential factor in how they have swung large portions of the electorate over to their side, and exposing its corruption and figuring out how to undermine it is one of the most important, if not the most important challenges, which Bush opponents face.
I also think there is great value for several reasons (which I intend to write about shortly) in engaging in debates with Bush followers - another topic you dislike. If you don't think those things are important, that's fine. You can skip those posts. But jumping in every time I write about a topic that you dislike to tell me to stop talking about those things is not productive.
I think Bush opponents have neglected the psychological aspects of political movements, and have failed to engage the hypocrisy and radical elements of the Bush movement, for way too long. I'm interested in those topics and think they're important and will, for that reason, continue to write them.
Hey pmain,
ReplyDeletePart of Glenn's argument about the NSA spying scandal (it meets the requirements to be called one) includes the SJC, as he has quoted them fairly often, most notably when they were interviewing the AG, unsworn, no less.
And that argument, which you so thoughtlessly dismissed, is that the oversight of the executive branch by the SJC is likely being done in name only. When push comes to shove, just because Lindsey and Arlen can mouth platitudes to oversight doesn't necessarily mean that they are actually working to determine the legality of the program in a responsible manner. Glenn has written with great insight how these Republican Senators can turn around and pass a law that retroactively legalizes Bush's warrantless wiretaps, or worse (killing an American citizen on US soil), without serious consideration given to the repercussions of bestowing the powers of a monarch to the executive branch. Until those laws are passed the NSA's wiretapping net is clearly not legal without including the FISA court.
And pmain, don't drink the Kool-Aid; yes you are in a cult.
For what it's worth, as a business consultant with a doctorate in psychology, I think the masculine phallic cult is not discussed enough.
ReplyDeleteThank you for writing this, Glenn. You described the dynamics of this phenomenon quite well.
The Dog *smirk* wrote:
ReplyDelete> Bush supporters are obsessed with his "phallic greatness." Some have "homoerotic" thoughts about his macho foreign policy. We have "daddy complexes." We are "racists," and "hypocrites," who react to Rovian stimuli with a "Pavlovian" response.
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No, dude, not all Bush supporters, just, to quote Glenn specifically, the specific strain of loyal Bush followers represented by you.
I echo "anonymous"'s comment: Has no one raised doubts about its [the NSA spying program's] necessity? In my opinion, Ted Kennedy's points during the Gonzales hearing were spot on. He said:
"So we're taking, really, a risk, I think, with national security, which I think is unwise.
We're sending the wrong message to those that are on the front lines of the NSA that maybe someday they may actually be prosecuted, criminally or civilly. We're sending a message to the courts that perhaps the materials that we're going to take from -- let me just say from eavesdropping or signal intelligence may not be used in the court, again prosecuting Al Qaida, people we really want to go after, because it wasn't done legally.
We're sending a message to the telephone companies that they may be under assault and attack as well. There are already cases now, brought by individuals against the telephone companies.
So we have to get it right. Because if we don't get it right, we're going to find that we have paid a very harsh price on it.
Some of those toughest, meanest and cruelest members of Al Qaida may be able to use illegality in the court system to escape justice. Maybe or maybe not, but why take a chance?"
"Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the
ReplyDeletecomprehension of the weak; and that it is doing God's service when it is
violating all his laws."
-John Adams, 2nd US president (1735-1826)
Great quote.
They expend a huge amount of money and energy ensuring that Bush is depicted with glorious, powerful images and they have been successfully depicting Republicans as the strong, swaggering warriors - and Democrats as the weak, effete, effeminate latte-sipping cowards - for the last 3 decades. I think it is the single most influential factor in how they have swung large portions of the electorate over to their side, and exposing its corruption and figuring out how to undermine it is one of the most important, if not the most important challenges, which Bush opponents face.
ReplyDeleteThat is all true, and I agree there has been a calculated effort to exploit doubts about the masculinity of Democrats while enshrining Republicans as The Man's party. (And for that reason, among others, I do not at all object to your raising and discussing such issues.)
But I see a few additional factors at work. Just as Bush has handed the left some civil libertarian issues with which to beat him over the head, the left/Democrats have somewhat shot themselves in the foot with the issue of masculinity.
Not too long ago, Alan Alda was the embodiment of what feminists and their Democratic defenders felt on gender roles. He was in touch with his feminine side; he understood the evil of phallocentric privilege and how it has harmed women. To a very real extent, a generation of left-of-center men essentially went around apologizing for having a penis, and promising to try to be more like women --more peaceful, more interested in relationships than with achievement & etc.
The reality is that no matter how much some might not like it, both men and women still hold attitudes and feelings about masculinity that are hard-wired by evolution; most of us want our men manly. Harvey Mansfield and that ilk do go (way) over the deep-end in their ruminations over what constitutes the glories of masculinity, but there is a kernel of truth to what they argue. And that kernel has been working to the advantage of the GOP.
Glenn:
ReplyDeleteCongress has even less legal authority to get DOJ legal documents discussing this program than they did to get documents of the internal discussions in the Cheney energy task force.
DOJ records drafted to give advice the the President about the legality of the NSA program are not only protected by executive privilege, but arguably also attorney-client privilege.
In any case, what is the point?
I have never seen an issue about which a group of attorneys did not disagree. See this blog in general and our disagreements in particular.
If Congress thinks that the NSA program is some gross violation of the Constitution, they can vote to cut funding and to impeach the President.
If some citizen can prove an actual abuse of power, than they can bring suit and seek an injunction.
You and I both know (or should know) as lawyers that there is very little chance of any of those things happening. Why are you wasting your time on this when there are other "scandals" to release your Bush hatred on like Cheney shooting his friend?
I think Bush opponents have neglected the psychological aspects of political movements, and have failed to engage the hypocrisy and radical elements of the Bush movement, for way too long. I'm interested in those topics and think they're important and will, for that reason, continue to write them.
ReplyDeleteBravo!
Why are you wasting your time on this when there are other "scandals" to release your Bush hatred on like Cheney shooting his friend?
ReplyDeleteI'm sure Glenn appreciates your concern about the effectiveness of his use of time.
/snark
the dog: Cornering the market on the Cindy Sheehan crowd does not a career in journalism make.
ReplyDeleteWow, you can't even imagine that someone could ever potentially care about the Constitution!
pmain:Bush may or may not have over-stepped legal bounds, it has yet been proven or judged through the appropriate Constitutional devices legally allowed
Bush has certainly not yet been charged with anything, but the legal opinion of the American Bar Association is that the administration has acted illegally.
Readers of this site may decide for themselves which legal analysis is more trustworthy: pmain's bald (and ungrammatical) assertions, or the ABA.
Lessons to be learned:
ReplyDeleteThere is a lot of talk about the perceived weakness of the Democratic Party, and it has merit. Whatever the dynamic which defines the political protestations of Democrats (whether it be fear of losing, fear of being labled obstructionists, altruistic, or some psycho-sexual underpinning) it has the real effect of powerlessness.
A minority party has the ability and, in fact, the responsibility to act as an opposition party. It ensures a degree of checks and balances which may otherwise devolve.
I think it is good for Representatives to have differing views and opinions… it’s good for the country. But failure to act on potential Constitutional breaches for fear of looking weak is not only effectually spineless, but antithetical to their mandate as elected representatives and sworn protectors of the constitution.
When a minority party cannot unify to a level of legitimate opposition, their continued existence should seriously be reconsidered.
The broad-brush painting of Democrats as feckless pantywaists is sticking. These guys and gals really need to start acting in concert as a cohesive unit or they will definitely be relegated to the parody of a party that they are being viewed as.
If the Party allows a few Democrats that actually take a stand and no one follows, it easily diminishes those brave individuals to be portrayed as extreme, far-left, or loony. When there is an amalgamation of similar views being portrayed by the whole, it is hard to classify as fringe.
Liberals may see conservatives as extreme, far-right, etc. for their imposing religious or far reaching authoritarian views, but it’s tough to make it stick when the whole party is united. You seldom hear pundits talking about extremists on the right, because if they’re all together there is no fringe. You always hear them talk about far-lefties, whackos, and Michael Mooresque libs.
If Democrats finally forcefully show strength, the perception of such will follow.
This should be a lesson to all those Democrats who believe they are doing themselves a favor by swinging over to the right. They should be huddling closer with the group rather than triumphantly wearing their new found “centrist” badge on their sleeves. It often comes off as disingenuous, because it often is. You won’t have to try to project “centrism” or “mainstreamism” if you are standing with a large group. A unified party has the opportunity to make the definitions of words for themselves. .. Republicans do it all the time.
McCain has been able to project an air of independence, while maintaining strong rightwing ideologies. Democrats should be able to achieve the same if they will finally come together as a Party. Democrats please, speak with one articulated voice…because a party divided against itself will not stand.
hypatia sez:
ReplyDeleteEven on an intellectual basis, there can be a certain erotic attraction when I read forceful, highly intelligent men -- and I prefer male authors for that reason.
Kind of ironic username, then, eh?
But I am self-aware enough to know this, and make an effort not to refuse female authors just becasue of this psycho-sexual thing I have (which manifests in many ways in many women).
My, how magnanimous and *rationalistic* of you!
And how do you *know* on the internets if you're reading a "virile, manly man" or [eew!] merely an unfeminine [sic!] woman with a gender-neutral username?
--Posting as someone who frequently, for years, and occasionally still, has been assumed on boards to be male, by virtue of not writing about WAFFY subjects.
"People like Gedalyia who see George Bush as a figure of phallic greatness live in a fantasy world where the "vast majority" of people support Bush's policies and actions, and criticizing the Leader's actions -- especially those designed to heroically protect us -- will therefore lead to certain electoral defeat, even though every available fact demonstrates that the opposite is true."
ReplyDeleteLet's see. You lost the election to Bush. You lost even more seats in Congress. I guess this fantasy world Glenn lives in is called the United States of America. "Every available fact" demonstrates that you are wrong Glenn. You can skew and spin every poll out there, but you are electorally challenged, so give it your best shot, but you are wimpy on defense and we will beat you again and again and again no matter how many times you insult us.
... said the brave anonymous.
ReplyDeleteAnon at 3:37 PM: "Or does he really think he needs to be protected from Marlo Thomas, Shannon Elizabeth and Doug Flutie?"
ReplyDeleteMmmmmmmmmmm... Shannon Elizabeth
Anon at 3:37 PM: "Or does he really think he needs to be protected from Marlo Thomas, Shannon Elizabeth and Doug Flutie?"
ReplyDeleteMmmmmmmmmm... Doug Flutie....
Is that you Dog, sweetie?
ReplyDeletebellatrys gets her knickers in a twist:
ReplyDeleteAnd how do you *know* on the internets if you're reading a "virile, manly man" or [eew!] merely an unfeminine [sic!] woman with a gender-neutral username?
--Posting as someone who frequently, for years, and occasionally still, has been assumed on boards to be male, by virtue of not writing about WAFFY subjects.
I don't always know the gender of people writing on the Internet. But I do when purchasing books, and I have a strong tendency to favor male authors, a tendency I try to counter, since some of my favorite books would have gone unread had I given into that.
That's just the way it is. Sorry if it bothers you.
Hey, it's your blog! From now on, I'll keep my opinions to myself.
ReplyDeleteI don't want this. Please opine in abundance. Like I said, I think your commenting adds a lot. I was just pointing out that trying to tell bloggers which issues they should and shouldn't talk about is likely to be pretty futile since, as you know, most bloggers value their independence and autonomy and most people tend to talk about the issues which, for whatever reasons, are interesting and important to them.
"The reason that you can't debate the specific strain of loyal Bush followers represented by Gedalyia is because they live in a dense, fact-free world where their hatred for Arabs"
ReplyDeleteNice race card. I have read Gedalyia's post and have seen nothing to suggest he/she hate Arabs. I believe Gedalyia specifically pointed out radical Islamists. I don't know why you can't seem to debate withot name-calling and race-baiting.
Great piece!
ReplyDeleteThere is definately a "Brokeback Mountain" quality to the Bush Administration, their apologists (such as Sean Hannity) and the "dittohead" Bushbots.
The narrative that not only the Cult of Bush, but the media and the Democratic establishment, have bought into is that the 'vast majority' of the American public is not only conservative, but conservative to the point of finding liberal ideas (which now include any disagreement with Bush or the Republican party) offensive. Thus not only must Democratic politicians keep such vulgar thoughts hidden, but they must act immediately to denounce and silence anyone who dares express an un-conservative opinion lest the public outrage turn against them at the ballot box. Meanwhile, no idea (up to and including the final solution) is too far to the right to be considered extreme. This is exactly the attack being used against liberal bloggers. These 'psychotic Bush-hating Stalinist savages in the fever swamps' will only hurt the Democratic party by offending decent Americans and pushing Democrats to the 'extreme far left' goes the talking point used to lure them attacking their own supporters. Falling into this trap only helps Republicans remove them from power and reduce the political discourse in America to a right wing monologue.
ReplyDeleteIt's easy to believe something is the opinion of the 'vast majority' when that's what the only voices allowed to speak are saying. We need some real debate and opposition from people who refuse to shut up just because Republicans call them names. The fact that right wing pundits are attacking liberal bloggers in the national media is a sign they consider them a threat. They understand a very simple concept that has eluded Democrats for a very long time: if you want to be considered a centrist or a moderate, there has to be someone further to the left/right and less moderate by comparison.
Looks like the Senate has decided to put an end to the seemingly politically based, though not completely unwarranted questioning into the NSA wiretaps. While I'd prefer for it to be investigated, I did not like the questionable timing of releasing the information by the NYT. I'm glad to see that the left side of the aisle has decided to put the nation's security before using this as a means to attack the current administration, but fear that it might be politically motivated as well. I think that it was the wisest decision to make in the long run. I am however in favor of these questions being addressed eventually, but believe that it might have proved too tempting of a target & become election cycle fodder.
ReplyDeleteOf course, Glenn, you know that there are apparently paid surfers who've been hired to cruise blogs like this, create a "trusted" profile, and then shoot down reasoned arguments. I would point towards gedalyia and dog as probable paid trolls. (Note that they scoff, but they offer only as much counterarguments as the Dems supposedly offer "solutions.")
ReplyDeleteThat aside, your analysis is brilliant and worth consideration. There is most certainly a strong whiff of autoeroticism among many of those who put George on a pedestal. At its best, it's merely slimy, but at its worst, it is among the most frightening characteristics of an American demographic all too willing to trade whatever civil rights they have left to defend themselves against little brown people they don't even bother to understand. The obvious rebuttal to those who criticise the huge protests against profane images of deities, that such images of Christ or the Pope would similarly enrage Christians, seems to fall upon completely deaf ears.
It's a tired cliche, but our ignorance is our worst Achille's Heel, and it will bankrupt our Constitution and our country eventually.
man glen you just keep hitting them out of the park. you have the bush cultist theme down to a science- one that can be understood. keep on blogging athens boy
ReplyDeleteAnon said,
ReplyDeleteCHENEY: I first met him in Vail, Colorado, when I worked for Gerry Ford about 30 years ago, and it's the first time I'd ever hunted with him.
That sentence in writing and even more when you are watching and listening to it being spoken appears to say the first time Cheney hunted with Whittington was 30 years ago in the Vail Colorado area.
So, until Cheney does another interview and makes a clarification. I believe I did have the facts correct from the words spoken.
I don't get news from propaganda outlets. I avoid all the usual propaganda MSM outlets like the New York Times and the Washington Post and CNN. I'm not the only one. That's why CNN's and MSNBC's audiences are so pitiful small and woefully uninformed. When I want propaganda, I come here and read your posts and those like you.
Says the "Dog"
pmain
ReplyDeleteTruly pathetic posts.
You parroted the White House's factually unsupported contention that publication by the New York Times of the existence of an illegal domestic espionage program conducted by the current administration damaged national security. What did you cite as proof? What details of the program have seen the light of day, except its inherent illegality?
Intellectual dishonesty in carping at the timing of NYT publication as if intended to influence the midterm election cycle of 2006, while willfully ignoring the political importunings of the Bush Administration to prevent publication a month before the presidential election of 2004. Weak.
As for the leaking of classified information for political gain, Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation continues.
If the Bush domestic espionage program is legal, explain the necessity for new legislation. How can new legislation legitimize behavior, prior to enactment, recognized as falling outside the law?
Explanation for the level of mendacity routinely demonstrated by the current administration is attributable to its determination to conceal systemic, systematic lawbreaking from both a concerned electorate, and the constitutionally mandated oversight of our executive branch by our duly elected legislative bodies.
The very nature of those activities of our executive branch, which necessitated the convening of the hearings before the Senate Judiciary Committee, require the rigorous review of an agency independent of the majority party now in control of all levers of power within each of our branches of our federal government: an Independent Counsel, responsible to the only sovereign our Constitution recognizes; We, the People.
Dog,
ReplyDeleteThat is you. I'd know that gruff exterior anywhere. Hey, have you dealt with that hair-trigger yet? Even though you denied it and hid behind that tough talk, I knew it bothered you. I heard the quiet sobs late at night; I wasn't sleeping, you know. Call me. My number hasn't changed.
In yesterday's post, I commented upon the glaring disparity between: (a) the propagandistic myths which Bush followers have ingested that paint a picture of Republicans as being wildly popular among the "vast majority" of Americans (i.e., all normal Americans, excluding just a few radical, fringe freaks on the coast), and (b) the facts, reflected almost unanimously by polling data, showing that George Bush is an intensely unpopular President and that Americans actually reject his foreign policy overwhelmingly. It is truly amazing, and alarming, how Bush followers continue to maintain that myth even in the face of overwhelming evidence which negates it.
ReplyDeleteGlenn,
I just found your blog recently and I've really enjoyed your posts. I just wanted to comment on this part. It is hardly an accident that Bush loyalists and right-wing noise machine parrot this kind of thinking regardless of the actualities. That is the whole point. Conscious and subconscious opinions can be heavily influenced by the concerted repetition of a set of myths and ideology. This is precisely what shapes the 'conventional wisdom' and the limits of 'reasonable' discourse.
Of course, the political right more or less stole this from a certain Italian radical poltical-economnic and cultural thinker who shall remain nameless...
Dog-
ReplyDeleteGeez, man, give it up. The transcript makes it clear they had not hunted together prior to the accident. Rag on Cheney if you want for not speaking in a grammatically correct manner, but the meaning of what he said is clear enough.
Is it really that painful to admit you got it wrong?
Anon @ 3:27 pm
ReplyDeleteLeave my Doggie alone!
These 'psychotic Bush-hating Stalinist savages in the fever swamps' will only hurt the Democratic party by offending decent Americans and pushing Democrats to the 'extreme far left' goes the talking point used to lure them attacking their own supporters. Falling into this trap only helps Republicans remove them from power and reduce the political discourse in America to a right wing monologue.
ReplyDeleteOf course conservatives have gotten a great deal of political mileage in recent years by pushing this line and others like it. The overall strategy has been to frame liberalism as a "problem" in order to force Democratic politicians to run away from it. Then these same Democrats can be framed as "unprincipled" and "wishy-washy" precisely because they ran away. It worked like a charm with Kerry in '04. He fled from the Scylla of the "Massachusetts liberal" meme only to get sucked down by the Charibydis(sp?) called the "flip-flop" meme. On strictly technical grounds you have to admire this strategy.
The counter-strategy is becoming equally obvious: force Republicans to run away from conservatism. Fortunately, the Bush Administration is furnishing plenty of raw materials for the job. But so far much of the liberals' use of Bushco's fuckups has been misdirected at the Administration itself. This crowd's going to be out of office in three years regardless, so Bush-bashing's a waste of time. Instead, the Administration's incompetence in so many areas should be framed as emblematic of conservatism in general.
This is the kind of government that conservatism can't help but produce any more than a cow can help producing milk.
Modern American conservatism has over the past 30 years evolved from a "wave of the future" to an intellectually bankrupt and morally compromised assortment of political hacks and ideologically-prostituted apparatchiks. And it's about time liberals began exploiting that fact.
Dog-
ReplyDeleteGeez, man, give it up. The transcript makes it clear they had not hunted together prior to the accident.
I'm no Dog, and I think Cheney is a traitor, but the transcript does no such thing. All we have is Cheney's response to "how long have you known him", where he says "I first met him in Vale, Colorado, when I worked for Gerry Ford about 30 years ago, and it was the first time I'd ever hunted with him." The most reasonable interpretation is that he first hunted with Whittington 30 years ago -- any other interpretation is agenda-driven reaching, the sort of thing we expect from Bushies, not from reasonable and rational folks.
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