(1) It is really quite astounding to watch Congressional Republicans fall all over themselves advocating legislation, on the grounds of national security, to force the President to reverse his decision about who is going to operate our ports. Many of these same Republicans have been defending Bush’s violations of FISA on the ground that Congress lacks constitutional authority to restrict or regulate the President’s Article II power to act unilaterally with regard to matters
of national security.
As Atrios quite amusingly (but quite insightfully) pointed out in his post entitled "A Brief Reminder":
Bush does, of course, have inherent authority under Article II to make all decisions relating to national security.
According to the Bush Administration's Yoo theory of Executive power, which these Congressional Republicans have been pitifully invoking to argue for their own powerlessness as a means of justifying the President’s flagrant violations of the law, neither Congress nor the courts "can place any limits on the President's determinations" regarding protection of the nation against terrorism because "these decisions, under our Constitution, are for the President alone to make."
Based on this theory, Pat Roberts just recently announced that FISA is unconstitutional because it impermissibly impinges on the President’s "inherent authority" to make decisions about how the nation ought to be defended without interference from the courts or Congress. Based on that reasoning, how can Congress possibly interfere with the President’s decisions concerning how our nation’s ports will be defended from terrorist threats?
The President has a war to fight. Under Article II, decisions about how to defend our nation are his alone to make. What right does Congress have to stick its nose into decisions by the Commander-in-Chief about who ought to safeguard our ports and how our country should be protected? If it wants, Congress can simply stop funding these programs. But they have no right to dicatate to the President how he should defend our nation in a time of war.
(2) Every time Bush speaks about terrorism, his contempt for the notion that Congress has any meaningful role to play in national security is palpable. Bluememe yesterday insightfully observed that the language Bush used when asked about this issue glaringly reveals this contempt:
Bush took the rare step of calling reporters to his conference room on Air Force One after returning from a speech in Colorado. He also stopped to talk before television cameras after he returned to the White House."I can understand why some in Congress have raised questions about whether or not our country will be less secure as a result of this transaction," the president said. "But they need to know that our government has looked at this issue and looked at it carefully."
Got that? There's Congress on the one hand. And what Bush considers "our Government" on the other. And never the twain shall meet.
Bush has been speaking in these condescending, dismissive tones to and about Congress ever since he was elected. For whatever reasons (2006 elections, a weakened and unpopular President), the highly principled Republicans in Congress appear to have suddenly decided that they won’t accept their assigned role as submissive rubber-stamps for the White House's national security decrees. But haven't they already staked out the position that they have no role to play when it comes to defending the nation against terrorism?
(3) The substance of this controversy to the side, it is quite clear this is going to be a politically harmful episode for Bush personally, if not for Congressional Republicans as a whole. It seems highly unlikely that Congressional Republicans will hand Democrats a tougher-on-terrorism platform in the middle of an election year. That means that either Bush will have to back down from his veto threat and do a Miers-like reversal (a reversal which was unthinkable for the first four years of his Presidency), or stay resolute about effectuating this deal and ensure a public and serious split between him and the Republican Congress.
As several people noted in the Comments section here last night, there is a sweet poetic justice in watching all of this unfold. Having spent the last four years squeezing enormous political benefits out of cynical fear-mongering over Arab terrorists and despicable accusations that his political opponents are aiding and abetting terrorists by opposing his foreign policies, Bush now finds himself crying victimhood over what he is depicting as these very tactics. One reaps what one sows, and all of that.
(4) There is no shortage of speculation about why Bush is so insistent about proceeding with this deal even in the face of the intense political difficulty it is creating. If George Bush has one unbending belief (besides the limitlessness of his own power), it’s his belief in doing business deals, especially those which reward people and entities whom he wants to reward. Cronyism pervades virtually everything this Administration does – from the reconstruction of Iraq to the Kartrina-ravaged Gulf Coast, and, of course, at the very core of the political appointment process in Washington.
With all of the other more glamorous corruption and law-breaking scandals that crop up with dizzying regularity, the pervasive cronyism which undermines and often destroys almost every American foreign and domestic policy is often overlooked. If I were to speculate, I would guess that cronyism connections are (at least partially) what drove this transaction originally and what is driving Bush’s oddly emphatic commitment to it now.
I also think that the same motive which almost certainly influenced the decision to ignore Congressional law and the FISA courts when eavesdropping is at play here -- namely, Bush’s now ingrained belief that he rules over all national security matters unilaterally and with unchallengeable authority. This core belief likely led him to scoff at the idea that anyone was going to tell him what decisions to make about national security. Certainly, no Congress can tell him who is going to operate our ports. That decision is his alone to make.
(5) There was an extremely interesting issue raised in the Comments section to the prior post. The issue was raised by numerous comments including this comment by Hypatia, this one by DClaw1, this one by Heresiarch and, finally, this anonymous comment.
The issue is this: Republicans have spent the last five years cynically exploiting every issue they can find, particularly ones involving national security and terrorism threats, for domestic political gain, and it hardly requires any guessing to know that they will escalate those deceitful efforts heading into the mid-term elections this year. Karl Rove has all but said so.
Operating from the premise that this Administration poses a genuine and profound danger to our constitutional principles and is poised to do long-lasting, perhaps irreparable, damage to our country –- a proposition to which I certainly subscribe -- what limits, if any, ought there to be on efforts and strategies to politically defeat Bush and his followers?
If Democrats have an opportunity to inflict serious political harm on the Administration and its enablers in Congress through a scandal which may not be truly meritorious but can be a potent political weapon (and I’m not saying that's the case for Portgate - I’m simply posing this question hypothetically), ought Democrats do what Bush followers have done for the last 5 years -- namely, use whatever instruments they can to politically harm the Administration, even if there is some cynicism involved in doing so – or ought they maintain higher and more intellectually honest standards and forego political gain if it means cynically exploiting a scandal?
I’m not asking that question to make a point, but am raising it because, as the discussion in Comments reveals, Bush opponents clearly have different views on this matter and it’s worth exploring. Digby posted yesterday about this very dilemma yesterday and said this:
Sometimes I get criticism from my readers for suggesting that the Democrats must play on the same playing field as the Republicans. They say, "we shouldn't become them." But I never suggest that the Democrats should lie, cheat or play dirty as the Republicans do. I suggest that they wise up and stop pretending that Republicans are anything but ruthless adversaries and adjust accordingly. They can be beaten with smart strategies, but not unless the Democrats internalize the connection between the nice men and women they are working with on capitol hill every day with the thugs they hire to get elected. They are all cogs in the same cutthroat political machine.
Should Bush opponents have a "win-at-all-costs" approach whereby they use any and all weapons, or ought they confine their attacks to ones they genuinely and passionately believe are meritorious? I think that’s a real question.
(6) Numerous Bush followers in the blogosphere and elsewhere are joyously citing Republican opposition to Bush’s port deal as proof that Republicans do stand up to Bush, have a mind of their own, and are therefore exonerated of the charge that they have transformed their political movement into a cult of blind loyalty unburdened by political principles. I’ll have more to say as this simplistic drum is beaten ever more loudly, but for now, I will simply note the comment I made here on the day I wrote the authoritarian cult post, the Digby, Atrios and Dave Neiwert about my argument with which I expressed agreement.
Numerous Bush followers in the blogosphere and elsewhere are joyously citing Republican opposition to Bush’s port deal as proof that Republicans do stand up to Bush, have a mind of their own, and are therefore exonerated of the charge that they have transformed their political movement into a cult of blind loyalty unburdened by political principles.
ReplyDeleteGlenn, dear, the problem is that while you have a good point hidden in your post (i.e., that a few conservatives have labeled a few Bush critics as "liberal"), you have no evidence that this is going on uniformly, or even regularly. That's why you're reduced to relying on examples from completely obscure conservative bloggers like "Rousseau," or some unknown dude who emailed John Podhoretz.
The fact is, your original post made people upset because it took such an absolutist line:
Now, in order to be considered a "liberal," only one thing is required – a failure to pledge blind loyalty to George W. Bush. The minute one criticizes him is the minute that one becomes a "liberal," regardless of the ground on which the criticism is based.
Only one thing? Refusal to pledge "blind loyalty"? Anyone who criticizes Bush on ANY issue will be labeled a "liberal"?
No wonder that you used the passive voice here. Tell me, has any actual person ever labeled Pat Buchanan a "liberal," or any of the writers at The American Conservative, which is the magazine that Buchanan founded for the express purpose of opposing Bush-style conservatism?
More broadly, I can't even count how many times conservatives have expressed frustration with Bush over 1) government spending, 2) No Child Left Behind, 3) the new Medicare plan on prescription drugs, 4) immigration, 5) Harriet Miers, etc., etc. Conservatives criticize Bush ALL THE TIME without instantly being labeled as "liberal."
So the problem was that you took a true observation (i.e., that many conservatives have made excuses for the NSA program that they wouldn't have made if Clinton were in power), added in an observation that a handful of Republicans have been labeled as "liberal" by one or two people, and then somehow came up with an extremely broad claim that anyone who criticizes Bush on any issue will be labeled a "liberal."
That broad claim is just not true (unless you really mean to claim only that somewhere in the country there exists a single anonymous emailer or blogger who will label any given person as "liberal," in which case your claim is true but completely trivial).
The President has a war to fight. Under Article II, decisions about how to defend our nation are his alone to make. What right does Congress have to stick its nose into decisions by the Commander-in-Chief about who ought to safeguard our ports and how our country should be protected? If it wants, Congress can simply stop funding these programs. But they have no right to dicatate to the President how he should defend our nation in a time of war.
ReplyDeleteYou've convinced me. Bush need not veto any legislation that would prevent his assigning port security to the UAE-owned company (that is run by a host of white Anglo people, and prolly a good many of the Jewish tribe as well); he should simply ignore it. And no court could order him to do otherwise, as Andy McCarthy has so eloquently set forth wrt the NSA/FISA scandal.
This is a national security matter, and George Bush, and only George Bush, has absolute "inherent" authority to make decisions in that regard. Powerline linked to Harvey Mansfield's excellent Weekly Standard piece extolling the virtues of Bush as prince, who is and must be above the law, to protect us. It is all so clear to me now, and Bush supporters of course will soon abandon their opposition to the DPW company, because the prince has chosen it.
Glenn - I think you touched on the winning strategy here- tie this to the president's theories and law-breaking on NSA, Padilla, torture, etc.
ReplyDeleteHow can these disgusting hyporcites in Congress justify what they are doing? They've argued over and over that the President can defy Congress, even ignore their laws. How do they explain themselves now?
Brilliant!!
i suppose it's too cynical to think Rove has been fishing around for an issue to parlay into a veto?
ReplyDeleteThere has been much discussion about the fact that no vetos have occured during W's reign (and with this issue's added benefit of allowing Repubs feeling frayed about this coming election to become their "own men")...it just seems so weird that this all came out of nowhere like this...
waiting...waiting...
Great, I urged everyone to make this connections in comments yesterday.
ReplyDeleteI think we can exploit this issue without resorting to a win at all costs. The two are not mutually exclusive. We simply, and honestly (no need to lie), point to the hypocrisy of Bush and his followers on this issue – and how it relates to all other Bush scandals from Katrina to NSA.
For example, one comment that Josh Marshall posted was:
“Being a War President, and the War on Terror itself, eclipses everything.
Except when it doesn’t.”
Bush expects him to trust him on all matters of National Security, but his followers won’t trust him on this decision. In addition to the issue of “trust” this also allows to bring up incompetence, cronyism, secrecy, contempt for checks and balances, and the president being out of the loop.
This issue has got it all. Let the Bush followers have plenty of room to attack him on this, while bringing up all the related issues that they don’t want to talk about.
If this deal was made because of Bush cronies connection to UAE, then what about cronies connection to spying – might they be spying on corporate competitors as well? Without appropriate oversight, how do we know?
This is a high slow curveball just floating over the plate – I say we don’t miss this opportunity – and we can do that without resorting to dishonest tactics employed by Bushites.
damn. i realised today i know more about american politics than australian! and its all your fault glenn. watch out when my tendinosis heals up, I'll be contributing and stuff.
ReplyDeletekeep it up!
I haven't been able to verify that's an accurate quote yet. The "whitehouse.gov" site doesn't have that quote or I can't find it.
ReplyDeleteAny other sources other than the Australian one?
in fact, i'll start now.
ReplyDeleteis the significance of a national security (or any other) issue a function of its political traction, or vice versa?
you'd hope the latter, but lookit quailgate. hunting accident, so what? perfect metaphor for cheney/admin M.O., that's what.
Ah... Here's another source...
ReplyDelete>I would guess that cronyism connections are (at least partially) what drove this transaction originally and what is driving Bush’s oddly emphatic commitment to it now.<
ReplyDeleteYour tendency toward understatment is remarkable. There can be no doubt that this totally about rewarding his business buddies at the expense of his own party, let alone the nation as a whole.
I'm interested in learning more about the quid pro quo which must have taken place when Bush appointed Snow and Sanborn, both with close DPW ties, to such high administration posts. Money and influence always trump security with this outfit.
ReplyDeleteHere's the actual White House transcript.
ReplyDeleteMy apologies for the incessant fact-checking.
--Darryl "the googler" Pearce
I’ll have more to say as this simplistic drum is beaten ever more loudly, but for now, I will simply note the comment I made here on the day I wrote the authoritarian cult post, the Digby, Atrios and Dave Neiwert about my argument with which I expressed agreement.
ReplyDeleteGlenn,
Forgive me if you've mentioned this elsewhere, but some of what you've said reminds me of Chris Hedges' book, War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning. If you haven't read it, it's worth a look. I think there is much in there that speaks to the psychology of Bush supporters.
t.s.
Glenn: I wonder what you, and other commenters here, think about the possibility that this is all a set-up to make the Republicans in Congress look tough on terrorism in an election year. As the script goes, Bush proposes a deal that weakens homeland security, and the Republican Congress strikes down the deal, and they then go home to their constituents and point out that (1) they are, indeed, tough on terrorism, and (2) they aren't just Bush lackeys prepared to rubber-stamp anything he does.
ReplyDeleteIt smacks a little bit of conspiracy theory, to be sure, but with Karl Rove pulling the strings, I can't honestly say this is out of the realm of possibility.
Glen said:
ReplyDelete"Should Bush opponents have a "win-at-all-costs" approach whereby they use any and all weapons, or ought they confine their attacks to ones they genuinely and passionately believe are meritorious? I think that’s a real question."
I don't think the Bush opponents should take on a "win-at-all-costs" approach. To me a "win-at-all-costs" approach means doing the type of things Bush did to McCain in the South Carolina primary in 2000. A whisper campaign trashing his war record and questioning his moral fidelity.
I do think however that they should stand up and say something when the opportunity arises on issues that are put right in front of them.
Hilary is a perfect example of a politician that hangs back until she sees which way the wind is blowing. It makes her appear to have no stand whether she does or not.
Russ Feingold is the only one right now that really stands up and says what he thinks IMO, and he has been rewarded for it in his election runs with large majorities despite attemps by the Reps to unseat him.
I don't think anybody really wants someone to represent them just because they want the job. I think they want someone who stands for something and isn't afraid to voice it. Someone they agree with on the majority of issues, not someone who just tells them what they want to hear.
I think that the doubts about the UAE are quite justified.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Bush's stubbornness, I wonder whether he isn't expecting a golden handshake once he leaves office, like the two million Reagan got from the Japanese for two 20-minute speeches.
These kinds of questions can be dismissed with the accusation of conspiracy theory or chauvinism, but they are valid speculations and are presented as such. There's nothing paranoid or chauvinist about mistrusting a tiny, secretive feudal elite with known ties to terrorism.
Money and influence always trump security with this outfit.
ReplyDeleteNo doubt. But I've read that Halliburton is another entity that could discharge the responsibilities of a port mgmt contract, and we all know how it would have gone over to award it to them. Really, isn't it likely that most of the prime candidates for a contract like this would have investors from the GOP and even the Admin?
I deeply dislike the idea of portraying this "scandal" as one in which Bush actually is ignoring national security by awarding a contract to an Osama-loving bunch of Ay-rabs. But it seems that it would be extremely fruitful to focus on how his "inherent authority" trumps everything with regard to FISA and spying on U.S. persons, yet only Congress can save us from his decisions regarding port security.
If he is to be totally trusted to spy without judicial oversight and in violation of the express law of Congress, how can anyone not trust him wrt to securing our ports in a time of "war"?
See Atrios on the relationship between the UAE royal family and bin Laden.
ReplyDeleteWhile I think that Democrats should play the game the way it's being played, I don't think that to fight the UAE issue would be dirty politics.
ReplyDeleteThe most fanatical free-traders would think so, but the fanatical free-traders are wrong about lots of things.
While I think that Democrats should play the game the way it's being played, I don't think that to fight the UAE issue would be dirty politics.
ReplyDeleteWhat I'm asking is this - assume that you are someone who does not really believe that these UAE contracts pose a genuine national security threat (you're bothered by the cronyism aspect, by the secrecy part of it, but you don't really believe that we are endangered by these contracts). But assume also that by saying these contracts did post a real threat, you could inflict real political damage on Bush and the Republicans in Congress.
Would you be justified in jumping on this issue and riding it even though you don't really believe that it's as big of a deal as you're making it out to be (the way the GOP has been doing for the last 5 years)?
How about if you knew ahead of time that your decision as to whether to exploit this scandal would be the difference between the Democrats taking over the House in 2006 - then would you be justified in exploiting it (assuming - hypothetically - that you didn't really believe that it was all that serious)?
Scotty just told us that Bush only heard of the deal AFTER it was APROVED by the Administration.
ReplyDeleteWTF!!!
Yahoo!
Should Bush opponents have a "win-at-all-costs" approach whereby they use any and all weapons, or ought they confine their attacks to ones they genuinely and passionately believe are meritorious?
ReplyDeleteYes. Very much yes. Hell yes. And yes again I say.
I don't buy any of this "if you fight monsters you risk becoming one" narrative. Instead, I'm with Orwell: "To survive it is often necessary to fight, and to fight you have to dirty yourself."
The simple fact is that anyone who cares about this country needs to use any and all tools at our disposal to remove those individuals inflicting harm on our way of life, whatever their political stripe. Those people who've lied, cheated, stolen, and scorned deserve everything they have coming to them and more. And, in as much as we can, we should make sure they get it.
Another aspect of this story that hasn't gotten much play is the fact that we had to go to a foreign company to manage our domestic ports. It ties into the whole story of the decline in domestic American businesses.
ReplyDeleteWell, I was against this all, but then saw that some insiders were probably making money hands-over-fists on the deal....
ReplyDeleteSo it is business as usual, REPUBLICAN business as usual and all is good in america
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I love how the even larger issue of 'out-sourcing' is just glossed over like it's wonderful that most US ports are run by forgeign countries and companies, except of course the evil United Arab Emirates.
But it's OK to out source everything else, including the transport of military material to the battlefield.
Wow, if Bushit/Rovesputin can make this one stick, the sky will be the limit.
I was over at emptywheels post on the new 'Feudal System" being pushed by Bushit & Co. Seems the word fascist does not accurately describe Big Dick/Rovesputin/Little Dick and their posse.
I've always viewed Bushit as more of a low rent gangster than an idealogue. After all, you actually have to have some ideals to be an idealogue.
Joe six pack doesn't even comprehend what the 'feudel system' was. He/she doesn't know or care about history and couldn't remember it 5 minutes after you tells them about it anyway.
I think this is the meme behind the radio thing being talked about here. Radio represents the concept of "Constant Re-enforcement of Memes". The average person has no use for most ideas other than the mundane ones that get them through their daily routine.
I think the average working stiff just might cotton up to the concept of Bushit et al plunging the US and the world into 'endless war' and debt as the dawning of a new "Futile System". But only if they hear it Constantly during their daily routine, to make up for their lack of memory and/or concentration.
You know, where you have to work twice as hard each year for the same living standard and there is no end in sight.
They will only remember the Feudalism Meme if they hear it Constantly during their daily routine, to make up for their lack of memory and/or concentration.
People have told me that I'm too harsh on the average person's lack of memory and knowledge of history. Please,
the new "Feudalists/Monarchists" of the international/transnational Corporate Crime Family remember Everything in 'history's playbook' and they are pulling the same old crap on us now that has been used for milleniums.
I alway remember John Lennon's song "Working Class Hero":
'..a working class hero is something to be, but you're all fucking peasants as far as I can see...'
Geez, sounds like something Cheney would say in his sneering, condesending attitude.
A strange place we've come to when the working hero comment sounds like Bigtime Dick said it.
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Gentleman Jim
"Win at all costs" may be useful, but it would be a shame for Democrats to adopt that strategy before taking a shot at beating their opponents fair and square. Right now, the Republicans stand contorted, naked, and frozen, thanks to the Bush administration's uncontrollable apetites. Maybe this is the moment when the gears lock in the whack-a-mole administration, and all the obvious targets sit paralyzed, hoping no one will notice.
ReplyDeleteAll of this could argue for a win-at-all-costs, unprincipled attack, but think about the opportunity for building a lasting, principled rejection of Republican excess. The Democrats and those who would rather not join them can build alliances, sharpen their skills, and strengthen their intellects by taking on the crackpots without sinking to their level.
Without resorting to distortions, lies, and ad hominem attacks, principled opposition can realize its potential, with lasting benefit to the nation. Remember, once we get rid of these bloodthirsty thieves, we have to clean up their mess.
So here is what I hope to see: Engage the Republicans at every level. Question their motives. Do not take their arguments seriously. Be pugnacious. Keep your facts straight. Don't give an inch. Don't forgive anything until justice reigns.
Remember: Everywhere you look, you'll discover that they don't have a leg to stand on. Every lie is the seed of its own destruction. Their only weapon is power, and it's power that they have stolen from you.
Consider the dignity to be gained from delivering a punch in the nose rather than a knife in the back.
I don't think it's ever advisable to use intellectualy disingenuous means to argue one's point; in other words, if one really believes the port deal is a genuine threat to national security, say so, but if one has doubts--as I do--that any real inherent danger is involved, say so forthrightly. One can certainly make valid points about the hypocrisy of this administrations's fear mongering even as it it gives sweetheart crony deals to people whom we now have been taught to fear. One can also argue that, if you're going to cede ultimate authority to the President, you can't pick and choose where he can exercise his ultimate authority. You have to accept that by your surrender of your proper role in governmental decision making, you've created a new king, and made yourself redundant. It's also a perfect illustration of the dangers inherent in a partisan Congress transferring its legitimate authority to the President it likes; when the next President comes along, one it doesn't like, they cannot then call back the authority they have already surrendered.
ReplyDeleteOne can be intellectually consistent and yet argue with force. When one begins to make expedient arguments, one will tend to become sloppy with one's standards of argument and of behavior--as the Republicans have done, over many years--and one also opens oneself up to legitimate accusations of hypocrisy. The end result will be the hunkering down into their own fixed positions of the (two) predominant sides, with everyone cynically spinning and arguing not for truth, but to win.
As for the previous poster's comment about "was it really worth impeaching Clinton over a blow job?" No, the impeachment was for his having committed perjury about that blowjob. I had a revelation as I watched Clinton, on the eve of his impeachment vote in Congress, announce on television with grave sincerity that he was launching a missle strike on Iraq. I thought, he has the same manner and earnest seriousness as he displayed when he lied and said "he had not had sex with that women, Ms. Lewinsky." In that moment, I realized that, once having been caught in a lie, one can never believe the President again. When he says he must put Americans in harm's way, how can we believe him? When he says he must (fill in the blank), how can we believe him? (Given Bush's serial instances of--charitably--misleading the nation, Congress, and the world, I find it inconceivable that ANYONE takes ANYTHING he says with ANY seriousness whatsoever.)That Clinton was reckless enough to perjure himself before Congress certainly warranted the impeachment proceeding.
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteYou asked in your note, "Would you be justified in jumping on this issue and riding it even though you don't really believe that it's as big of a deal as you're making it out to be (the way the GOP has been doing for the last 5 years)?"
In a word, yes. And for all the reasons we've all written about. I don't want to sound a like nutcase, but our whole way of life as a democratic republic is at stake. The Republicans want power the same as any totalitarian government. With the cult thing and all that, they act like the old Soviets. Therefore, we who hold everything sacred about the constitution and the bill of rights, must fight fire with fire. There are limits I would go, but on the question you asked, Yes, I'd exploit it cynically.
If the Democrats had been doing that for the past five years, maybe we wouldn't be as bad off as we are.
Glen said:
ReplyDelete"What I'm asking is this - assume that you are someone who does not really believe that these UAE contracts pose a genuine national security threat (you're bothered by the cronyism aspect, by the secrecy part of it, but you don't really believe that we are endangered by these contracts). But assume also that by saying these contracts did post a real threat, you could inflict real political damage on Bush and the Republicans in Congress.
Would you be justified in jumping on this issue and riding it even though you don't really believe that it's as big of a deal as you're making it out to be (the way the GOP has been doing for the last 5 years)?
How about if you knew ahead of time that your decision as to whether to exploit this scandal would be the difference between the Democrats taking over the House in 2006 - then would you be justified in exploiting it (assuming - hypothetically - that you didn't really believe that it was all that serious)?"
To me that is pandering and a really slippery slope that can only lead to the political landscape we have today where people like myself don't go to the polls to vote because they believe in someone, but because they are settling for the lesser of two evils.
Both evils are on the highway to hell, the only difference being that one is driving 55 and the other is going 70.
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ReplyDeleteThe bigger issue which needs to be addressed if this issue has any validity in bringing BushCo down is the race card that's been pulled by Bush and supported by every Arab-Muslim source quoted in the articles I've read. From what I understand, there really isn't more than an ownership stake changing hands here. I think an argument could be made for secrecy, or that the administration is running on automatic pilot and Bush doesn't care about his Congressional peers enough to make them aware of what deals he's approving, but reading comments from here last night as well as AP articles on Yahoo and elsewhere, I just don't really see a tangible connection to foreign ownership and national security. UAE isn't going to roll up a ship of 10,000 employees from their shores and take over security checkpoints. On the other hand, in the absence of this, it's clearly some sort of ethnic bias to assume that foreign ownership in this case does lead to a national security threat when the port assets were held by a foreign company to begin with, and at least out here in Los Angeles, many port asets are held by countries (namely China) that have clearly been engaged in industrial and defense technology espionage. I think unless this contradictory attitude can be adjusted, this is a thorny issue that could backfire.
ReplyDeleteI'm with Digby in playing smart, but not dirty. The Repug playbook is not so hard to read—we have lots of experience with how they operate—and IF the Dems are smart they will get ahead of the curve (a big IF, I know).
ReplyDeleteAs to the specific question of whether the Dems should pursue an insincere claim of security violation in the Portgate issue, that could come back to haunt them badly. They are however absolutely right to demand thorough investigation of this whole thing, and if the Repugs cave in to Bush and bury it, then the Dems have a legitimate issue of collusion in Re: national security that they should exploit. The voters will understand that argument.
Yes, I think that if the Democrats see a chance to get an unfair advantage on an issue, they should take it, the way that Republicans have been doing repeatedly at least since Gingich became majority leader.
ReplyDeleteIf it involves committing to a harmful policy on some important issue it's a different question, and I'd say probably not.
Some of those arguing most vehemently against demagoguing this issue are, as I recall, also those who think that the Democrats should move to the right for reasons of political expediency. To me supporting the death penalty for expedient reasons is a much worse offense than doing a lot of misleading huffing and puffing about a relatively insignificant issue. When something happens to fall our way like this, as has seldom happened recently, we certainly can't afford to kick it away.
But as I said, I think that this is a real issue, though we probably should let the Republicans do all the heavy lifting. (I'm a free-trade skeptic, so I don't have the dilemma here that many do).
Bush is now claiming that he didn't know about the deal until after it was appoved. So why threaten the veto?
ReplyDelete(I ask because I really want to know)
cronyism connections are (at least partially) what drove this transaction originally and what is driving Bush’s oddly emphatic commitment to it now.
ReplyDeleteThis transaction had nothing to do with the Bush administration because the deal was between Dubai Ports and the British company P&O. It's pretty pathetic that, considering the almost countless number of corrupt back deals the Bushies are involved in, the Dems are focusing on the ostensible cronyism of the one business deal that has nothing to do with Bush cronyism. You can always count on the Dems to have political tin ear. Prepare for the backfire.
I highly recommend reading this article in the Guardian for some background about the P&O deal and Dubai's bid to become a maritime superpower. In that article you'll discover that a state-owned Singapore company desperately wanted to buy P&O, but Dubai Ports outbid them. It was a fairly conducted bidding war that added 80% to the value of P&O's shares. Does that sound like cronyism? This isn't a story about cronyism, it's a story about free trade.
And anybody who has paid the slightest bit of attention to this story, with the possible exception of Chuck Schumer (who of course is a brilliant tactician, as we have seen with his stellar results with Miers and Alito), knows that port security operations will be run exactly the same no matter who manages the port (btw, this isn't about owning the port, it's about managing the port). I have a friend who does cargo inspection at one of the ports in question, and she'll be conducting herself exactly the same next year as she was last year, no matter which foreign company manages the port's operations.
No, this isn't about port security, it's about barely veiled racism. Shame on the Dems for exploiting that.
To me, this smells like the Dems trying to out-Rove Rove and failing miserably. Don't be someone you're not, it'll never work politically.
There could have been a real story here, not based on racism. That story is: port security, as conducted by the Coast Guard, is a total joke, and not a very funny one. It's an open secret that cargo inspection is cursory at best, and Bush and the Department of Homeland Security are actually imperiling our national security by not having beefed up port security since 9/11. But that's slightly complicated, whereas anti-Arab racism is nice and easy.
Actually, Clinton didn't commit perjury. If you remember, he was given a definition of sex by the prosecutor which (deliberately) did not include oral sex. It was a carefully laid trap. Just for the record.
ReplyDeleteGlenn observed:
ReplyDelete(1) It is really quite astounding to watch Congressional Republicans fall all over themselves advocating legislation, on the grounds of national security, to force the President to reverse his decision about who is going to operate our ports. Many of these same Republicans have been defending Bush’s violations of FISA on the ground that Congress lacks constitutional authority to restrict or regulate the President’s Article II power to act unilaterally with regard to matters
of national security.
Please...
This issue falls squarely under Congress's power to regulate trade under the Commerce Clause and the President reviewed and approved this acquisition under a previously existing statute, not pursuant to his authority as CiC.
If anything, this is yet another example that puts the lie to the claim that the President claims the power to do anything so long as it relates in some way to national security.
(2) Every time Bush speaks about terrorism, his contempt for the notion that Congress has any meaningful role to play in national security is palpable. Bluememe yesterday insightfully observed that the language Bush used when asked about this issue glaringly reveals this contempt:
Bush took the rare step of calling reporters to his conference room on Air Force One after returning from a speech in Colorado. He also stopped to talk before television cameras after he returned to the White House."I can understand why some in Congress have raised questions about whether or not our country will be less secure as a result of this transaction," the president said. "But they need to know that our government has looked at this issue and looked at it carefully."
Got that? There's Congress on the one hand. And what Bush considers "our Government" on the other. And never the twain shall meet.
The language is completely accurate. Congress delegated this review by its own statute statute to the executive.
(3) The substance of this controversy to the side, it is quite clear this is going to be a politically harmful episode for Bush personally, if not for Congressional Republicans as a whole. It seems highly unlikely that Congressional Republicans will hand Democrats a tougher-on-terrorism platform in the middle of an election year. That means that either Bush will have to back down from his veto threat and do a Miers-like reversal (a reversal which was unthinkable for the first four years of his Presidency), or stay resolute about effectuating this deal and ensure a public and serious split between him and the Republican Congress.
You may want to recall that Mr. Clinton made his political living triangulating against the Dem members of Congress.
Mr. Bush isn't running for office again. He can suck up the political hit and do the right thing by standing up against this xenophobic lynch mob from both parties.
I don't anticipate the same political courage from the Congressional Elephants. The righty talking heads all want to scuttle this deal except for a couple notable examples like Limbaugh.
Too bad. This whole thing is shameful.
(4) There is no shortage of speculation about why Bush is so insistent about proceeding with this deal even in the face of the intense political difficulty it is creating. If George Bush has one unbending belief (besides the limitlessness of his own power), it’s his belief in doing business deals, especially those which reward people and entities whom he wants to reward. Cronyism pervades virtually everything this Administration does – from the reconstruction of Iraq to the Kartrina-ravaged Gulf Coast, and, of course, at the very core of the political appointment process in Washington.
There is no economic reward for him, the party or the country in this deal.
Maybe Bush is simply trying to keep this country's alliance against al Qeada in one piece without needlessly insulting this allies.
People, think for a moment how difficult it is to keep the heads of some of these countries on board when sizable segments of their populations are sympathetic if not outright supporters of the Islamic Fascist movement and they risk their lives every day when they support the US.
And maybe, just maybe, the President is simply doing the right thing in standing up against the xenophibic lynch mob.
So if, as has been reported, Bush didn't know about this deal until it was done, does this mean that "our government" includes neither Congress nor Bush? Talk about inspiring confidence!
ReplyDeleteWould you be justified in jumping on this issue and riding it even though you don't really believe that it's as big of a deal as you're making it out to be (the way the GOP has been doing for the last 5 years)?
ReplyDeleteNo, because it involves racism and disingenuousness.
The exploitation of anti-Arab racism I object to on moral grounds.
The disingenuousness I object to on realpolitik grounds. If after a little investigation we can figure out that national security is not imperiled by Dubai Ports buying the British company that previously managed the ports, then so can our political opponents. They could then use that bad faith against us. Pragmatically, it's just not a smart gambit.
I'm all for cynicism when it comes to politics, but why not cynically exploit a legitimate weakness? That's the difference between a political success and a political backfire.
the larger and more important point about the dispute over managing u.s. port facilites is that
ReplyDeleteit probably marks the end of bush's and his administration's "fuck you; we'll do what we want" approach to governing the u.s.
an avalanche of disappropbation has been forming over the last year.
the war lies are the wet, unstable layer that will allow the snow above to slide.
the NSA spying
the cheney hunting incident
and now
the P&O ports management fuss
have each provided a pulse of energy to start the avalanche moving.
the key political significance of this matter is not that it is a bad or a good decision from a management or even a security standpoint.
the significance is that ordinary citizens who don't pay close attention to much that happens in government can easily grasp one possible implication of this deal:
that it ain't good for the united states to have a foreign, and, as illuck would have it, an arab, country "managing our ports".
this is an issue that folks everywhere along our american political spectrum can agree "doesn't make sense".
so
is it the case that the power of bush&admin is now in the advanced stages of being reduced or destroyed?
testing is easy.
let's see how often in the next few months bush and his admin try to do something and get knocked around by public opinion.
how often
the teevee news businessmen and women (matthews, russell, et al) or
the republican media propagandists (will, krauthammer, hiatt, limbaugh, hannity, tiernney, brooks, coulter, et al) or
the cowed/suborned newspaper reporters/columnists (kurtz, schmidtt, bumiller,vanderhei, broder, cohen, et al)
attack an administration postion.
i'm betting it will become a frequent occurence.
then
either
bush fires people like rove, addington, and mcclellan and replaces them with people who know how to co-operate and compromise
or
his presidency slides to virtually complete irrelevance
or
he returns again to the well of war.
Posted by: orionATL | February 22, 2006 at 08:57 AM
posted previously at brad delong's
2001-2006: FIVE WASTED YEARS
It's not "barely veiled racism" to be suspicious of a UAE-controlled company. The UAE, like Saudi Arabia, is a very peculiar place with a lot of dubious affiliations. Let's avoid the kneejerking, please.
ReplyDeleteWe don't know whether or not Bush has a personal stake in this. By the time we know for sure where his golden handshakes will come from, he'll be out of office.
I can't refute the claims that what's actually happening doesn't amount to anything at all and has nothing to do with Bush, but I take them with a grain of salt since they come mixed in with a torrent of other stuff.
As I've said, if Bush's house of cards collapses for the wrong reason, that's fine. But I do not concede that this is a non-issue, the way I see it being argued here.
The idea that this issue might backfire politically strikes me as ludicrous. Free-traders are an elite group, not a powerful voting bloc.
ReplyDeleteBart expounds on Con Law:
ReplyDeleteThis issue falls squarely under Congress's power to regulate trade under the Commerce Clause and the President reviewed and approved this acquisition under a previously existing statute, not pursuant to his authority as CiC.
I keep trying to find something to say in response to this, but it is so stupid on so many levels, I am paralyzed trying to know where to even begin.
C'mon, Glenn. Don't expect intellectual consistency (or anything that even approaches deep thinking) from the Cult'O'Dubya.
ReplyDeleteCheers,
Interesting article, but in response to the claim that Bush does have the authority to make these type of executive decisions, what are we to make of the claims that he didn't know about the port transfers until after it was approved? Doesn't sound like someone at the helm, there.
ReplyDelete(cf: http://today.reuters.com/investing/financeArticle.aspx?type=bondsNews&storyID=URI:urn:newsml:reuters.com:20060222:MTFH98326_2006-02-22_16-26-25_N22386720:1
Numerous Bush followers in the blogosphere and elsewhere are joyously citing Republican opposition to Bush’s port deal as proof that Republicans do stand up to Bush, have a mind of their own, and are therefore exonerated of the charge that they have transformed their political movement into a cult of blind loyalty unburdened by political principles.
ReplyDeleteI find this argument rather amusing.
See, Republicans only support Bush 98% of the time, which clearly makes them independant, and not blind loyalists.
My only question is "what war?" This is not a war, even if you erroneously mis-label it as a war.
ReplyDeleteAnd, I note that the administration does not, when it suits their purpose, act as if this is a war. Otherwise we'd have a far different Gitmo.
It's not "barely veiled racism" to be suspicious of a UAE-controlled company. The UAE, like Saudi Arabia, is a very peculiar place with a lot of dubious affiliations. Let's avoid the kneejerking, please.
ReplyDeleteHow is it knee-jerking? Is any accusation of racism knee-jerk? What about if it actually is racism at play? I don't make that charge lightly. I've followed the media coverage of Portgate very closely. As my co-blogger blogged today,
The excuse I keep reading for why this is different than the London company now doing this security work is that Dubai Port World is a state-owned company. Well that's crap. We have nothing to fear from the UAE as a state antagonist, and there's no way in hell they'd try to choke off our ports. And other than that, how does being state-owned in any way differ from any other UAE-based company? No, clearly the fear is that some Arab terrorist will infiltrate our port security because the company is based in an Arab nation.
I highly recommend you read this Guardian piece to learn more about Dubai. The fact that you wrote "UAE-controlled company" suggests you might not be aware of the structure of the UAE. Each Emirate has an individual ruler, and the UAE is governed by an elected council from the various Emirates. Dubai is unique among the Emirates, and it is in fact historically somewhat antagonist to the largest Emirate, Abu Dhabi -- Portgate is about Dubai, not the UAE in toto. Dubai, not the UAE as a whole, is angling to be the fulcrum of the future global trading and financial system.
My problem with going all out to bring down the Bush administration is that, at the moment, it is like filling up on soup because you didn’t know there was steak.
ReplyDeleteThe congressional Republican’s response to the port deal is proof positive that the Bush administration is now a lame duck. Our political goal here should be to keep the administration fighting rear-guard to prevent it from doing more damage to the country, period. Let’s not get fixated on Bush just as he’s about to be tossed overboard by “movement Republicans”.
Meanwhile, we have a golden opportunity to negatively brand the Republican Party for a generation or more. We all know that it isn’t just Bush, or Cheney, or the neo-conservatives that are the problem with American politics and society, it’s the Republican Party as it has existed since Goldwater.
And here’s the beauty of it: we don’t have to “be like them” (i.e., lie, smear and spin) to trash the Republican brand the way they’ve trashed the Democrat brand. We only have to tell the truth.
Repeat after me:
Republicans don’t believe in government (they’ve said so); they only seek political office to undermine government and reward their cronies.
Republicans don’t believe in government (they’ve said so) so, naturally, they’re incompetent using it to serve and protect the public.
Republicans hate Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid; they’re lying when they say they want to protect these programs.
Republicans pander to people’s worst emotions and divide Americans against each other for political gain.
Republicans cheat to get political power, mostly by lying about and surreptitiously smearing their opponents.
Republicans have no new ideas about governing (tax cuts and war aren’t very new ideas) they have only false ideology designed to justify dismantling government’s ability to help average Americans.
Republicans want to make policy by coercion and strong-arm tactics (autocracy), rather than by seeking consensus and compromise (democracy).
I could go on but you get the idea. All provably true by their own words and all damning of the Republican Party. It’s a brand they can wear until they reform themselves back the party of Eisenhower.
Republicans have done a lot of damage to the country in 5 long years. Democrats are going to need strong public support for much longer than that just to get us back to where we were before they took power – if that’s still even possible. Let’s not blow this chance to show them for what they are.
(And apologies to those Republicans who still believe in good government and haven’t pandered to racism, homophobia or religious zealotry, or participated in the relentless smears of Democrats and liberals)
"The trick, of course, is to craft good legal definitions. The lawyers for Paula Jones badly bungled their definition of sexual relations, coming up with one that did not include oral sex performed on Clinton. (More on this below.) Clinton answered absolutely truthfully; according to that legal definition of "sexual relations," he did not have sex with Ms. Lewinsky.
ReplyDelete"Many critics have exploded with rage over this, accusing the president of perjury. Oral sex is obviously sex, they claim. However, their argument is based on the common-sense definition of sex, which both teams of lawyers explicitly rejected. They agreed to a legal definition instead. One cannot simultaneously reject a common-sense definition of sex and then use it to disparage Clinton’s answer.
Paula Jones' lawyer crafted this definition deliberately so that Clinton's accurate answer could be used against him in the court of public opinion.
see here
In case the Guardian article is too long, here's one of the money shots:
ReplyDelete[The Port of Dubai] is the port most visited by the US navy outside the United States.
Like almost everything of any significance in Dubai, the port system belongs to the state, or to the Maktoums, the ruling family. The two are indistinguishable, and in some ways, Dubai is like Poundbury writ large - and rich: a princely vision of how the world might be. The Maktoums came here as Bedouin chieftains in the 1820s, to a small, palm-fringed trading creek, where political control was in the hands of the British. Only in 1971 did Dubai gain independence as part of the United Arab Emirates. It was already known that Abu Dhabi, by far the biggest and richest of the Emirates, was sitting on a vast mineral reserve. At current rates of production, Abu Dhabi has more than 120 years' supply of oil and gas still untapped. Dubai is nothing like so well endowed, and so from the 1960s onwards, the Maktoums have been consciously shaping Dubai as the trading and financial motor of the Emirates, and the Dubai ports system is central to their vision.
Dubai sits on the all-important strategic routeway of the modern world: China, India, Middle East, Europe and the US. That is where the money is going to be. China has just become the third biggest economy in the world and it is the fastest growing. India is set for its own acceleration. The Maktoum plan is to make Dubai the centre of a global strategic network of port facilities to rival Singapore and the huge Hong Kong-based conglomerate of Hutchison-Whampoa. They have been acquiring hard and fast and now control massive facilities in China, Hong Kong, Australia, South Korea, India, Yemen, Djibouti, Saudi Arabia, Romania, Germany and Latin America. In a profoundly symbolic move, Dubai Ports are now manoeuvring to make a bid for the great harbours in southern Iraq.
They want more, and that desire for global control is what lies behind their bidding war for P&O, the British ports and shipping combine, which has a powerful European presence (including the giant London Gateway, planned to be Britain's biggest container port at Thurrock on the Thames), exactly what Dubai wants. Singapore wanted it too and the two commercial city states' rival bids drove up the price, adding 80% to the value of P&O's shares and valuing the company at a reported $6.8bn (just short of £4bn), an unprecedented 40 times P&O's profits last year. At the weekend, Singapore pulled out and all the signs are that when P&O's shareholders vote today, they will accept Dubai's offer. This bid alone is a measure of the hunger, the money and the drive of what is happening in the emirate.
I have a few mundane questions which i've not yet seen addressed...
ReplyDelete1) How much is this deal worth?
2) Assuming that it's pretty lucrative, for none other than practical reasons, wouldn't it be sensible to cut a deal with a US company which would, y'know, have to pay taxes to the US government? Or does a foreign company have to pay full US taxes regardless of where the company is based (as I have to pay taxes in states where I earn $, regardless of whether or not I live in them)?
3) Why is everything privatized? Our government seems to be the most enormous bureaucracy imaginable, yet it seems to have fewer and fewer actual jobs to perform on behalf of the country; what on earth do all those people do anymore (other than stifle the few remaining public servants who are trying to serve the public - silly lawyers & scientists who are still interested in furthering the causes of law and science)?
"Bush defenders will argue the opposite: that what Bush did was, in his opinion, in the best interest of the country, while what Clinton was in the best interest of himself only."
ReplyDeleteBush defenders will argue all sorts of nonsense - what choice do they have if they're to defend Bush?
I would argue that the president, defending himself against a partisan witch-hunt that distracted and embarrassed the nation, is also acting in the public's interest. I would also argue that Bush's actions smack as much of pride and power-seeking, as they do, "the best interests of the nation".
I think the idea for Dems or those who are anti-Administration is to make the issue about Bush and the Repubs, not about the UAE.
ReplyDeleteThe truth is that we don't HAVE to lie or even distort: there are plenty of legit QUESTIONS we can ask -- not the least of which is why was the legally mandated 45 day wait on the deal blown off by the Administration.
And what's wrong with educating people about the Bush Administration's relationship and history with the UAE? Inquiring minds want to know -- why not just tell them?
Simply asking these questions stirs the pot just fine. Taking advantage of 'racism'? Well, the Bushies have since 9-11, and now it's biting them in the ass. I don't have a problem with Arabs, but a lot of Bush supporters do, and let this Black man tell you: "playing fair" is NOT going to make that racism go away.
So why not let them be hoist on their petards, and take the opportunity to ask very leading questions about unchecked, uninformed and unscrupulous Presidential power?
- mercury
“Sometimes I get criticism from my readers for suggesting that the Democrats must play on the same playing field as the Republicans.”
ReplyDeleteI see Mr. Greenwald is preparing a preliminary draft of his “Gulf of Tonkin” resolution for the war on Republicans:
“If Democrats have an opportunity to inflict serious political harm on the Administration ... through a scandal which may not be truly meritorious but can be a potent political weapon ... ought Democrats ... use whatever instruments they can to politically harm the Administration, even if there is some cynicism involved in doing so...?”
How quaint. As if this were a hypothetical and not an historical reference. Democrats have cynically launched a thousand scandal-ships over the last five years (“Bush lied” being the most egregious). So now we are treated to pious maundering about whether ‘tis better to take up arms against a sea of troubles... Well, “Ham-wald”, old Yorick has been dead these many years. “Yorick” being any hesitancy whatsoever by many Democrats to take any opportunity they could to harm the Administration, meritorious or not. Save for a few fools like Lieberman.
Speaking as an independent looking for ways to be comfortable voting for more Democrats, I would love it if they would stop pandering to their far left base in the cynical way that Mr. Greenwald so perfectly describes and pursue only real issues on which they can offer a true alternative. I see the claims on both sides and, believe me, the Democrats are being beaten soundly by their own incoherence and lack of cohesion more than by the dirty tricks they have been able to pin on the Republicans. Joining the Kossaks will lose the Democrats their only hope for the centrist votes they need to get the job done. Rove hopes that you do.
Bart said
ReplyDeleteSome Idiot said; "I find it amusing that Bart can claim down to be up and up to be down one day, if Bush declares it so, when just a day earlier up was up, and down was down according to Bush, which Bart also defended."
There you go again. Why do you hate Bush so much? Up is down and down is up. I see no contradiction. I find 6 Court cases that clearly uphold the POTUS' power to declare down up, and up down. Congress has no oversight over up and down. Unless Bush says they do, in which case they then do. but only in that case. Unless Bush changes his mind. I find 12 court cases that say congress has no oversight unless they do. As determined by the President.
I get so tired of having to set you idiots straight every day. When will you finally see that Bush is right in all cases, even when he's wrong. Unless he says different. In which case he's right again.
Some of you are reading too much into this; I don't see Rove as the diabolical Geppetto of this one. I just think that every once in a while, Bush does something so astoundingly wrong-headed that it even repulses the NeoCons. Miers was one, this was another, and... ummmm... well, okay, TWICE the NeoCons were repulsed. Understandable, since they're kinda busy being repulsed by Hillary 24/7. Anyway, I think the third time Bush ticks them off, they'll start calling him a lib'ral, too. (But the real story here is that Bush claims he didn't know about the deal until it was signed; granted, a micro-manager he isn't, but all these years after 9/11 and nobody is telling the President, and he's not smart enough to ask, what's going on with our ports????)
ReplyDeleteWould you be justified in jumping on this issue and riding it even though you don't really believe that it's as big of a deal as you're making it out to be (the way the GOP has been doing for the last 5 years)?(/i)
ReplyDeleteHow about if you knew ahead of time that your decision as to whether to exploit this scandal would be the difference between the Democrats taking over the House in 2006 - then would you be justified in exploiting it (assuming - hypothetically - that you didn't really believe that it was all that serious)?
Glenn: What makes this blog worth reading, and the reason for the loyal readership of your commenters, both those who agree and disagree, is your refreshing, candid and intellectually honest posts and harassment of intellectually dishonest bloggers.
Knowingly hamming it up to achieve a desired outcome makes one just as contemptible, and worse, boring, as those you've been attacking. It's a cave-in to the stultifying political culture that has been making us all nauseous for years.
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteThere are two exceptions to the "Whatever-Bush-does-is-OK" rule.
Abortion (Harriet Myers)
Racism (The port scandal; immigration reform)
And since Bush-Rove (that phrase reminds me of "Master-Blaster" from "Mad Max:Beyond Thunderdome") has shamelessly pandered to these people for 6 years, it's poetic justice whenever they screw up his plans.
“Sometimes I get criticism from my readers for suggesting that the Democrats must play on the same playing field as the Republicans.”
ReplyDeleteI see Mr. Greenwald is preparing a preliminary draft of his “Gulf of Tonkin” resolution for the war on Republicans:
“If Democrats have an opportunity to inflict serious political harm on the Administration ... through a scandal which may not be truly meritorious but can be a potent political weapon ...Democrats ... [ought to]use whatever instruments they can to politically harm the Administration...”
How quaint. As if this were a hypothetical and not a historical reference. Democrats have cynically launched a thousand scandal-ships over the last five years over the slightest pretext (“Bush lied” being the most egregious). So now we are treated to pious maundering about whether '‘tis better to take up arms against a sea of troubles...' Well, “Mr. Ham-wald”, old "Yorick" has been dead these many years. “Yorick” being any hesitancy whatsoever by many Democrats to take any opportunity they could to harm the Administration, meritorious or not. Save for a few "fools" like Lieberman. And yes, it is a turnoff to all who are not in the choir. That wasted time and effort could be spent coming up with better alternatives.
Speaking as an independent looking for ways to be comfortable voting for more Democrats, I would love it if they would stop pandering to their far left base in the cynical way that Mr. Greenwald so perfectly describes and pursue only real issues on which they can offer a true alternative. I see the claims on both sides and, believe me, the Democrats are being beaten soundly by their own incoherence and incohesiveness more than by the dirty tricks they have been able to pin on the Republicans. Joining the Kossaks will lose the Democrats their only hope for the centrist votes they need to get the job done. Rove hopes that you do.
The trouble with getting a reputation as a reasonable moderate it that it draws flies.
ReplyDelete"How quaint. As if this were a hypothetical and not an historical reference. Democrats have cynically launched a thousand scandal-ships over the last five years (“Bush lied” being the most egregious)."
And this Notherbob wants the Democrats to pander to HIM. Sorry, Moderate Notherbob, the Democrats have been pandering to you for years, and it hasn't worked.
And then there's Clenis people, still crazy after all those years.
Greetings Glenn.
ReplyDeleteI came across your blog a few days ago and was Impressed by the high-level of discussion and wanted to wiegh in on what the Dems should do, even though I am niether Republican or Democrat.
I believe that the Dems should gain the moral high-ground here. As the latest polls( I will learn how to link articles later)and survey's show, the dems are no more preferable than the Repubs therefore, using the same tactics will be of no avail. It would be a simple choice of the same thing.
All bush has is fear. America needs to be reminded that this country is built on moral foundations and Characteristics involving Integrity(as shown by our founders), strength, self-sacrifice, resistence to tyranny that can only be labeled as courage, equity and justice which led us to liberty and freedom from tyranny.
The dems need to show a dichotomy between themselves and the current administration for a clear and better choice for America.
the bush "vision" for America, as we keep being reminded, is paranoia and fear. This is nothing hopeful or desirable for anyone. Bush sets the tone and this is why the dems can't seem to get out of his way.
This country deperately needs to be reminded of where it came from and why and how. These American Ideals and principles need to be loudly and forcefully shouted from the "rooftops" so we can regain what we have lost under bush's heel. At the same time the dems need to strongly reveal bush's increasing failure's as a comparison to what we once were and what we have become.
I believe this is what they need to do.
meamccitizen
Glenn asked
ReplyDelete"Would you be justified in jumping on this issue and riding it even though you don't really believe that it's as big of a deal as
you're making it out to be (the way the GOP has been doing for the last 5 years)?"
Tough question.
My short answer is yes.
My long answer is sure, but don't flog it like it's the only issue.
While election campaigns, and political discourse historically, have been dirty, mudslinging slime fests since their beginnings, those directly involved have always attempted to portray 'public service' as a humble duty, selflessly assumed in the name of better government. The floor of the U.S. Senate is supposedly a forum of even higher standards where courteous discussions are held by
polite, rational people.
On the ground, however, the realities bear witness to far scarier tactics and behaviour. One glaring example is the criminal conviction of James Tobin in New England, who worked with other Republicans to jam Democrats' phone lines on election day 2002. Other examples can be the voter challenges made by Republicans in predominantly African-American districts known for electing Democrats.
The Democrats have light years to go if they're hoping to out dirty-trick the GOP. When compared to Republican backroom maneuvers, criticism of the DPW deal is entirely legitimate, if not ultra-double-super-not-secret legitimate, even if one personally doesn't see the deal as a genuine security threat, like me. Election campaigns, like wars, should be fought on all fronts.
John Kerry's 2004 campaign was not fought on all fronts. Where was the environment? Where was health care? Where was education, stem cell research, cronyism, oil industry insiders rewriting scientific documents pre-publication, border security, human rights, torture, auditors in Iraq, cherry-picking intelligence, or uncontrolled spending matched with unparalleled tax cuts for the have-mores? While a few merited the odd mention, even in the debates, the Democrats spent most of the campaign disputing allegations their purple heart winner wasn't a 'real' war hero. When you can barely get out of the gate without stumbling, one can only charge forward or get held back. The well timed Swift boating of John Kerry was allowed to hold his candidacy back because he failed at dismissing that issue at its birth, when it deserved to be confronted head on with all of his strength, real or imagined.
With his campaign being pulled by the GOP towards the 'National Security' bug lamp, he happily flew into the trap. Was it the most important issue of the campaign? Certainly. That it become the only issue because the GOP successfully sold it to a pliable media I am equally certain. Did John Kerry respond with strength and mirror the GOP's disdain with a "Hey, I SERVED MY COUNTRY, did you" followed by a biting criticism of everything Bush has done? Not that I saw. The pliable media responded by replaying the "Let me tell you why I voted for...before I voted against it" as much as they could. We can't all have the succinct, personable wit of a Bill Clinton, but there were many opportunities for Kerry to deliver sound bites highlighting Bush's incompetence that were squandered, if not largely wasted by bloviating speeches with no discernable, effective, sound bite.
To reiterate my point, before sharing my thoughts on the DPW deal below, I must repeat this answer: Election campaigns, like wars, should be fought on all fronts. Just don't bet the farm on it.
While a state company controlling the ports of your country seems odd, the issue could be more about the positions taken by that foreign government, for instance the UAE doesn't recognize Israel. Considering how many decades have passed with Israel's existence, it speaks volumes about a nation in the same region that pretends it doesn't exist. This contract (or its protection) could be used to push the government of the UAE into a more moderate stance on many of its regional issues, a change that would be widely acknowledged in the western world as a positive step towards diplomatic ties, and peace.
Opposing the deal on grounds of race is not something civilized individuals can endorse.
Allegations of terrorism, or any impropriety, leveled at the government of the UAE are valid, but without any evidence are too easily repudiated. The UAE is a country, and the government simply cannot be held accountable just because one or more of its citizens act in support of Al Qaeda. Any who wish to argue this point should think twice - many despicable acts have been committed by U.S. citizens, and recent history has shown many have been employed by the U.S. government. I believe strongly that all civilized countries should empower the International Criminal Court, which the U.S. refuses to do.
Other aspects of international law, however, the U.S. government endorses. Finance, trade, treaties, the U.S. government wants binding agreements that can be enforced with a well structured, and defined, system. The DPW deal falls under trade. Greater competition among international organizations, with experience and expertise in particular areas, like running a busy port (or 6), can only provide greater value to the entity (USA) who picks the winner. While tendered contracts haven't been a strong suit of Bushco, and I haven't read that this deal was chosen from a host of competitive bids, I will give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it was an open, defensible, contract awarding process.
This brings me to my last point. If the worst case scenario happens, and a nuclear bomb is smuggled into, and detonated within, the United States of America, DPW and the government of the UAE will be examined under the greatest microscope ever conceived. Any evidence that suggests that their ports were used, or that DPW was involved in terrorism, will inexorably lead to trouble for the UAE. If evidence is found that this terrorism was state sponsored, the UAE will be the target of a nuclear strike. Nothing could be worse for the UAE, and conversely, nothing could be better for Al Qaeda.
Let's not forget that the rulers of the UAE are enemies of Al Qaeda, falling under the 'corrupt dictators propped up by the infidel West' section. Whether or not it was in their interest to protect American lives (on American soil) before the DPW deal can be debated; after the deal, much less of a debate - their interests will be married to keeping Americans safe, lest they wish to court the wrath of the trigger happy superpower.
Glenn asks
ReplyDeleteIf Democrats have an opportunity to inflict serious political harm on the Administration and its enablers in Congress through a scandal which may not be truly meritorious but can be a potent political weapon (and I’m not saying that's the case for Portgate - I’m simply posing this question hypothetically), ought Democrats do what Bush followers have done for the last 5 years -- namely, use whatever instruments they can to politically harm the Administration, even if there is some cynicism involved in doing so – or ought they maintain higher and more intellectually honest standards and forego political gain if it means cynically exploiting a scandal?
A win-at-all-cost strategy for Democrats is doomed to failure for several reasons:
1) Democrats simply don't have the required psychopathic mindset to play that kind of politics;
2) While we were blogging, the country was changing; i.e. polarization fatique is in full flower.
3) There is more than enough evidence of GOP corruption and incompetence to spare. Democrats simply need to tell the truth, over and over and over again.
ANY strategy of the Dems is doomed because:
ReplyDelete4. the voting machines are rigged.
Glenn, you've asked whether progressives should use whatever fodder available for political advantage...
ReplyDeleteMy short answer is yes, but just like Digby suggests, we should not lie, cheat, steal. But, the cudgel with which democrats have been beaten for so long is now in our hands. We need ethical yet HARD HITTING politicians to be on every news show for the next few months pounding these points home. As Digby said in an earlier post, those that would seek bi-partisanship in this environment are fools.
Yes, we need a win at all costs mentality. Because when your opponent is down, stomp on them.
The precipice we find ourselves on demands that kind of ruthless actions.
As you point out cronyism is the real motivatition for this administration. And, I think if you look at the Republican congress they have become a rubber stamp for the administration because they are very much a part of that crony culture. One need not look farther than the Abramoff scandal for confirmation of that.
Unfortuantely greed is what we face, and greedy children do not give up what they think is rightly theirs without a fight.
Well we need to take the fight to them. This is not hatred, this is not racism, this is what needs to be done to reclaim our country before it implodes under the weight of the corruption at the top or our government.
Knowingly hamming it up to achieve a desired outcome makes one just as contemptible, and worse, boring, as those you've been attacking. It's a cave-in to the stultifying political culture that has been making us all nauseous for years.
ReplyDeleteJust to be clear, I wasn't asking this question because I personally am wavering on this issue or am wondering what I should do about this while blogging. I know extremely clearly how I feel about this matter and what I personally would and would not be willing to do.
But I still think it's an interesting and important question for Bush opponents to answer, and I don't think that how I've resolved that for myself is the only way to approach it. I have watched for five years while Bush followers exploited and played limitless games with every single terrorism and national security-related issue in order to achieve political benefits and keep themselves in power. It's far from persuasive to me to hear people telling Bush opponents that they have to play by a more restrictive and fair-minded set of rules.
I don't feel comfortable advocating viewpoints I don't really believe, but that doesn't mean that there's no theoretical justification for others doing that. Ordinarily, it's not appropriate to hit someone in the face - but if they keep hitting you in the face, hitting them becomes a more justifiable option if there is no other way to get them to stop.
What becomes justifiable is, to a degree, a function of how profound one believes is the threat this Administration poses. I think it's pretty profound and I take it very seriously, even though I personally think it's ultimately unnecessary - and probably counterproductive (I tend to agree wtih FilmDiva and the anonymous comment a few comments up) - to attack the Administration with cynicism rather than passion and authenticity.
The UAE deal is several things:
ReplyDelete>Bush cronyinsm in full flower
>An attempt to make Bush seem non-racist
>A Rovian tactic to counter the Bush Cult meme (Glenn's posts have hit bone)
>A Rovian tactic to force Dems into an ostensibly racist posture
>Bush cozying up, once again, to monied interests with connections to terrorism
>A threat to National Security
Dirty politics are not necessary to take advantage of this scandal. Street smarts and finesse are essential in navigating these multi-pronged schemes, and in this case I think it should be left to bloggers because Dems are clueless, spineless, compromised cowards (with some exceptions)who can't find their asses with both hands.
Someone else already posted this, but it doesn't look like anyone noticed. In the words of one of my friends...
ReplyDelete"Let me get this straight. The man repeatedly defends the deal, he threatens to veto attempts to stop it, and then he claims "I didn't know about the deal?"
This is really strange and politically damaging.
Dave
What becomes justifiable is, to a degree, a function of how profound one believes is the threat this Administration poses. I think it's pretty profound and I take it very seriously, even though I personally think it's ultimately unnecessary - and probably counterproductive (I tend to agree wtih FilmDiva and the anonymous comment a few comments up) - to attack the Administration with cynicism rather than passion and authenticity.
ReplyDeleteFrom the Bush opponent's perspective, I'm not so sure it's counterproductive. The NSA scandal shows us that the KEY to curtailing the Bush Administration's excesses and abuse is to drive a wedge between the President and the Republican Congress and Republicans in general. To the extent the port issue does that, it's useful -- notwithstanding issues of polarization fatigue, possible distraction from the NSA issue and concerns about appearing cynical.
Totally unsurprisingly, Frank Gaffney over at NRO is hyperventilating that this deal must be undone pronto, cuz we can’t be hiring “hosts to anti-American terror-wielding Islamofascists.”
ReplyDeleteBut also found there is this from Mansoor Ijaz, chairman of Crescent Investment Management LLC, a New York private equity firm, who is pretty outraged at the racism coming from those who are waxing so outragd at the DPW contract.
If George Bush has one unbending belief (besides the limitlessness of his own power), it’s his belief in doing business deals, especially those which reward people and entities whom he wants to reward. Cronyism pervades virtually everything this Administration does
ReplyDeleteYes, of course it's cronyism - that's the only guarantee the Bush administration can give - that it will always give unbidded deals to his business partners and friends.
David Sanborn, Bush's new appointee to Assistant Secretary of Transportation was until 2 weeks ago a director for the Dubai Ports World company that will now be managing our ports. So you know he'll be making money on this deal.
John Snow, the Treasury Secretary, and previously CEO of CSX, sold CSX to Dubai Ports World in 2004 for more than 1 billion dollars. So he has something in it also.
This level of corruption is absolutely astounding to me.
I'll just add to what is no doubt a chorus of people stating the obvious: the reason the Republicans are so eager to oppose the President on this issue is fear of what Ms. Coulter so eloquently refers to as "ragheads". More precisely, it's their constituents' fear of the ragheads. This isn't some prissy argument about what the Constitution says. It's about people we are afraid of and don't like very much. By "we" of course, I mean the kinds of people who mostly don't show up here. You can probably find them at some of the right-wing blogs that allow commentary.
ReplyDeleteI'm not implying that there aren't any substantive issues here. Quite the contrary, there are.
We have, however, found no fault with Chinese corporations running some of our port facilities. If things turn ugly between us and China, which they have at least a small chance of doing, this could be a problem until their interest in the facilities is nationalized or bought out by someone more "trustworthy". So, whatever the merits of this UAE controversy, it smacks of Coulterism, and I think you can count on that being one of the reasons Republicans are paying so much more attention to this than to, say, FISA, or the K Street Project, or Plamegate.
In considering whether it is possible to adopt a win-at-all-costs, opportunistic attitude without fundamentally damaging the Democratic party, I find this question important:
ReplyDeleteDo you believe that every Republican is an amoral sociopath motivated purely by a desire to win, or do you think that, by and large, they are relatively principled individuals who have been convinced by a minority of amoral sociopaths that it is necessary to (temporarily, of course) set aside those principles in order to regain unfairly-lost power?
Personally, I think it is the latter. Remember, Republicans used to stand for something--a lot of the same Republicans who are still in power. Somewhere along the way they were convinced that winning, at least this once, was more important than preserving their principles. And they still haven't found their way back.
Democrats are hardly less susceptible to the lust for power than Republicans. Do you really think we would be able to put our amoral, successful tactics away once Bush was gone? If you believe in the rightness of democracy, you need to believe in the rightness of democracy all the time, not the rightness of democracy (except when someone I REALLY REALLY don't like is in power).
This story should really "prove" to us that chimpy, cheney, and rove are not actually the problem here. We waste so much time talking about which one of these three are in control, or who is competent, or who is "sane" or shoe is "mean" blah blah blah blah...
ReplyDeleteThe point is NONE OF THESE PUPPETS IS ACTUALLY IN CONTROL.
Bush Unaware of Ports Deal Before Approval
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060222/ap_on_go_pr_wh/ports_security;_ylt=AkCjuEHnTs42WpjFsDAG2D6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
If I see any more commnets and the
"superblogs" about the compentency of chimpy and gang, I will puke -- THAT IS NOT THE POINT. Never has been, never will be...
In this case, the "powers that be" decided to leave the chimperor's gang TOTALLY OUT OF THE LOOP!
We need to follow the money trail and talk about our real problems, not the distractions that they parade before us.
I've posted it here before, will do it again....
THEY DID NOT STEAL THE 2000 ELECTION TO "EARN" THE RIGHT TO REPRESENT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
Once they got away with that (and it took much more powerful people than cheney, rove, and chimpy to pull that one off), the die was set -- YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHIN' YET
Great crimes require even bigger crimes to cover up and maintain the lie...
oh christ....
ReplyDeletenow they are dragging the tired, long-winded and lifeless tripe for FDL over here...
no wonder the opposition is such a mess, just look at the so-called "experts" and the endless speculation and faux analysis that is almost always turns out to be wrong.
Of course, the always have more "wisdom" and "expertise" to share on the next "topic of the day," so they never have to look back at their drivil.
guess they play attorneys on tv though...
with respect to ggr's 4:48 comment
ReplyDeleteyou do have to do some things you don't care to do in politics.
when he signed the welfare reform bill in the 1990's clinton said it was "a good bill wrapped in a sack of shit".
said dungsack being the obstructions to success placed in the bill by the republican congress.
clinton did not veto the bill, though.
he took what he could get and, in doing so, was obliged to acquies to things he did not think fruitful or fair.
in the case of the british firm P&O, owned by the royal family in dubai,
i don't think it is necessary for bush's oppponents to go against, or even to hedge, their convictions to flak this issue in the web log world.
the damage to bush arises from the self-interpreting nature of this issue -
the easily grasped "problems" with the ports management deal.
our ports managed by a foreign government?
and by an arab governemnt to boot? WTF
voters can figure this one out for themselves.
there will be lots of barbershop talk.
and that's where the damage to the bush administartion will come.
the best strategy for web log opponents of the bush admin on this issue seems to me to be
to place the secretive, avoidance-of-oppostion decision making strategy followed in this matter
in the context of other secretive, avoidance-of-opposition decisions made by bush,
like the decision to duck fisa and wiretap wiretap without oversight.
2001-2006:FIVE WASTED YEARS.
heresiarch said:
ReplyDeleteRemember, Republicans used to stand for something--a lot of the same Republicans who are still in power. Somewhere along the way they were convinced that winning, at least this once, was more important than preserving their principles. And they still haven't found their way back.
Couldn't have said it better. If there's a racist component to this, then let others exploit it. What we need to do is explain why we have a problem with it. That's the role of the opposition.
OTOH, we shouldn't be afraid to express opposition because it might coincide with the interests of some shady adversaries. The real point of having a democracy is that we can discuss these things and come to a solution that's better than the one we have now.
That might seem frighteningly naive, but when the Republican politicians heresiarch refers to were trying to remember why they ran for office in the first place, I'm sure that's what the sociopaths were implying they were.
quote
ReplyDelete"If I were to speculate, I would guess that cronyism connections are (at least partially) what drove this transaction originally and what is driving Bush’s oddly emphatic commitment to it now."
What else could there possibly be?...GREED is what drives this administration from the top down.
What does dissapoint me though, is the fact that this disgrace of a man, this lying, deceitful, reckless egomaniac will not go to jail for his crimes. I would be a satisfied and content man if George Bush was locked up, preferably in one of his creations (G Bay).
But the question remains ....How can people be so stupid, ignorant and gullible to vote for people like this? Why?
I think the Portgate matter ought to be exploited in the context of a larger idea: That Bush is actually terribly weak on national security.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's terribly difficult to make this case by folding in, as reflective of this meme, any number of the "scandals" that have arisen in the past year and more: Katrina, Plamegate, the NSA spying, etc.
"Let me get this straight. The man repeatedly defends the deal, he threatens to veto attempts to stop it, and then he claims "I didn't know about the deal?"
ReplyDeleteThis is really strange and politically damaging.
Not really. Bush can now back off, kill the UAE deal, and fire a couple of low-level flunkies who will be blamed for setting him up. All the Republicans who are now bloviating and ranting will immediately quiet down (as they did when he reversed himself on the Miers nomination), Halliburton will take over port security (which was Rove's plan all along), and C-Plus Augustus will move on to the next debacle.
-- Basharov
Dead thread by now, and it's probably been said. But what the hey:
ReplyDeleteI just have to admire the ultimate case of the phenomenon, which is Bruce Bartlett being expelled from the ranks of the True Faith for his book expelling W from the ranks of the True Faith.
Can I get an amen.
Grk. Meant that to go in previous thread. Hate it when that happens.
ReplyDeleteDid the administration ignore the requirements of the Exon-Florio Provision and the Byrd Amendment?
ReplyDeleteThanks to atrios, there is a link to the CFIUS discussion: http://www.treasury.gov/offices/international-affairs/exon-florio/
As I read it the ports deal requires an investigation of not more than 45 days, a report to the President upon completion of this investigation, and notification from the President to the Congress of his course of action. The relevant paragraph from the CFIUS is quoted below. So it seems that the administration has again ignored Congressional legislation which it clearly acknowledges it understands.
"The Exon-Florio statute established a 30-day review following receipt of a notification. For those transactions for which an extended 45-day review (or "investigation") is completed, a report must be provided to the President, who must by law announce the final decision within 15 days. In total, the process can not exceed 90 days. The statute requires the President to inform Congress of his determination of whether or not to take action under section 721."
Whoops. The credit for the link goes to TPM. Also, it is the Byrd Amendment that requires the 45 day investigation. Quoting from the CFIUS discussion:
ReplyDelete"Amendments. Section 837(a) of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1993, called the 'Byrd Amendment,' amended Section 721 of the Defense Production Act (the 'Exon-Florio provision'). It requires an investigation in cases where:
o the acquirer is controlled by or acting on behalf of a foreign government; and
o the acquisition 'could result in control of a person engaged in interstate commerce in the U.S. that could affect the national security of the U.S.' "
redwretch:
ReplyDeleteYou make some interesting points, but I will scroll by your posts from now on.
You make mention in your post of
"with unparalleled tax cuts for the have-mores"
The have-mores are generally the produce-mores. This capitalistic principle is of course bastardized by the dispensing of political favors to corrupt cronys, which is why the government should keep its mitts out of anything to do with $$$ or business. It's an indictment of government corruption and government intrusion into the economy, not of the system of capitalism.
If the have-mores didn't exist, everyone would be a have-the-same, and that can only be effectuated by a socialist government.
Socialism, Fascism, Communism, etc. are all children of the same parent which is Statism, or totalitarianism.
I am hardly against the issues which trouble Glenn and most of the posters here because I want to move toward YOUR version of a totalitarian state.
Hardly.
"Analysts also said the uproar could scare off other Gulf Arab states, all U.S. allies and flush with petrodollars, from seeking similar high-profile investments."
ReplyDeleteSimilar high-profile investments? What, the airports? The Secret Service? The Passport Agency?
Gee, that's too bad.
I have never understood why any foreign nation which is immoral and abuses human rights is allowed to take control of ANY American country.
I believe in moral global free trade. Why support in any way corrupt regimes, foreign individuals who support those corrupt regimes, or allow our business community to sell out to them?
Correction: I meant to write any American company, not country.
ReplyDeleteThe formidable hype over the ports contract is clearly political and indicative of a weakened BushCo administration. While I am enjoying the show from a partisan perspective, I am horrified at the naviety displayed by congresspersons and the media about the UAE. An American citizen, I have lived here for 10 years and and in Arabian Gulf/Middle East region for 30. Misperceptions about the UAE are rampant. I am appalled at the incredible ignorance of my compatriots. If they even bothered, I will bet most had to check a map just to locate it ("Hmmmm...don't they have camels there?"). This is one of the most pro-American regime's in the world. I live here. I know the people. Politics aside, wake up Americans. You're showing your ignorance again.
ReplyDeleteI really have to post this here, and although only I can fully appreciate the significance of this, I'll post it anyway.
ReplyDeleteI have a very close friend of many years who is the absolute embodiment of the type of "Bush Cultist" about which Glenn wrote.
She is a strident evangelical Christian, passionately anti-abortion, and almost hysterically defensive about each and every position Bush has taken, with the exception of the nomination of Harriet Miers.
She supports warrentless spying even on domestic to domestic calls ("If you don't have anything to hide, what's the big deal?") and supports the whole torture program ("These people are monsters who want to kill us all"), etc. etc. etc.
Because she is such a fabulously spectacular human being in so many ways, I have maintained the relationship despite the fact that recent political events have seriously strained the friendship.
The torture issue was too much for me, however, and I have avoided interaction with her since then.
Today, I thought I'd write her to ask what she thought about the Port Deal. I actually thought she was going to once again support Bush. But this is what she just emailed me:
"I THINK IT IS LUDICROUS!!!!
I think George has had a lobotomy!!
WHY WHY WHY would we EVER let a foreign country control any of our access points in/out of our country? STUPID!!
WHY would we EVER ALLOW an entity comprised of MUSLIMS / ARABS to control ANY PART of our ports? Or have ANY FOOTHOLD in our country?? Or have ANY say in WHAT/WHO COMES IN, WHAT/WHO GOES OUT, WHO GUARDS THE PORT?
Muslims' FIRST fidelity is to their religion. So they should not have any position of control over ANYTHING in this country. PERIOD! Absolutely!
Have our men and women over the past 300 years fought for freedom just to give it up to barbaric Muslims, whose purpose is to take us over, convert us, put women in the burka and out of the automobile, and subject all of us to THEIR ways!?I THINK NOT!
If he tries to sign this, the 2 houses MUST OVERRIDE him, and I don't care if he loses all his power, or gets impeached after this!
IT IS UNCONSCIONABLE!
IT IS WORSE THAN SILLY CARTER GIVING AWAY THE PANAMA CANAL!!! AT LEAST THAT IS ALL THE WAY DOWN IN %$#&^%ING PANAMA!!!
We are talking about the mainland, heart of America, NYC, and ARABS!! Has he lost his mind??? YES!! He has."
Now obviously, this otherwise wonderful girl is someone who has been seriously brainwashed by Bush into becoming a real racist who passionately hates Muslims. Also, her church has been indoctrinating her with the 'clash of religions' doctrine, and the result is what you read above.
But I can see right now that there is nothing in this world which is ever going to make this person trust Bush again. Even if this is a "plot" on the part of Karl Rove, he's miscalculated.
Once this hysterical anti-Arab, pro-security at any cost litany has been ingrained so deeply, it's too imbedded to pry loose.
This is really the classic case of the chickens coming home to roost. Instill fear deeply enough, and the fear takes over and develops a life of its own.
Whether this will spill over to the totalitarian policies of corrupt politicians and make my friend re-examine everything, I don't know.
But I would guess that about half of Bush's Christian Conservative base are lost, never to return.
"How about if you knew ahead of time that your decision as to whether to exploit this scandal would be the difference between the Democrats taking over the House in 2006 - then would you be justified in exploiting it?"
ReplyDeleteGlenn, it's time for a big shift in strategy here. I posted that this was a "gift", then agonized over whether to be exploitative and use the "gift", then decided yes and said I lost respect for you because you failed to see that.
Those were yesterday's questions. They're not relevant today.
No deceit, false emphasis, examination of the security aspects of this deal, distasteful exploitation or any other ploy is now needed, it turns out, and using those methods will just backfire and harm those who use them.
The fact is that this has been taken out of the hands of the blogosphere, the commentators, and even you, Glenn.
The American Public has decided, for whatever its reasons, right or wrong, that this deal is an outrage.
That relieves all of us of the strenuous task of arguing against the deal, or focusing on whether or not this is a security breach. Leave that up to the populace.
We have to shift gears and express our outrage over this deal for DIFFERENT reasons, which, fortunately, are the real reasons most of us are against it.
l) What does this say about who is in charge? Why didn't Bush and staff know? Why didn't Rumsfeld know? Is Rumsfeld lying when he said he didn't know? Etc. Who or what is really behind this deal? What other factors, national or global, were factors in pushing this deal through so quickly, at the expense of a thorough examination of its security implications, etc. In short, it's not the deal itself on which we should focus. It's the way this deal was handled, the secrecy surrounding it, the hidden factors behind it, and all of the larger implications which flow from it.
2) The big angle, the hypocrisy angle. I think we should stick to the argument, "Look Bush ran and rules on a platform of security at any cost, even at the cost of giving up our civil liberties, the tenets of the Geneva Convention, the Constitution, etc. But HE HAS BEEN LYING. If he really cared that much about national security, he would have at least vetted this deal for the full 45 days, examined it himself after he found out about it and not immediately said he'd veto it, etc. He would have "prepared" a nation who has been made to feel fear that the deal was going to be done, and explained why he didn't think this was a threat to security. BUT HE DIDN'T. So the question becomes, if national security wasn't the real reason all these objectionable policies were instituted, WHAT WAS?"
Is it just an attempt to solidify power, going forward, in the hands of a small cabal of amoral people who want to follow policies that are framed solely for the benefit of themselves and their cronies? Do they want this secret, absolute power and authority to further a neo-con agenda? WHY DO THEY WANT IT? Money? Ideology? World Domination? Control? WHY? Why do we have to submit to all these unconstitutional indignities, now that this Port Deal has exposed the lie that these things were all done in the name of National Security? WHY?
3) And what in fact IS the money trail behind this deal, and other deals, and maybe ALL the deals? Where DID the Katrina money really go? Where did the 9/11 fund really go? Where does the bulk of ALL the money really go?
We can't know, because a secret cabal has taken over the government of the United States, unaccountable to anyone except themselves, operating in the dark, at the cost of our freedoms.
Do you ever get frustrated at how Jack Bauer not only has to fight all the enemies when he is trying to save the world, but he has to waste most of his time fighting his own weak, ineffectual, often corrupt government, a government which is so dysfunctional that it constantly gets infiltrated by rogue elements or traitors?
That's what we have here. The People against what has become of the Government of The United States of America.
I am saddened that some see this as a chance for Democrats to get back in office.
Is that a goal of mine? HELL NO.
The question is WHICH Democrats? What do they stand for? Will they get rid of that preposterous Patriot Act? Will they stop not only warrentless eavesdropping, but all the unnecessary eavesdropping with warrents on people who are clearly no threat to security? Are there Republicans who would be better in office than the Democrats who will run?
My own view is that Hillary Clinton and most of the other Democrats are EQUALLY corrupt, or close. If Hillary and Bill do not cavort shamelessly in the money lined halls of power with little or no real regard for the values and principles that made this country was it was, I don't know who does.
Please remember this line spoken by Richard Dreyfuss in his recent talk:
NO EXECUTIVE EVER WILLINGLY GIVES UP POWER, UNLESS THAT POWER IS CATEGORICALLY DENIED TO THE INSTITUTION OF THAT OFFICE.
We have to get rid of these "powers", not just put someone else in who will abuse these same powers, because unless we take away these powers from the Presidency, and from Congress (with all their stealing, corrupt "earmarks", pork, etc), the next "gang", and that's the right word to use, will just abuse the same lawless powers.
So, will I do anything, say anything, try anything to put Democrats in power? No.
I will do anything, say anything, and try anything to take back this country from the bunch of corrupt politicians on both sides who have trashed the idea of government with which the Framers so gloriously gifted us.
That was the TRUE gift, and I am glad this Port Deal came up if it is an avenue on which to march to restore the Republic.
But to put a Hillary Clinton, or Chuck Schumer, or Bill Frist, or Condi Rice or some other corrupt power broker, Republican or Democrat, in office? No!
It's too late to settle for a few small favors tossed our way. We need to re-structure, and restore the government of our country. And if the time was ever ripe for that, it's NOW.
daaders said
ReplyDeleteWHY WHY WHY would we EVER let a foreign country control any of our access points in/out of our country? STUPID!!
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Where are you getting this that foreign countries control the access points? The Coast Guard and other U.S. agencies handle all security and control the access to the ports.
Think about it. What comes in and out of ports? Products going in and products going out. Foreign countries and companies want to own and operate facilities in the ports to move their goods. It has nothing to do with security. We control that as we always should. To kick out all foreigners would be absolutely stupid. Trading creates tons of American jobs, including the longshoremen. All the major ports have foreign countries with facilities including China, etc.
Glenn:
ReplyDeleteI don't know if your heard Steve Inskeep's interview with John Yoo this morning on "Morning Edition".
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5229464
Inskeep did a pretty good job of trying to get Yoo to say that the President can do ANYTHING in a time of war. Yoo made the point that you make, which is that Congress has "remedies" including the "absolute power of the purse" and "impeachment". Otherwise, the Prez can do what he wants according to Yoo.
Yoo has a calmness in his voice that makes him sound very reasonable until you listen to the actual words that he is saying. He is truly one scary individual!
What was amazing was that Yoo tried to sound like he was softening his stance when Inskeep said something like "Why don't you just come out and say that the President can do whatever he wants in a time of war?". He wouldn't come right out and agree with that statement but it was clear that he thought the only "remedies" were the ones he described.
So, let's start the impeachment process!
I think Democrats need to push this candal hard. I don't believe a win-at-all-costs strategy is ever justified, nor do I believge that the ends justify the means, but I do believe that, given the situation, a lot more in the way of Republican-like tricks is warranted. Ironically I believe that most Republicans, having been in the minority for so long, felt the same way, and started using sleazier and sleazier methods and people to get ahead. Nobody in politics at the national level can really be considered ethical, but the sort of "destroy our country and everyone in it to win" mentality I see on the Republican side nowadays probably developed gradually, over time, and the people who started the ball rolling are, if still alive, probably horrified at the monster they have loosed.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is, if the only way to rectify this situation is to stoop very low ourselves and by doing so we might well trigger the sort of overreaction that has led the Republican party to become a corrupt, criminal machine, possibly endangering our country by our own actions, what are we to do?
We're not talking bloody revolution here, or anything like that. With revolutions you almost always end up with a government as bad or worse then the one it replaces. Nonetheless, even by simply resorting to very dirty politics, which may be the only way to prevent a disaster from occuring, we could start a chain effect that would, ultimately, cause that disaster anyway.
Funny how those wingnuts who want to see the writers and editors at the NYT punished for running the NSA spying story don't seem to think that Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby and Karl Rove deserve to be prosecuted for revealing classified information about Valerie Plame.
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