A few (perversely) humorous holiday items:
(1) On this weekend's Meet the Press, Bill Bennett ominously warned the panel of journalists that Americans were growing extremely angry over the disclosures of classified information by The New York Times and other newspapers. Riding this wave of massive public rage towards the NYT, a protest was organized for yesterday by Cliff Kinkaid of Accuracy in Media along with FreeRepublic.com. The protest was heavily promoted by Michelle Malkin (who announced that she would personally attend) and other pro-Bush bloggers, who urged all patriotic Americans to attend and make their anger at the NYT heard loudly and clearly.
The protest was scheduled to take place in front of the Times' Washington Bureau, where the Al Qaeda-lovers/traitors Jim Risen and Eric Lichtblau work. The protest was over the fact that the NYT has, of course, been "giving aid and comfort to al Qaeda." The protest occurred yesterday and, on a beautiful July day in Washington, a grand total of 20 outraged Americans showed up (including Cliff Kinkaid, Michelle, one of her Hot Air workers, and Matt Stoller, who filed a photographic report of the historic event -- which means that 16 protestors actually showed up).
Michelle linked to this report from Aaron, a blogger who attended and reported on the event. His whole report is highly worth reading, but I found this observation of his to be particularly incisive:
Halfway during [AIM's Cliff] Kinkaid's speech, three muslim tourists stopped to watch and began speaking in their foreign tongue. I thought it was a bit ironic.
Just "a bit ironic?" Is anyone surprised that when Muslims want to gather to speak in their foreign tongue, they choose the front of The New York Times building as their meeting place? And if there is anything that powerfully illustrates the true threats we face from terrorism -- threats which the NYT is intent on aiding and abetting -- it's the sudden appearance of 3 Muslim tourists speaking in their foreign tongue. I'd say that's much more than "a bit ironic." If anyone believes that those sentiments were the exception rather than the rule for this protest, just look at a few of the photographs from Matt Stoller's report.
Michelle also announced that "a second protest at the main NYC offices of the Times is scheduled for July 10, 5pm Eastern, 229 West 43rd Street." One commenter here, who apparently attended yesterday's event and filed his own report, had this to say:
The streets of Washington D.C. were brought to a standstill today by massive protests over recent treasonous actions by the New York Times. As the massive crowds gathered in front offices of the newspaper’s Washington D.C. offices, employees inside cringed with fear and pretended not to notice.
They did a good job. When asked for estimate on the overwhelming crowds, a D.C Parks Dept. a spokesperson responded, “huh, what are you talking about?”
Obviously left speechless and overwhelmed by his crowd control duties, no other comments were forthcoming, and no other spokespersons made themselves available - too much work to do to keep the crowds under control. Of course, the traitorous hate-America mainstream media refused to covered the event, which left only Bryan from Hot Air to try and capture the feel of the event, fortunately he was joined by award-winning veteran reporter Michelle Malkin to cover the event as it deserved to be covered.
New York City is trembling with fear, because the Free Republic has organized another protest July 10.
Bush followers obviously believe that hate-mongering against the NYT is going to be the key to their electoral strategy, as it will motivate their "base." John Podhoretz argued exactly this in his Op-Ed yesterday in the New York Post, entitled "Uniting the Right -- Thank you, New York Times." But Americans have abandoned this administration due to a long list of intense grievances with the President, and relentless, hysterical attacks on newspapers are highly unlikely to make them forget about those grievances.
Ultimately, any institution or group which commits the Greatest Sin of opposing the President and imposing any limits on his powers will be subjected to this same treatment. The media, the Supreme Court, whistleblowers, Senate Democrats are all depicted as treasonous swine and allies of Al Qaeda because they oppose the President and believe that he should not have unlimited power. The war they are waging on the NYT is simply one front in the war they wage on anyone or anything which impedes or "hampers" the President's will in any way.
(2) Speaking of hysterical attacks on newspapers, several rather similar bloggers who pumped the "Hidden-Murder-Scheme-in-the-NYT-Travel-Section" plot -- Michelle Malkin, Tom Maguire, David Horowitz, and Pamela at Atlas Shrugs -- have now responded to the fact that: (a) the photograph of Rumsfeld's house was taken with his permission; (b) all of the information published by the NYT has long ago appeared in numerous other media outlets, including NewsMax and Fox; and (c) both Rumsfeld's representative and the Secret Service scoffed at their claim that this article endangered anyone's security. How did the accusers respond? By dismissing the Secret Service's views and re-affirming their original accusations even in light of these facts:
Michelle Malkin: "What news value and journalistic end was served by publishing the Cheney/Rumsfeld vacation home piece and the accompanying photo? 'Because Rumsfeld gave permission' may cut it with the moonbats and fairweather privocrats. Not with me."
Tom Maguire: "Greg Sargent of TAPPED follows up on the security issues, and is pleased to conclude there are none . . . . Well, as I said in my post, I had no doubt a determined terrorist or protest group could have found this info without the help of the Times. Coming as it does a week after President Bush called the conduct of the Times "disgraceful", I remain dubious of the timing."
David Horowitz: "It is in the context of this hatred directed among others at Rumsfeld and Cheney that the Times action has to be assessed. . . . The casual (and unnecessary) publication of the pictures of Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s homes seemed to me of a piece with this ongoing recklessness and lack of care for the safety of Americans. . . .
Finally, the fact that Rumsfeld responded to the Times request to take the pictures means what? What else could he say? He lives under conditions of danger that go with waging a war in behalf of this country, intensified by what magnitude one can only guess th the (sic) divisive and hate-filled propaganda of the left and antiwar liberals. . . . Does this mean that when the Rumsfeld family goes to town now its risks are not heightened? Hardly."
Pamela at Atlas Shrugs: "A number of readers have advised me that Rumsfeld gave his permission for the photos to be used. I am sure he was thrilled. IMAO, I think it stinks."
So they accused the NYT of deliberately endangering the security of Rumsfeld and Cheney by printing that travel article. If you wanted to debunk that accusation and had the power to have the best possible evidence magically materialize, you would wish for it turn out that the photographs were taken with the permission of Rumsfeld himself, that right-wing media outlets previously published the same information, and that the Secret Service would make clear how ludicrous the accusations are. And, lo and behold, that's exactly what materialized here. And yet the accusers, even in the face of that dream evidence, still insist that they were right all along and that this Travel article is highly suspicious.
There are no facts which matter. Literally, virtually every political controversy we have is generated by this fact-impervious mindset, this refusal to accept that what one wishes is true is not, in fact, true. As one commenter here observed about Malkin's "response":
So....both Cheney and Rumsfeld confirm that the puff piece constituted no security threat . . . But their mere permission isn't enough for her, no. Only a "moonbat" or some entity known as a "fairweather privocrat" would accept that the Times did nothing wrong just because the Vice President and Defense Secretary themselves say so.
The woman claims liberals are "unhinged." If Rumsfeld and Cheney could make hay criticizing the Times in this instance, they most assuredly would, but even they would be too embarrassed to do so in this context. Malkin is clearly exempt from such normal emotional inhibitions.
Literally nothing could convince her that the NYT did no wrong. Nothing.
For a similar, highly amusing response to Horowitz's ongoing insistence that he was right, see this comment here. These sentiments apply to each of the accuser-bloggers who are refusing to repudiate their extremely serious accusations against the NYT even in the face of the most conclusive facts one could imagine. And that syndrome repeats itself over and over again. Things are going great in Iraq. Saddam really did have WMDs when we invaded. Bush is a popular president. His policies are beloved and supported by regular Americans. The NYT disclosure that the administration eavesdrops without warrants rather than in compliance with the law helped The Terrorists to evade surveillance. Nothing matters less than facts.
(3) For pure holiday entertainment value, I cannot recommend this video highly enough. It contains five minutes of political commentary by Pamela of Atlas Shrugs while she watches CNN. Pamela was one of the four bloggers selected by John Bolton for an exclusive blog interview he gave a couple of weeks ago.
I confess that I sat, literally transfixed, watching the entire video, and then watched it a second time immediately thereafter, in full. I fear that I will be unable to resist watching again today, at least once. It defies belief, is truly riveting, and yet, at the same time, is depressingly instructive. It's really everything at once, all packed into a jaw-dropping, action-packed 5 minutes.
UPDATE: Two additional worthwhile items regarding the attacks from Bush followers on a free press:
(4) This is from last week, but I only saw it yesterday and it is truly amazing - Fox's Brian Kilmeade and E.D. Hill both overtly advocating the creation of an Office of Censorship to suppress any news articles which are deemed harmful to the country.
(5) As I suggested yesterday, I believe that the media is beginning, finally, to recognize the serious threats posed to it by the Bush administration. Atrios has a long excerpt of a Nicholas Kristof column from today which bolsters that belief.
UPDATE II: Scott Lemieux has a persuasive and thorough explanation as to why the fanatical accusers of the NYT still refuse to back down from their inane-from-the-very-beginning accusations of treachery and treason hidden in the NYT weekend Travel Section, even now that the most conclusive evidence possible has emerged demonstrating how false those accusations are. In sum, Lemieux points out: "Given that the attempts to gin up a scandal started at the absolute ground zero of idiocy and paranoia, additional evidence of the idiocy of the non-story is beside the point."
That's all true, but humiliations like this -- events that demonstrably and undeniably expose their complete lack of credibility -- ought to at least influence how they are perceived. It's unsurprising that John Hinderaker, Michelle Malkin and David Horowitz et al. are unmoved even by evidence that's this conclusive, but why do Howard Kurtz and Time Magazine and CNN continue to treat people like this -- people who are entirely unburdened by even minimal amounts of rationality and integrity -- as though they are serious pundits deserving of respect and large media platforms?
UPDATE III: Several additional posts worth reading in the wake of the exposure of these sham accusations:
(a) The generally reasonable Kevin Aylward at Wizbang acknowledges the obvious -- that the NYT vacation home article was merely a "puff piece" rather than a secret coded plot to send hit squads from their Al Qaeda allies to murder the Vice President and Defense Secretary -- and he therefore commendably added a corrective update to the post by his co-blogger, Lorie Byrd, which originally helped spread the false accusations.
Byrd, however, is much more tenacious, as she clings pitifully to the possibility that she really was right all along. As I pointed out in a comment in response to Kevin's post, Byrd evidently believes that she knows more than both Rumsfeld himself and the Secret Service about security issues surrounding Cheney and Rumsfeld, as she continues to insinuate that the NYT story really did pose a security threat even though both Rumsfeld's office and the Secret Service said that it did not. Just pause for a moment to contemplate the level of denseness and imperviousness to reason which that reaction requires -- and then consider that Malkin, Horowitz and Maguire are levels beyond (or, as it were, below) that, given that they continue not merely to insinuate, but to insist, that they were right all along.
(b) Greg Sargent, who (unlike those spewing the false accusations against the NYT) thought to pick up the phone and call Rumsefeld's office and the Secret Service to ask if the article really did pose any threat, analyzes the political reasons motivating these attacks on the NYT-- reasons which continue to drive the accusers still to insist that their disproven accusations are true.
(c) Despite all the ink now spilled over this matter, the Editors remind us of just how straightforward this issue was all along.
The poor dears. As a liberal, one of my guiding principles is compassion for the less fortunate. As such, I feel very, very, sorry for the mentally ill who are insisting that down is up and black is white. I mean really, it is only a matter of time before the men in white coat's come and get 'em. Liberals do not wish that fate on anyone. Unless they are a danger to themselves and everyone around them. Then we must insist they be dragged off to the loony bin, kicking and screaming if need be; for their own good, of course.
ReplyDeleteGlenn,
ReplyDeleteYou need a permanent links section to a list of stories like this: Every time the right wing blogs so convincingly demonstrate their utter lack of respect for honesty, facts or decency it should be catalogged for the average reader to peruse.
We must not let this stuff be forgotten. As you said, you couldn't dream up better counter evidence to their claims (short of Jesus coming down from behind the sun wearing full NASCAR regalia in an SUV sporting a "support the troops" sticker to declare the Times sinless in publishing the article) nor could you dream up a more blatantly manufactured scandal.
What next, if the lifestyle section of the times mentions that Cheney drinks tea, will they endanger his life because Al Qaeda might start poisoning tea supplies?
Unacquainted with "Atlas Shrugs," I was unsure for quite a portion of the video whether it was parody.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder such people like Colbert.
Assuming her performance was not intended as parody, I can only say, "Thanks, Glenn, thanks a lot for making me question the validity of 'one person, one vote.'" On July 4th of all days.
That the right wing's Flying Monkeys are unapologetic is totally unsurprising.
ReplyDeleteThe real question is whether their nonsense (and their inability to back off their nonsense in light of irrefutable evidence) will stop Pundettes like Howie Kurtz from lending them the veneer of credibility by quoting them and inviting them on their shows.
Unacquainted with "Atlas Shrugs," I was unsure for quite a portion of the video whether it was parody.
ReplyDeleteDisturbingly, and as Glenn himself has pointed out here, Pam is very real. She is, of course, beyond insane but crazy people have things to say as well.
"Riding this wave of massive public rage" gives an ominous new meaning to "hang ten," eh?
ReplyDeleteSweet lord - that was beyond painful.
ReplyDeleteBill Keller also deserves to be hanged from a lamppost for running this. What's he trying to do, make it seem like Bush & Co. want an endless war on terrorism?
ReplyDeleteUm...wait.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?hp&ex=1152072000&en=5ced05aa2a8d9b76&ei=5094&partner=homepage
Happy 4th of July everyone.
ReplyDelete"IMAO, I think it stinks."
If this isnt a typo, what does the "A" in IMAO. Assinine? Abhorrant?
After watching that video of Pamela, I was trying to come up with a word, to describe the rant. I settled on,
Unhinged
Just how many people showed up for their 'massive protest'? They wave their hands dismissively at tens of thousands, so I'd really like to know their standards.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, to those people who view the world through an "all brown Islamic people are murderous thugs who live in caves" filter, she comes off as being perfectly reasonable. And there's a depressingly large number of people who think like that.
ReplyDeleteAn additional thought on today's Osama story in the NYT...
ReplyDeleteMaybe that's why the Right Wing SMEARSH is going all out to discredit the Times. It's at least conceivable that Keller & Co. are onto something very very nasty regarding Bushco and Mr. Bin Laden (I'm thinking of OBL's message five days before the 2004 election, etc.)
Just how many people showed up for their 'massive protest'?
ReplyDeleteThe person to whom Malkin linked, Aaron, said there were 20 people there. Matt Stoller told me the same thing. But that includes Malkin, the Hot Air guy, Cliff Kinkaid and Matt Stoller - so really, there were 16.
This blog is wonderful. Your "dream evidence" bit made the issue laugh-out-loud clear.
ReplyDeleteI don't know how I got to your site, but thank you for being rational.
It's at least conceivable that Keller & Co. are onto something very very nasty regarding Bushco and Mr. Bin Laden (I'm thinking of OBL's message five days before the 2004 election, etc.)
ReplyDeleteanonymous @ 10:53 AM
If you pay attention, you'll hear the tune
Zenster666 sez:
ReplyDeleteAtlas' boob(s) is long on ad hominem and shrillness. I don't understand how you can be excited enough to watch this repeatedly. It's painful. She's an embarrassment, but so what? I think these guys will cross over into self-parody soon (if they haven't already) and hopefully incinerate themselves with their own hype. I also wager that there was nobody else in the room but her. How very narcissistic.
How about some "uplifting" for a change, some food for the soul about what's right, rather than what's wrong?
ReplyDeleteI can't think of anything more appropriate to do on July 4th than document the severe and unprecedented threats to our constitutional system of government and the liberties it guarantees.
But if you're hungry for cliched tributes to the flag by people who don't actually believe in what it represents, you will have no trouble find them. Just click on a few of the links I provided in my post.
How about some "uplifting" for a change, some food for the soul about what's right, rather than what's wrong?
ReplyDelete10:57 AM
shooter, why don't you share with us what it is you find uplifting? (I'm being perfectly serious.)
Akadad,
ReplyDeleteIMAO is this blog, I think. Not LMAO. I forget what it stands for, something awful I'm sure...
http://www.imao.us/
I guess the meme that King Kos ordered the Clownhouse to propagate today is that conservative bloggers are backtracking on the criticm of the NYT's exposure of the very private information of some administration officials.
ReplyDeleteIt's just another diversionary attempt away from discussing the real issue of the NYT exposing a crucial, legal, and effective counter-terrorism program.
I think it's very important to find out who the politicians and journalists are that belong to the mendacious propaganda machine known as the Clownhouse and expose them as the sophistric underhanded cretins they are.
Is there anyone else from the Clownhouse willing to come forward to do the right and turn this rock over and expose these insects to th light?
I guess the meme that King Kos ordered the Clownhouse to propagate today is that conservative bloggers are backtracking on the criticm of the NYT's exposure of the very private information of some administration officials.
ReplyDeleteI guess the fact that Glenn and others are reporting that that the bloggers in question are refusing to backtrack has escaped your notice.
C'mon Dispshit.....16 protesters plus 4 "organizers? Even YOU can see that evn right wingers stayed away in droves. This is probably due to not wanting to appear as delusional as you.
ReplyDeleteDo you know how frightening it would be if all 5000 of them showed up in their underwear with their cheeto stained mouths and fingers? NYC would think that their was an epidemic of jaundice.
ReplyDeleteIMAO is this blog, I think. Not LMAO.
ReplyDeleteI saw it as IMO, "In my opinion", or IMHO, "in my humble opinion.
I never saw an IMAO before...
BTW, congrats on the success of your book Glenn...
Happy Fourth of July!
ReplyDeleteThat's how I'm celebrating.
The CIA unit hunting bin Laden was disbanded secretly a year ago so they could go after the real enemy. The New York Times.
I can't wait for November to be rid of these incompetent clowns.
akadad....try this link
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imao
Ken said...
ReplyDeleteThanks Ken, you cleared it up.
The "A" stands for arrogant. Now it makes perfect sense.
Hey Glenn..
ReplyDeleteAre David Schuster and Keith Olberman members of the Clownhouse?
Ken said...
ReplyDeleteC'mon Dispshit.....16 protesters plus 4 "organizers? Even YOU can see that evn right wingers stayed away in droves. This is probably due to not wanting to appear as delusional as you.
11:12 AM
I must be getting senile because I don't remember commenting on this at all.
I guess the meme that King Kos ordered the Clownhouse to propagate today is that conservative bloggers are backtracking on the criticm of the NYT's exposure of the very private information of some administration officials.
ReplyDeleteDipshit,
didn't you post numerous times yesterday with your belief that the photographer probably had no permission to take the photographs that she did, making a huge deal that she had not produced some signed document for your perusal?
Didn't you post this:
Hmmm....does anyone else find it extremely suspicious that there is no evidence offered up by Spillers of Rumsfeld's permission and the fact that Kilborn is not responding?
Just wait, it'll come out that Spillers will claim that Kilborn told her he got it from Rummsfeld and Kilborn will claim it was a miscommunication.
along with many other accusations that the supposed release was a lie.
After all of that, after being demonstrably wrong, as usual, this is all the response you can muster? How can you be so lacking in pride and shame to even show up here?
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you?
Nothing short of amazing and deranged is how I would describe the video I just watched. 5 minutes of total insanity. But what else can you expect?
ReplyDeleteI didn't know what it was an acronym of. I knew it was a blog that talks about killing hippies and leftists. It's fascism with a smiley face. All fun and games.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.imao.us/
It's Stormfront with a sense of humor.
How about some "uplifting" for a change, some food for the soul about what's right, rather than what's wrong?
ReplyDeleteI think this is pretty uplifting.
Some perspective on the 4th of July.
ReplyDeleteWe celebrate our country's independence from Great Britain and the resulting freedom on this day.
That independence was gained through force of arms and paid for with the blood of our soldiers.
In 1776, we lost nearly all of our battles and hundreds of soldiers, leaving a shattered Continental Army with a decision to persevere or surrender. Today, the John Murthas of the country tell us that our army in Iraq, which has never lost a battle and has suffered only around 2500 KIA over three years, is "broken," the battle it is fighting is lost and we should surrender the battlefield to the enemy. If John Murtha was leading the Continental Army instead of George Washington, we would have surrendered our independence.
George Washington succeeded in in large part by using an extensive system of spies to gain intelligence on the British and their American sympathizers with no thought at all about their "privacy rights." No newspaper of the time would have considered publishing the names of Washington's spy masters or spies on the spurious ground of the "public's right to know." If the NYT and its ilk had been publishing at that time and disclosed Washington's intelligence gathering to the British, we would have lost our independence.
George Washington held the country's first military tribunals of captured enemy disguised as civilians. The captured enemy had no lawyers and far less due process than the al Qaeda terrorists at Gitmo. The enemy was given a hearing and hung. If the ACLU and its ilk had their way during the Revolution, the enemy would have been released to continue to war against our fledgling nation.
Today, as the world's preeminent power, we have the illusion of invulnerability and feel we have the luxury to harm our military at war without cost to ourselves. However, in 1776, we enjoyed no such luxury.
bart said...
ReplyDeleteSome perspective on the... Screeech! White noise... White noise... White noise... White noise... White noise... White noise... White noise... Hurry up November.
If some of you like that sort of thing, (it's like watching Fear Factor, I guess), here's anothe video report from Pamela:
ReplyDeleteAtlas Jumped The shark Long Ago
...along with many other accusations that the supposed release was a lie.
ReplyDeleteAfter all of that, after being demonstrably wrong, as usual, this is all the response you can muster? How can you be so lacking in pride and shame to even show up here?
Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you?
11:32 AM
In what context was that supposed permission to take that photo give? According to the Greg Sargent blog post, this is what Rumsfeld's spokesperson said: "She got approval to take a picture," Wheeler told me. "She called, we said fine, go take the picture. And that's it."
Take special note of the sentence emphasized in bold print.
Has Kilborn responded yet with a statement about permission to give previously unknown details about the locations of the homes, in particular identifying and giving positions of secuity devices?
No?.....I didn't think so.
Does anybody know what a "fairweather privocrat" is?
ReplyDeleteHey Glenn..
ReplyDeleteIs Chucky Schumer a member of Clownhouse?
Read this quote from Michael Steele with regard to Schumer having the DSCC steal his SSN and credit report:
MICHAEL STEELE, LT. GOV. MARYLAND, NEXT SENATOR OF MD.: I’ve put out the word to Senator Schumer and others; you can either apologize to me now or you can wait until I show up on the Senate floor and do it then. One way or another, you’re going to do it.
What's the Clownhouse position on this scandal?...since you seem to be interested in privacy issues, and all.
One source of continuing amusement in this sad world is Horowitz is the last living speaker of the dialect known as Stalinese. While he reversed his (ostensible) ideological loyalties his methods, his prose, his outlook (pure authoritarian) is vintage Kremlin ca 1950. Style is the man.
ReplyDeleteHas Kilborn responded yet with a statement about permission to give previously unknown details about the locations of the homes, in particular identifying and giving positions of secuity devices?
ReplyDelete"Dipshit" - I'm asking you politely to please refrain from posting as many times as you do in each thread, repeating the same "points over and over." The only effect of your participation is to be disruptive and I believe that is your intent.
I really don't want to have to delete your comments or ban you, but if you continue in this manner, making the comment section here akin to some sort of mud-throwing sewer, I won't have any choice.
Halfway during [AIM's Cliff] Kinkaid's speech, three muslim tourists stopped to watch and began speaking in their foreign tongue. I thought it was a bit ironic.
ReplyDeleteHow would he know that the tourists were Muslim? Were they carrying Korans? Were the women wearing chadors or burkas? Or maybe they were some random brown people who wore different clothes and chose to speak in a tongue that the ignorant freepers couldn't understand. Damn them for spending part of their vacations in America's capital city.
Bart... Today, as the world's preeminent power, we have the illusion of invulnerability and feel we have the luxury to harm our military at war without cost to ourselves. However, in 1776, we enjoyed no such luxury.
ReplyDeleteIn 1776, as the world's pre-eminent power, the British empire had the illusion of invulnerability and invaded a faraway colony with no army or navy to speak of and got it's ass kicked. And they didn't have to deal with an inconvenient constitution or civil liberties and rights and freedoms. Why was that?
Just me, but I think Wass' story re: Bush and the Plame investigation may put an end to the "NYT discloses secrets" argument.
ReplyDeleteCan a conservative appear on a non-Fox show and not be asked "okay, the President allegedly may have disclosed secret information in a political fight -- isn't your stance contradictory?"
Again, IMHO, but placing the Plame identity in context (did the disclosure of either her or the front companies damage our attempts to ascertain Iran's attempts to procure WMD's) would put an end to their latest talking point.
The conservatives will spin their to an answer, but it ultimately makes the spin almost an incomprehensible pretzel. At this point, they aren't engaged in real discourse; it is high school debate, responding with something -- ANYTHING -- in order to have a response, any response.
I watched the video like you said. She's nuts. I do agree with her that watching CNN is "one long clinical depression session," though probably for different reasons.
ReplyDeleteSorry for the double post, but one thing I wanted to add:
ReplyDeleteactivist conservatives are primarily motivated by rage against "the elite". Those you see on the blogs have been listening to Limbaugh, et al. for the last decade -- so they have to be angry with something when they hold political power in all three branches.
So they find something to be angry about and rally their base (immigrants, the media), irrespective of whether it has anything to do with what is really at issue.
Glenn...
ReplyDeleteSimply answer the question. It's entirely germain, if not completely pivotal, to the discussion.
My take on what is happening is this hardcore Bush-supporter crowd has realized that their influence on the media is slipping, and it terrifies them. This looks much like the hysterical scrabbling after insubstantial handholds from the doomed while they slide further into the pit.
ReplyDeleteHappy July 4th! Saying that is all the good news I need to hear today.
ReplyDeleteI'm willing to bet that Bill Bennett wasn't gambling with his idea the public was against the NY Times. It's not like that man to roll the dice and hope to find a winning message. He's a man of unique character that would only go with a sure thing, rather than hope his message hits and comes up a winner.
Why on earth would anyone spend time analyzing the moronic screechings of such obvious sociopaths as Malkin, Pamela, Goldstein, et al, let alone increase their traffic and build them up into something more relevant and important than they are? The real targets of our outrage and contempt should be the administration, their handmaidens in Congress (Dems especially), and the mainstream media (yes, including the Times, which made its bed as far as I'm concerned). Please let's not take our eye off the ball. Bashing wingnut bloggers is just too easy, and too fun. But I'm afraid it is a diversion.
ReplyDeleteNo, Glenn, you're just not understanding how deep the conspiracy goes.
ReplyDeletebart: If John Murtha was leading the Continental Army instead of George Washington, we would have surrendered our independence.
ReplyDeleteOh, give it a rest. Nobody cares what you think of Murtha.
bart: feel we have the luxury to harm our military at war without cost to ourselves.
Yes, yes, we all love to harm the military. I know I love it. Quite a luxury. You're as insightful as ever.
pug: Does anybody know what a "fairweather privocrat" is?
I'm assuming it is supposed to be someone who cares about privacy only when it benefits them personally. I don't think this phrase is going to catch on.
dickmulliken: Horowitz is the last living speaker of the dialect known as Stalinese.
I cannot fathom how people with ostensibly conservative ideals can take his BS seriously. What a slimeball.
From Crazy Dave Horowitz:
ReplyDeleteWe are in the midst of two wars – a war with fanatical religious terrorists (I know it’s hard for lefties to relate to this) and a domestic political war more savage than in any comparable context since the American Civil War – worse by far than Vietnam because the paranoia and hate directed at this Administration comes from leaders of the Democratic Party and the “establishment” media not just crackpots.
Dave, of course, was one of those "crackpots" from the New Left in Berkeley during the Vietnam War. This is the same type of stuff he used to write then with his talk of the inevitable "Revolution".
He was one of those John Lennon sang about in the song Revolution: "But when you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out".
Dave's been a nut for a long, long time and he shouldn't be allowed to forget it. The mentality is the same whether it comes from the left or the right. He was a crackpot then and he remains a crackpot.
Its an amazing bit of projection really...
ReplyDelete"They published pictures of Rumsfield's driveway? That means they want him dead!!"
WHAAAAAA?
'Because Rumsfeld gave permission' may cut it with the moonbats and fairweather privocrats. Not with me."
ReplyDeleteSounds like Rummy needs to be put on suicide watch;>
What are Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter doing living in NYC?
ReplyDeleteWhy on earth would anyone spend time analyzing the moronic screechings of such obvious sociopaths as Malkin, Pamela, Goldstein, et al, let alone increase their traffic and build them up into something more relevant and important than they are?
ReplyDeleteI've answered this a thousand times -- most extensively here -- but it's important, so I will simply note again that both Malkin and Powerline have more daily readers than most newspapers in this country and are regularly put on television news programs and held out as some sort of credible leaders of conservative opinion-making. To believe that they are irrelevant is to deny reality.
Independently, the more light is shined on the true underbelly of the dominant factions of the Right and how they think, the better. They spew highly irrational and ugly sentiments and the more those are tied to the Bush movement, the better it is. Allowing the Bush extremists to go unnoticed is the biggest favor you can do for them.
The real targets of our outrage and contempt should be the administration, their handmaidens in Congress (Dems especially), and the mainstream media (yes, including the Times, which made its bed as far as I'm concerned).
If you think the most constructive thing to do is sit around and bash Congressional Democrats and The New York Times, then you are the Bush administration's best friend. In case you haven't noticed, that's exactly what they do. Why would you think that an effective way to combat them is to attack the very few entities which -- as deeply imperfect as they are -- are opposing them in any meaningful way?
How did you find out that the Bush administration is eavesdropping on Americans without warrants? How did you learn that they created secret gulags in Eastern Europe? How do you know that they created programs to compile a massive data base of all the domestic calls made and received by Americans, or to monitor all of our banking transactions?
And why do you think that Bush administration is doing everything possible to demonize and intimidate the media? In what conceivable way would it be a good idea to join in that effort?
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ReplyDeleteYou gentlemen (and ladies) keep saying you can't "wait until November." Do you hate conservatism in general, or the Bush administration in particular?
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I feel compelled to say this is an illuminating blog and helps me see "the other side." Many thanks! :-)
Well, I just want to know when we're finally going to do something about all those America haters who tell the terrorists WHERE THE PRESIDENT LIVES.
ReplyDeleteI mean, I was just driving down [redacted for National Security Reasons] the other day, and I was shocked to see a SIGN POINTING THE WAY to the WHITE HOUSE.
You know, if those signs had been there in 1812 . . . uh, nevermind.
Oh, you’ve really made a fool of yourself this time Glenn. Trying to make fun of Pamela – what are you thinking?
ReplyDeleteNow, please, Pamela is considered one of the leading intellectuals of the conservative movement, and she is adored by all the intellectual giants including distinguished Law Professor Glenn Reynolds.
Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Pipes, Charles Johnson, Tim Blair, the list goes on and on and she has the photos to prove it. She is adored by everyone at Pajamas Media – the repository of the finest minds in the universe.
Now really, would she invited to such events, and associate with such distinguished people if her mind wasn’t one of the finest in the country?
Her witty repartee makes her a delight at every party and event. After his fourth ( or fifth?) drink, Glenn Reynolds said, “she’s clearly more than her silicone” – or, er, something like that. Vodka Pundit, face down in the carpeting, could not be reached for comment.
Clearly, Glenn Greenwald is extremely jealous of her analytical and rhetorical skills, and you notice he didn’t even try to refute her evidence that only 3 people agree with Bill Keller that this is the most secretive administration since Nixon.
The lame Greenwald was left speechless by her assertion that Hillary wouldn’t even give up a “staple” in the Whitewater investigation. There, right there, is proof positive that the Clintons were more secretive.
Thank God Jonah’s mother got a hold of the DNA on that “fat Jewish girl’s underwear” because the Clinton-loving press never went after Whitewater, the murder of Vince Foster, and the serial rapes and drug-dealing he did while governor of Arkansas.
Pam is right. Greenwald (like Keller) is “indulged and absorbed” and Pam’s wisdom (as shown in this video) is beyond a doubt and that’s why Greenwald is a Glenn Reynold’s wannabe and will never be nothing more – in my arrogant opinion, anyway.
Jacques Cuze said...
ReplyDeleteWhat are Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter doing living in NYC?
Great nick!
I new a distant relation.
Jacques Cuze Toe?
They live in NYC because they can afford to live there in the style to which they have become accustomed as the two pre-eminent conservative welfare queens of all time. There has never been any other kind of welfare queen. Welcome to the conservative nanny state of fascism.
Look Glenn, guys, don't be so rude to dipshit and stop being so snarky about Pamela at Atlas Shrugged. They both have an important point to make and which we should all listen to.
ReplyDeleteAnd that point being, that since the US started investing less and less in the provision of mental health care for the American public, such sad, deranged, demented, grammatically disabled, obviously gaga individuals like dipshit and Pamela are what passes for the intellect of the Conservative movement.
I mean, this guy chooses 'dipshit' for his handle - hello? And 'Atlas Shrugged'? The one book read by people in their college years who then never read another book again, written by an egomaniac who spent her final years on a funny farm? Come on guys, be nice to the trolls! No more snarks and trying to trap them with logic - don't you know they create their own logic?
Seriously folks, all we need to do for these trolls is to ignore them. That's like garlic to a vampire - they'll get increasingly unhinged trying to get someone, *anyone*, to respond, at which point Glenn can kick them off. They aren't here on this board to inform us of anything or to try and understand Glenn or anyone else's point of view. Let their posts here be as futile and doomed as the rest of their sorry-ass lives.
They spew highly irrational and ugly sentiments and the more those are tied to the Bush movement, the better it is.
ReplyDeleteI hope your right. Most Bush supporting conservatives I talk to simply trust the President and otherwise aren't really involved in political thought. I think if they were more aware of the venom being put out there in their name they'd actually be uncomfortable with it.
Pam is right. Greenwald (like Keller) is “indulged and absorbed”
ReplyDeleteAnd "narcistic", the best is when she tries to use big words.
and Pam’s wisdom (as shown in this video) is beyond a doubt and that’s why Greenwald is a Glenn Reynold’s wannabe and will never be nothing more – in my arrogant opinion, anyway.
Check out the powerline interview with Bolton where they all take her inane questions really, really seriously.
Atlas Shrugged, Twice...Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Pipes, Charles Johnson, Tim Blair, the list goes on and on and she has the photos to prove it. She is adored by everyone at Pajamas Media – the repository of the finest minds in the universe.
ReplyDeleteI'm certain there is a 666 secreted someplace on the body of Daniel "Pan" Pipes
Do you hate conservatism in general, or the Bush administration in particular?
ReplyDeleteSpeaking for myself only, I have no problem with principled conservatives. I happen to disagree with it, but I have great respect for many people who hold on to that point of view.
On the other hand, the crypto-fascist psuedoconservatism that the Bush administration and their followers adhere to deserves no respect at all.
They have no principles at all except that there is one great decider who rule over all. The old 'conservative' principles of limited government and respect for the rule of law have been abandoned for a neo-Stalinist view that every citizen must follow the wishes of the party machinery. This approach has been tried several times in human history, and always ends badly.
Keep doing what you're doing, Glenn. Someone has to, and the rest of us throw up our hands in despair long before we're able to observe and analyse ideological insanity right through to its most fundamental dishonesty and disregard for reality.
ReplyDeleteWhat has enabled the purveyors of such lunacy (Malkin, Horowitz, Hinderaker...Atlas Shrugs is excepted...she's obviously mentally ill) to achieve as high a status as they have is still the mystery that needs to be exposed.
Glenn and Fellow Patriots,
ReplyDeletethe link below gives you a chance to Join the Founders, Sign the Declaration, and print out a copy
made me think of Glenn and thought you and your community might enjoy it
http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/declaration_join_the_signers.html
Warning: there are consequences ...
dr. limerick... Regarding "fair weather privocrats," my first thought on "privocrats," is "people who get rich off dividends from Halliburton and other corporations feeding at the 'privatize the war' trough."
ReplyDeleteI thought those types were privateers. Just pirates with a roving commission.
The NY Times has become the daily journal of American treason, and a grave threat to the lives of every one of us. This vile rag should be utterly destroyed financially, and its publisher, editors, and culpable reporters should spend the rest of their miserable lives buried in the darkest hole of the Federal SuperMax in Colorado.
ReplyDeleteVideos of that woman:
ReplyDeleteThat's twice recently that I've gone to video links of this woman. Please don't ever link me to her again. I find her repulsive in every way. She is the definition of vulgar, ignorant and arrogant.
atlas shrugged, twice said...
ReplyDeleteThat had to be satirical. This kinda gives it away, or then again, they just might be lunatics...
Thank God Jonah’s mother got a hold of the DNA on that “fat Jewish girl’s underwear” because the Clinton-loving press never went after Whitewater...
I'm sorry, but I couldn't watch more than a 30 seconds of that stupid-ass video. I started feeling like I needed to go take a shower.
ReplyDeleteAtlas Shrugs is excepted...she's obviously mentally ill)
ReplyDeleteBlame Reagan. He cut funding that let all the crazy people out of the asylums on to the street. Some of them married money and now they are Republicans.
Glenn, your point on exposing the toxicity of the leading wingnut commentators is well taken, but I think you err in your "enemy of my enemy is my friend" formulation regarding the mainstream media and the quisling (or merely cowed or ineffectual) Dems in Congress. The NYT helped get us into the Iraq mess, and, like the members of the opposition party whose job it is to demand accountability and to hold the President to the law, has for five long years continuously failed to hold the administration's feet to the fire on outrages too numerous to name. All the major media outlets and Congress failed the American people. Normally we see comeuppance as a good thing, a corrective. Let the Times fight its battle with their ink, let them show us that they are worthy of our respect. And let the Dems in Congress stand up. Some have, and that's good. But the contempt of the Bush administration is not enough to make an intitution deserving of our respect. That's something which must be earned by deeds.
ReplyDeleteI have to laugh. Down here in the LATE great state of (gag) Texas, the good ol' boys down at the Elks lodge don't even know the New York Times or the Washington post exist. They mostly read the local paper (the old ones that is) but there probably isn't a person in Denton (even with 2 universities) that reads the NYT even on the internet. Most of the people out here in the (gag) base don't even read their local paper and what a big National paper says passes (zzzztttt) right over their heads. I think they are just having a temper tantrum because somebody out here doesn't want a dictator and they can't take that (of course).
ReplyDeleteHorowitz: "We are in the midst of two wars – a war with fanatical religious terrorists (I know it’s hard for lefties to relate to this)"
ReplyDeleteActually, I can relate to this with no problem at all. You say "religious fanatic" and I think of Pat Robertson. Say "fanatical religious terrorist" and I think of abortion clinic bombers and snipers who shoot doctors. I know I'm s'posed to be scared of the scary brown people, but I'm more worried about the scary white people in this country.
Robble, robble.
ReplyDeletePRIVOCRAT
ReplyDeleteAs best I can determine, the term "privocrat" originates with The Manhattan Institute's Heather MacDonald, who in 2004 editorialized in the WSJ, in a piece called the "The 'Privacy' Jihad," as follows :
The "privocrats" will rightly tell you that eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. Trouble is, they're aiming their vigilance at the wrong target. She has written several times criticizing groups like the Electronic Privacy Information Center and what she deems to be the misguided agenda of the "privacy battalions."
According to this source, MacDonald is a contributing editor to City Journal, and her WSJ editorial was a shorter version of what she had set forth in CJ. He states "privocrats" is "[MacDonald's] pejorative name for her opponents."
Malkin must be a Heather MacDonald fan, and fellow soldier fighting the war against the privacy battalions.
I caught snippets of an interview on NPR yesterday. It sounds as though the tighty righties are trying to shift attention from the vacation home embarassment and back onto the NYT's SWIFT "revelations."
ReplyDeleteNot only did this offer a glimpse of Bushco's immediate political strategy creaking into action; it was a reminder of the right's takeover of the media, up to and including their grab at NPR.
Glenn: While the Times article on St. Michaels is clearly Nadagate, not Travelgate, you extrapolate pretty wildly yourself when you assert that:
ReplyDelete"Literally, virtually every political controversy we have is generated by this fact-impervious mindset, this refusal to accept that what one wishes is true is not, in fact, true."
While I'd quarrel with your use of "literally," there's certainly plenty of metaphorical impermeability in evidence on both sides of every contentious issue on the table -- but there are fact based arguments to be found on either side as well. The folks I'm most likely to discount are the ones who are reliably pro or anti Administration, regardless of the issue, along with anyone posting as "Anonymous," of course.
For relatively cliché free holiday fare of both uplifting and cynical ilk, try Quasiblog's compendium of quotes on patriotism. The Brian Eno item alone is worth the scroll, but I commend it to your particular attention here:
"The central problem of politics: Do you paint simplistic pictures that make people act (and leave them with too simplistic a view of the world) or do you paint baffingly shaded and contingent scenes that leave people paralyzed by indecision?"
The wingnuts have got to be unfathomably stupid to think that a NY Times photographer would have been able to walk up to Dick Cheney's or Donald Rumsfeld's house in broad daylight and shoot pictures without encountering some sort of security patrol. We're talking about the Vice-President and the Secretary of Defense, for christ's sake.
ReplyDeleteIt should have been obvious that the Times had prior clearance.
My bad: Forgot to insert the URL for the Quasiblog Compendium.
ReplyDeleteAne Qui Rit said... Sometimes I'm almost tempted to believe that David was a government plant, but nah. The FBI's notion of investigating the SDS back then was to read back issues of Rolling Stone.
ReplyDeleteGoogle SDS and FBI and you will see that is just not the case. Davey may just have been such. It's the FBI's MO.
JM Hanes said... The folks I'm most likely to discount are the ones who are reliably pro or anti Administration, regardless of the issue, along with anyone posting as "Anonymous," of course.
ReplyDelete(...)
The Brian Eno item alone is worth the scroll, but I commend it to your particular attention here:
"The central problem of politics: Do you paint simplistic pictures that make people act (and leave them with too simplistic a view of the world) or do you paint baffingly shaded and contingent scenes that leave people paralyzed by indecision?"
Which one are you, again?
I can't do it. I tried. I can't. I may have to fashion a makeshift knife from this coffe cup to cut my eyes out just for the small part I watched. Damn, it's a paper coffee cup. I may have to set in on fire and mash it into my eyeballs. God. Please help this sinner. By killing him now. Please.
ReplyDeleteOh I get it! Hanes makes underwear and he's a fence straddler. Ouch!
ReplyDeleteI love the guys who write so eloquently and say nothing. Thank God for Glenn.
Happy fourth everyone!
ReplyDeleteI wish that the Atlas Shrugged video wasn't so funny, but I agree with Glenn. I will probably have to watch it later in the day, if only for the minor conniptions she seems to have in the middle of it.
Of course, as someone in the comments section of that post notes:
Is this a comedy site, or are you just bat shit crazy??
Posted by: Robert | Tuesday, July 04, 2006 at 12:00 PM
is a legitimate question.
And not to engage in a grand debate, Bart - but framing Murtha's stance on a withdrawal from an occupation of a country we invaded against Washington's ability to rally troops in the Revolutionary War is more than a little disingenuous. Like it or not, there are a lot of people who question whether or not our basic liberty (liberties) depended, on the invasion of Iraq. This means that we necessarily question whether our defense of those liberties would demand continued presence there as an occupying force. Murtha has obviously concluded that this was a mistake, and is trying to rectify that. I do believe that his years of military service demand that he be given the respect of not yelling coward and traitor every time he raises a question.
Washington had British troops at his house.
The two situations are not at all analogous.
Ane Qui Rit writes:
ReplyDeleteBasically, it was Horowitz and likeminded Little Lenins who took over the SDS in the mid-60s and then proceeded to ruin it with a lot of sidewalk Marxism.
In addition to Horowitz, who specifically were some of these other "likeminded Little Lenins" who took over and ruined the SDS?
"Which one are you, again?"
ReplyDeleteLOL! Didn't you just claim that any name will do?
"I love the guys who write so eloquently and say nothing."
As opposed to the anonymous guys struggling to sound clever saying nothing.
JM Hanes is too clever by half.
ReplyDeleteNo wonder he comes here to try to grab some of Glenn's traffic.
How many of those 23 reasons for war does GWB have in common with KGIII?
Here Casper, add these to your post on patriotism. It could use some color.
You think we waste Gooks for "freedom"? This is a slaughter. If I'm gonna get my balls blown off for a word, my word is poontang.
Animal Mother in Gus Hasford's FMJ
In an uneccessary war, patriotism is just racism made to sound noble.
Gus Hasford, USMC, Private Joker
Glenn:
ReplyDeleteConservatives don't do demonstrations. We simply do not have the time.
We start businesses, invest our money in the economy, create wealth, raise families and VOTE.
Conservatives don't have public hissy fits on the street for the media, we get even with the media where it hurts.
As the leading consumers of news, conservatives have been moving away from the Donkey media to alternative sources about 20 years now. Take a look at the plunging readership, viewership and stock value of the Donkey media and the fact that the Donkey media's candidates lose routinely in actual elections.
The funniest part of the clip was "How dare they politicize this issue! How dare they make it a partisan issue!".
ReplyDeleteUttered in apparently sincere belief that it was the *left* that politicized terrorism/national-security issues and made them partisan.
Does this qualify for a diagnosis of delusional paranoia?
Also, it's pretty despicable for bart to put words in Murtha's mouth about what he would have done during the Revolution, let alone speculate with absolutely no evidence about what the Times would have published and what consequences it would have had. I also like the offhand assumption that *of course* traitors and terrorists couldn't possibly be convicted in fair trials - if we don't have kangaroo courts, we'll be simply forced to let them all go!
I have something to celebrate on the 4th of July: the recent ruling in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld. It establishes that at least one branch of our government still believes that the President has no authority (explicit or implicit) to break the law. I can only hope that Congress will recover its wits soon enough to not permit all laws restraining the President to be repealed - that would truly be a disaster for this country, putting an end to over 200 years of limited representative democracy with a strong tradition of individual freedom.
Justice Thomas is a scary kook, though. The fundamental principle underlying his dissent is Fuhrerprinzip. He calls it "deference to the judgment of the executive", but it's clear that he would abdicate the Court's responsibility to enforce the Constitution and the law, if it meant possibly scrutinizing a decision of the President.
To Bart -
ReplyDeleteOkay, your opinion on the issue is duly noted.
Now, do you actually have anything of substance to add to the discussion?
To Bart and all contrarians -
ReplyDeleteIf the Bush Administration is indeed so committed to fighting terror, please explain this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html?ex=1309665600&en=3779ed9b98bb9d22&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
bart said...
ReplyDeleteGlenn:
Conservatives don't do demonstrations. We simply do not have the time.
Or the numbers. Besides, air conditioned limousines are expensive and who wants to walk when you can ride in comfort?
We start businesses, invest our money in the economy, create wealth, raise families and VOTE.
OK. Please tell us what you think liberals do. This should be good.
Conservatives don't have public hissy fits on the street for the media, we get even with the media where it hurts.
They get to go on cable news channels and have them in those nice air conditioned studios... with make up.
As the leading consumers of news, conservatives have been moving away from the Donkey media to alternative sources about 20 years now. Take a look at the plunging readership, viewership and stock value of the Donkey media and the fact that the Donkey media's candidates lose routinely in actual elections.
That's rough on the newspapers. Just what is the circulation of the Washington Times, WSJ, NYTimes and WaPo?
But who needs them?
Liberal Blogosphere Surpasses Cable News
Dailykos Is As Large As The Entire Conservative Blogosphere
If you were a smart businessman, (you obviously aren't), which audience would you be courting to improve your bottom line?
You need a permanent links section to a list of stories like this: Every time the right wing blogs so convincingly demonstrate their utter lack of respect for honesty, facts or decency it should be catalogged for the average reader to peruse.
ReplyDeleteWe definitely need something as a vaccine against outrage fatigue.
The Major is satire, right? The spelling is almost as funny as the ideas (I know major, i know your response, "not as funny to the troops.")
ReplyDeleteAfraid you'll have to add it yourself, whatever self that might be. You're the one doing the ghost writing here.
ReplyDeleteI don't think you need to worry about a blogger who lets months pass between posts stealing any traffic from Glenn! I thought it was a pretty interesting collection of ideas on patriotism. YMMV.
These right-wing blogger clowns like Malkin would make excellent docile citizens of the old Soviet Union.
ReplyDeleteTo celebrate July 4, I've renewed my NY Times subscription.
ReplyDeleteHonestly, at this point I can't tell if he's for real or pure satire...or a bunch of monkeys hammering on keyboards.
ReplyDeleteSHUT UP libs, we dont believe your lies, and we work hard have jobs aren't gay and support troops. free market president. Why do you deniggrate Christians? This is a Christian country, ok, so get out if you hate it so much.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThe Major is satire, right? The spelling is almost as funny as the ideas (I know major, i know your response, "not as funny to the troops.")
It's gotten to the point where it's impossible to tell. Even Bart's contorions of logic are becoming comical.
Okay. Are we supposed to take "freedom will not fail" seriously?
ReplyDeleteAll I know is I love the smell of wingnut heads exploding. It smells like... victory.
ReplyDeleteyankeependragon said...
ReplyDeleteOkay. Are we supposed to take "freedom will not fail" seriously?
Do you take the sincere ones seriously? When they become indistinduishable from parody, we have won. Thanks in large part to Glenn. He's backed them down. First time in a long time.
Okay, I just checked out the major's site and I'm going with satire. Maybe he's one of colbert's writers testing out new material. The give away was he's got a post about how Bush should run another four years because America will be kick ass for 4 more years.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, it is funny how he and Bart can be so close in logic and content.
Seriously, when up is down and black is white, everything is ridiculously funny. Does that make any sense?
ReplyDeleteI thought Major was a parody too, but you never know these days. How can any master of the art of parody top Pamela?
ReplyDeleteThe Major is satire, right? The spelling is almost as funny as the ideas (I know major, i know your response, "not as funny to the troops.")
ReplyDeleteIt's gotten to the point where it's impossible to tell.
The best satire leaves you unsure if it's satire. And I go back and forth every day on the Major, so if it is satire, it is truly brilliant. And if it's not, it's truly scary.
If he's not satire or parody, I'm just embarrassed s/he's a member of the species.
ReplyDeleteProvided s/he actually *is* Homo Sapien Sapien, that is.
Incidentally, anyone interested in more Pammy viewing amusement should click on her user name "Atlasshrugs2000" at YouTube.com. She has 10 "vlogs" or whatever she's calling her rants these days.
ReplyDeleteWhenever Malkin or the others open their mouths on any show that contains a non-cultist participant, Malkin, Horowitz and group should be forced to confront their denial of reality. It must be Murrow time on every TV program, radio program, newspaper and magazine until either they acknowledge voiceferously the dangerous wrongness of their actions and apologize profusely over and over, or their credibility is reduced into negative numbers.
ReplyDeleteAny television/radio program host/hostess who harbors them any bobble head who supports them must himself or herself be relentlessly questioned until they themselves take these people to account. There must be a clear line between news people and cultist entertainers.
No editor, no magazine owner, no book publisher, no television producer, no radio network can be given credibility when hosting these cultists and bolstering their credibility as journalists. If Jason Blair's missteps were considered such an anathema at the NYT, people like Malkin and Horowitz need to receive treatment in proportion from the media outlets that nurtured them, or the media outlets themselves need to be official reduced to the status of the "Weekly World News". Though many may feel this may be a fitting end for the "Weekly Standard" and its ilk. It would be smart of these organizations to police themselves now to prevent such a fate.
Rush getting caught with Viagra in the airport was a metaphor for the current health of the whole right-wing media machine which has fallen into a period of unprecendented debauchery, during which it can no longer get it up without medical assitance. From dating news people posing as entertainers now they are flirting with entirely fictional characters. The analogy goes as deep as the reader would like to persue it.
To watch the video of Pam does one have to download videoegg?
ReplyDeleteTo watch the video of Pam does one have to download videoegg?
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of parodies and satire, and not being able to tell whether someone is for real or not, it appears that Eyes Glazed Over is now awake.
Sure, you need videoegg and videobacon and videotoast too. And you can’t watch Pammy until you’ve downloaded them all.
There goes another thread.
And yes, Wide eyes, Glenn has managed to write another entire post without quoting Paul Craig Roberts. Oh, the agony.
Spare us, please.
EWO said...
ReplyDeleteTo watch the video of Pam does one have to download videoegg?
Hey! That wasn't me. But it was kinda funny. Videobacon and videotoast! He forgot the Videojuice! You should be able to watch it if you have Windows Media and you might need Macromedia Flash, which you probably have.
Did you see the nice PCR essay I left you on the other thread? He can't seem to make up his mind just who the Little Hitlers really are.
The Democratic Nazi Party
TheOctillion said...
ReplyDeleteGlenn...
I'm not sure what I learned from that post except nobody does long, comprehensive and crystal clear posts better than Glenn.
Speaking of light holiday fare, yesterday I followed a link to a site which contained one of the few most brilliant (if not the most brilliant) things that has ever appeared on the Internet.
ReplyDeleteFor those who have never read T.S. Eliot and especially his great poem starting "Let us go then, you and I...." it won't have the same staggering impact although this diabolically devastating parody of a right wing pundit is wildly amusing in itself.
But for anyone familiar with Eliot's poem, be prepared to read something so brilliant it literally defies words.
Congratulations to Chris Clarke. If he doesn't win a blog award next time round, they should retire that whole enterprise. In fact a special category should be set up for Chris. Few bloggers have ever written anything this brilliant and I am sure word of Chris's parody is going to spread like wildfire and hit the MSM and all the newsmagazines. Thanks to Atrios for the link. I'll never say anything bad about Atrios again---it justified its whole existence forever just putting up this link.
Wow. What an achievement. Chris is a God among men....
The Love Song Of J. Edgar Goldstein
PS. For those who never read Eliot's poem, it would be worth it to find it online and read it first before you read Chris's brilliant parody.
Here's one excerpt (with special reference to today's topic on this blog):
And indeed I will vent slime
On the yellow journalists that ply the street,
Rubbing my nose into their weathervanes;
There will be Newsweek, there’ll be Time
To present their left-wing lies (hey waitress! whiskey, neat!);
There will be time to torture and detain,
And time for activist judiciaries
That issue orders that I be restrained;
Time for you and time for me,
And time yet for a hundred lame acquittals,
And for diatribes foam-flecked with spittle,
Waving the journos to the hanging tree.
On my blog the women come and bitch
Reading Ivan Denisovitch.
Tom Maguire: "... Coming as it does a week after President Bush called the conduct of the Times "disgraceful", I remain dubious of the timing."
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of the timing, a point that seems to have been ignored is that the Travel section article was written before the Times article on financial tracking. Most newspapers with Sunday editions print sections of them in advance, two weeks before the publication date. The Times's advance sections are Arts & Leisure, the Magazine, the Book Review and yes, Travel.
So this dark conspiracy of retaliation against Rumsfeld and Cheney for the Shrub's remarks is nonsense. The Travel article was written and printed long before he said anything.
The major said...in one and the same post.
ReplyDelete"So now your mocking me too.
Well I guess that's all you can do. Your political machine is in disgrace your power is gone and nobody takes tou seriously."
AND
"But someday when the conservatives are back on top we'll remember how you treated you and you might not like the punishment."
So our power is gone but the conservatives are still not on top?
Who's on top?
Who's on first?
TheOctillion said...
ReplyDeleteI looked at your blog. I think I see what you are trying to say. Life is short. Keep it simple, stupid. Rita Cosby is as dumb as a box of rocks. So is Chris Matthews. And every other idiot on cable, Bruce Springsteen said it. I just agree with him. How many ways do you need to say it when that says it so well. Olbermann should not have apologized. They wouldn't have fired him. His show has more viewers than any other show on that POS MSGOP. If you think you are going to influence the media with long e-mail missives you are sorely mistaken. They don't read them! 100,000 emails saying simply and inelegantly that Rita Cosby is as dumb as a box of rocks, and so is Chris Matthews, is going to get far more attention, and so is failing numbers of viewers.
They pick those clowns not based on intelligence or their incisive questioning style and rigorous adherence to factual accuracy, but some arcane nonsense call a Q quotient. It's some fuzzy focus group nonsense that has to do with likability and other subjective emotional factors. If you want what you need, send your money to independent media like Democracy Now! You are never going to get it from Cable News. Send nasty foul letters to MSNBC and DON'T Watch it!
octillion...I agree with the Glenn reference, but why dont you read it, jack off
ReplyDeleteNow you are getting it!
Good job!
For Shooter,
ReplyDeleteHere, Ed Brayton on what the 4th means to him.
on a nicer note, I do agree that post was kinda long. sorry about that.
ReplyDeletecould Gleen have done a better job? yeah. hopefully Glenn got what I wrote and can make these similar points. because they need to be made.
Writing for blogs is not your strong suit. Short and punchy.
Nobody quite does what Glenn manages to do, not yet. His regular style just seems to lend itself to this medium and his training and experience as a litigator adds to the clarity as the length of his posts requires.
Your points have been made all over the internets. Yours is one opinion. parts of it sound like you've internalized GOP talking points a bit too much. Lay off the kool-aid.
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ReplyDeleteUPDATE II: Scott Lemieux has a persuasive and thorough explanation as to why the fanatical accusers of the NYT still refuse to back down from their inane-from-the-very-beginning accusations of treachery and treason hidden in the NYT weekend Travel Section, even now that the most conclusive evidence possible has emerged demonstrating how false those accusations are. In sum, Lemieux points out: "Given that the attempts to gin up a scandal started at the absolute ground zero of idiocy and paranoia, additional evidence of the idiocy of the non-story is beside the point."
ReplyDeleteLemieux's explanation isn't as "thorough and persuasive" as Greenwald wants us to believe...but he does refer to John Hinderacker of Powerline as "Assrocket". I suppose that counts as something in wingnut world, much as Dana Priest's childish insults toward Bill Bennett were held up as some sort of fanatastic debate scoring point.
As most as "the most conclusive evidence possible has emerged demonstrating how false those accusations are", ...well the evidence is anything but conclusive. Greenwald is lamely attempting lawyer spin-speak.
Greenwald still refuses to address the issues of the text of the article accompanying the photo, where most of the revealing, and heretofore previously unknown to the general public, info was.
Instead, he threatened to ban me from commenting because I asked him why....twice (gasp!)
Doesn't it say on the home page of this blog that Greenwald was a litigator specializing in 1st amendment challenges, or something like that?
Free speech for all...unless it makes Greenwald uncomfortable!!
To add to the light holiday fare, and with a h/t to David Weigel at Hit 'n Run, one must read the excerpt of Sen.Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) giving an um, primer, on the Internet, in the course of explaining a vote on something to do with the net neutrality issue. It all has to do with trucks and tubes...
ReplyDeleteI've heard of minimal IQ and or literacy tests for voting. How about to stand for office?
Dipshit...Doesn't it say on the home page of this blog that Greenwald was a litigator specializing in 1st amendment challenges, or something like that?
ReplyDeleteFree speech for all...unless it makes Greenwald uncomfortable!!
I doubt you could afford him and this is his private blog. He can exclude anyone he chooses and no law prevents him from doing so. You should know that if you belong to a golf club where all the members are white like you and the help are those illegals you have been screaming about. Furthermore, in law school they devote at least one class to picking clients. something tells me Glenn might not take you on as a client even if you had a case.
Here’s to a bigot named Malkin
ReplyDeleteA mad dog whose constantly yelpin’
"Obey me, Red Staters!
All liberals are traitors
Their treasonous scalps to me bring in!"
dispshit:
ReplyDelete"Free speech for all...unless it makes Greenwald uncomfortable!!"
Glenn is not the government. This blog is not run by the government. The constitution and bill of rights are supposed to keep the government from abusing the power entrusted to it by the people.
This is elementary, dipshit.
"Greenwald still refuses to address the issues of the text of the article accompanying the photo, where most of the revealing, and heretofore previously unknown to the general public, info was."
In a nutshell: if dipshit didn't know something, no one else does.
I know it's not nice to feed this troll, but he really doesn't understand anything.
Octillion,
ReplyDeleteMost of the viewer snail mail or e-mail read on Fox news is written by people in the news dept.
Fox news viewers don't write that well. They just aren't that literate. They spend most of their time writing this kind of stuff to people like Glenn.
The other cable networks can try to copy the Fox format, and do. It always fails. Stupidity or bias? You tell me.
Sunny, when I read your words about down being up and black being white, I was reminded of A Whiter Shade Of Pale, the legendary song. Here's an excerpt:
ReplyDeleteWe skipped the light fandango
turned cartwheels 'cross the floor
I was feeling kinda seasick
but the crowd called out for more
The room was humming harder
as the ceiling flew away
When we called out for another drink
the waiter brought a tray...
If music be the food of love
then laughter is its queen
and likewise if behind is in front
then dirt in truth is clean...
That then reminded me of the speech Janice Rogers Brown
delivered at the Federalist Society (one can imagine it was somewhat tailored because she would have been somewhat restricted in what she could say) but still, A Whiter Shade of Pale": Sense and Nonsense" is one of her best speeches.
She's probably not that popular on this blog because liberals would be the last to acknowledge that it was liberal groups who were probably most responsible for getting us into the mess we are in today. But you have to be really brilliant like Janice with a deep understanding of human psychology to be able to appreciate that:
We are living in a world where words have lost their meaning. This is certainly not a new phenomenon. It seems to be an inevitable artifact of cultural disintegration.... It is always a disorienting experience for a member of the old guard when the entire understanding of the old world is uprooted. As James Boyd White expresses it: "[I]n this world no one would see what he sees, respond as he responds, speak as he speaks," and living in that world means surrender to the near certainty of central and fundamental changes within the self. "One cannot maintain forever one's language and judgment against the pressures of a world that works in different ways," for we are shaped by the world in which we live....
This is a fascinating subject which we do not have time to explore more thoroughly. Suffice it to say that this phenomenon accounts for much of the near hysterical tone of current political discourse. Our problems, however, seem to go even deeper. It is not simply that the same words don't have the same meanings; in our lifetime, words are ceasing to have any meaning. The culture of the word is being extinguished by the culture of the camera. Politicians no longer have positions they have photo-ops...
Writing 50 years ago, F.A. Hayek warned us that a centrally planned economy is "The Road to Serfdom." He was right, of course; but the intervening years have shown us that there are many other roads to serfdom. In fact, it now appears that human nature is so constituted that, as in the days of empire all roads led to Rome; in the heyday of liberal democracy, all roads lead to slavery. And we no longer find slavery abhorrent. We embrace it. We demand more. Big government is not just the opiate of the masses. It is the opiate. The drug of choice for multinational corporations and single moms; for regulated industries and rugged Midwestern farmers and militant senior citizens.
It is my thesis today that the sheer tenacity of the collectivist impulse — whether you call it socialism or communism or altruism — has changed not only the meaning of our words, but the meaning of the Constitution, and the character of our people.
Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase. Aaron Wildavsky gives a credible account of this dynamic. Wildavsky notes that the Madisonian world has gone "topsy turvy" as factions, defined as groups "activated by some common interest adverse to the rights of other citizens or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community," have been transformed into sectors of public policy. "Indeed," says Wildavsky, "government now pays citizens to organize, lawyers to sue, and politicians to run for office. Soon enough, if current trends continue, government will become self-contained, generating (apparently spontaneously) the forces to which it responds." That explains how, but not why. And certainly not why we are so comfortable with that result.....
America's Constitution provided an 18th Century answer to the question of what to do about the status of the individual and the mode of government.....
AND HERE IS THE MONEY QUOTE:
"The Framers understood that the self-interest which in the private sphere contributes to welfare of society — both in the sense of material well-being and in the social unity engendered by commerce — makes man a knave in the public sphere, the sphere of politics and group action. It is self-interest that leads individuals to form factions to try to expropriate the wealth of others through government and that constantly threatens social harmony."
Collectivism sought to answer a different question: how to achieve cosmic justice — sometimes referred to as social justice — a world of social and economic equality. Such an ambitious proposal sees no limit to man's capacity to reason. It presupposes a community can consciously design not only improved political, economic, and social systems but new and improved human beings as well.
The great innovation of this millennium was equality before the law. The greatest fiasco — the attempt to guarantee equal outcomes for all people.
Yup, the first, equality before the law, got us the Constitution. The second, the attempt to guarantee equal outcomes for all people brought us Stephen D. Green.
I am tired of seeing "liberals" (as in liberal activist groups) blame "conservatives" (as in limited government proponents) for all our woes.
I prefer to think of the bad guys as the Statists, and that would include almost all liberals and almost all of what now passes for conservatives but is really the lowest dregs of the old Trotsky and Lenin crowd with some cheap, gaudy lipstick smeared on.
Janice Rogers Brown is far too brilliant, independent and moral to have ever been placed on the SC in our current climate. It was foolish to hope.
Some day when Glenn has time and is sitting on a beach in Brazil thinking about things, he will recognize who most speaks for him: Kos or Janice Rogers Brown (if he doesn't already---I actually think he does, but you do what you can do in life with the opportunities which present themselves to you---that's life----and where is Janice Rogers Brown now? How much influence can she have there?)
PS. I no longer read comments by "anons" on this site, so if any "anon" ever addresses me and doesn't get a response, I am not being rude, I just would not have seen your comment.
anonymous called me names.
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with that really. But I have I called you any names?
Look, if you want to get a job at the DNC, go for it.
Looks like Pamela Shrugs want a piece of the television barking heads action. Fairly attractive, freak show quality, corporate crony apologist - she’s got the basic stuff. With a good manager, some speech therapy, implants that allow her tits to flop around when she does all that gesticulating she may have a future as a Fox News “pundit”. Watch your back, ED Hill.
ReplyDeleteFrom dipshite at 4:12pm:
ReplyDelete"Doesn't it say on the home page of this blog that Greenwald was a litigator specializing in 1st amendment challenges, or something like that?"
It does. Your point?
I hate to tell you this, but the Travel Section piece is pure puff. You may consider it "revealing", but I personally don't given nothing not already available to the public or already written in other sources was "revealed".
Please respect Glenn's wishes. We've enough idiots and facile contrarians here.
I mean... unless I am mistaken, you are the only one doing any namecalling in this dialogue, Octillion. Which kind of makes your whole argument a bit of a joke. Don't you agree?
ReplyDeleteI doubt you could afford him and this is his private blog.
ReplyDeleteKnowing a bit something about the range in attorneys fees, I could argue your claim. However, based on the his writings on this topic and le affaire Gilliard I don't think I'd be inclined to have him represent me...especially if I had to pay him.
There are gaps...no, more like chasms....of logic in his written analyses and statements of reasoning.
(Note to Glenn: Don't try to ban someone from commenting in a court of law just because it makes you uncomfortable. I don't think it would work)
Free speech for all...unless it makes Greenwald uncomfortable!!
ReplyDeleteAs others pointed out, the First Amendment restricts what the government can do, not private property owners.
Nonetheless, I believe in the values of the First Amendment as well as the constitutional mandates it imposes, which is why I invited you to express whatever views you want to express here, but asked that you do so in a less disruptive manner - i.e., by expressing the same view once or twice, not 15 times.
Other than disclosure of personal information or outright baseless defamation, there is nothing that you could say that would ever make me delete a comment of yours based on the "substance" of your views. It's only your obnoxiousness and deliberate intent to disrupt the comment section here that would cause me to do that.
4:22 PM
ReplyDeletethat's a signifier
Are you in the phone book under octillion?
OK, I'm done with you.
Eyes wide open post readers,
ReplyDelete“I am tired of seeing ‘liberals’ (as in liberal activist groups) blame ‘conservatives’ (as in limited government proponents) for all our woes.”
EWO’s talking about a fairly esoteric group, isn’t he? It’s CW that Libertarian ideas would get more traction if they effectively dealt with the whole checks and balances against potential predators issue.
And if I might add, Octillion, the best thing Democrat pols can do right now is keep their mouthes shut as much as possible, (since they always seem to insert a lower extremity whenever they do, and the media is biased against them), and let these morons chew on their own feet for awhile.
ReplyDeleteGive them a stage and some rope and they will publicly hang themselves.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
EWO...PS. I no longer read comments by "anons" on this site, so if any "anon" ever addresses me and doesn't get a response, I am not being rude, I just would not have seen your comment.
ReplyDeleteDon't judge a book by it's plain brown wrapper. You might be missing the most subversive stuff or even something pornographic!
EWO’s talking about a fairly esoteric group, isn’t he? It’s CW that Libertarian ideas would get more traction if they effectively dealt with the whole checks and balances against potential predators issue.
ReplyDeleteMy politics are an eclectic mix but EWO's are completely incoherent. He's convinced that he, and only he, knows the true meaning of Ayn Rand's ... uh... randiness. All other objectivists and Randians have sullied and cheapened the purity of her essence (Wingnut). He's almost a leftist on many issues but... well like I said, he's... odd.
What complete flapdoodle.
ReplyDeleteEverybody knows, right, that La Rummy for years had a ranch in Taos, NM, where from time to time he would entertain his, ahem, "friends," while the whole dambed town turned out to protest this fiend at his front gate, fer cryin out loud because everybody in town knew where the ranch was and raising holy hell out there was what you did, because Rummy's presence (let alone that of his guests) was pollution.
And it was reported far and wide, even in the NYT, and nobody got their panties in a wad over it.
Nobody, not even Rummy.
There was a celebration, however, when he sold the ranch to Julia Roberts right around the time he bought his palatial summer place on the Eastern Shore. The demon had been driven out.
On the other hand, why would anybody want to defend the pernicious NYT? They deserve every sling and every arrow they get and then some. Their appalling and atrocious reporting is part of what got us into this dreadful invasion and occupation of Iraq, and even worse, their horrible reporting on the 2000 presidential campaign and its aftermath is a big part of why the Goons are running things (into the ground) from DC.
They deserve nothing less than contempt and condemnation, with an exemption for Krugman. Who should get a job somewhere else.
Feh.
2,500 Protest at Rumsfeld's House in Taos, NM
Fire Rumsfeld!
Rumsfeld's Taos residence targeted by N.M. residents in anti-war march
I watched 4 minutes and 18 seconds of the "Atlas Shrieks." That awful voice finally made me stop, just 42 seconds from the end. If she wants to be taken seriously, she should limit her self-expression to text and, possibly, still photos. No movies with sound. No personal appearances.
ReplyDeleteIn other words, she should just keep on doing what she's doing. Way to lose it, Pam!
Eyes wide open post readers,
ReplyDelete1. ”really brilliant like Janice (Janice Rogers Brown) with a deep understanding of human psychology”
Baloney. Her deep understanding only involves people like herself which constitute a very small fraction of the population.
2. Humans evolved as social animals – each of us is built to be part of a whole. It’s in our genetics. Libertarian ideas would work best with more self-reliant and self-contained species. Like sharks. And snakes.
3. In a competitive world someone has to lose. Liberals see the practicality in allowing people to lose gracefully (ways acceptable to them, healthy for the rest of us) - albiet achieving this with efficiency has been a real problem, arguably because of rapid changes in society and technology.
In a nutshell, without quoting EWO's rant, he's on a heavy maintenance dose of kool-aid, and has been for some time.
ReplyDeleteJanice Rogers Brown praising Hayek. Lordy!
Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism.
Friedrich Hayek, 1981 interview in El Mercurio
[I]f one asks what substantive contributions [F. A. Hayek] made to our understanding of how the world works, one is left at something of a loss. Were it not for his politics, he would be virtually forgotten.
Paul Krugman, Slate 1998
We have now reached a turning point - The right-wing crackpots, drunk on their own "crapulence," are doing themselves in with their own words.
ReplyDeleteAre the people from the establishment media listening? How long will they continue to give these nutcases a platform?
che pasa,
ReplyDeleteWhat few people realize is that Rummy co-owns that ranch with... wait for it... Dan Rather. So Rummy is safe from leftist attackers while he's down there.
Office of Censorship? Why don't they go whole-hog doublespeak and call it the Office of Free American Press?
ReplyDeleteWould Never Admit He Made a Mistake: Rumsfeld would never admit that he made a mistake, says an aide, who adds, "That's a good thing when selling a policy or a war. But if the choice turns out to be wrong, he probably won't acknowledge it until it's turned into a disaster."
ReplyDeleteCo-Owns New Mexico Ranch with Dan Rather, among others: You would think, especially after Saddam's capture, that Rumsfeld could pack it in, go out on top and settle down in that ranch in Taos, N.M., that he co-owns with, among others, Dan Rather, TIME reports. Boyhood chum Ned Jannotta, who ran his first campaign for Congress in 1962, notes that Rumsfeld never has cared about staying anywhere very long. "He doesn’t look for security in his life," says Jannotta. "It gives him great freedom to do and try and risk and fail. He's prepared to go head to head—winner take all, no second-place money—and still fail. That runs through his life."
I'm still waiting for someone on Fox to suggest starting up HUAC again. They can let John Gibson run it.
ReplyDeleteI knew I had read about Rumsfeld having a place in St. Michaels, and that the Cheneys were buying a place there as well. Sure enough, google tells me that the Wash Post published an article 9/4/05 saying just that. It appeared in section B1.
ReplyDeleteThe house the Cheneys were in the process of buying is described as "listed at $2.9 million, backs up in spectacular fashion to an inlet of the Chesapeake Bay." Moreover "The estate goes back to 1930 and was said to be built by one of Thomas Edison's daughters, according to Robert Snyder, the Coldwell Banker agent who is listing the property.
The nine-acre lot includes extensive gardens, ornamental pools and spectacular views of the water behind it. "
Where was the outrage then? Or don't the right wingnut scolds read the actual front sections of the papers? To me, one of the oddest things about this flap is the thought that terrorists are consulting the Sunday Travel section for pointers on planning attacks. What's next, the Style section for accessorizing when attacking?
Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism.
ReplyDeleteFriedrich Hayek, 1981 interview in El Mercurio
Hayek is quite correct about that, as I have many times pointed out to those who think bringing democracy at the point of a gun to Middle Eastern countries is some magic solution. Majorities can tyrannize. Absent a constitution -- written or unwritten -- which vouchsafes the rights of the individual against the majority, a mere democracy could be hell, while a dictator who cabined himself with even partial of the protections in the BoR could be preferable. Moubarek in Egypt may be preferable to democratic elections if the Muslim Brotherhood were to take a majority, or at least one secular, liberal Egyptian blogger has said so.
Hayek was a huge proponent of individual liberty, and simply saw that democracy without it was not necessarily such a good deal. He wouldn't be surprised by those who are looking at Iraq and fearing an emerging democratically elected theocracy.
But he did favor democracy as the best means found for the peaceful transition of power. Add a Constitution like ours and the rule of law, and then you had about the best political package he could imagine. And btw, he was not a Randian.
Glenn wrote:
ReplyDelete"why do Howard Kurtz and Time Magazine and CNN continue to treat people like this -- people who are entirely unburdened by even minimal amounts of rationality and integrity -- as though they are serious pundits deserving of respect and large media platforms?"
They make good TV.
See also:
Jerry Springer
Survivor
Jackass
Big Brother
the Real World
Cops
The streets of Washington D.C. were brought to a standstill today by massive protests over recent treasonous actions by the New York Times. As the massive crowds gathered in front offices of the newspaper’s Washington D.C. offices, employees inside cringed with fear and pretended not to notice
ReplyDeleteI took this as a joke but as others have pointed out, these days who can tell.
Some day when Glenn has time and is sitting on a beach in Brazil thinking about things, he will recognize who most speaks for him: Kos or Janice Rogers Brown
ReplyDeleteAccording to Eyes Wide Open, Glenn Greenwald endorses the radical views of Janice Rogers Brown, and this is the only “objectivist blog” on the internet, and that is why he is here.
Now I’ve been reading and commenting on this blog for a long time now (under various names) and I have yet to see Glenn endorse the radical views of Brown, or bow at the altar of Ayn Rand.
EWO, if you are going to project your bizarre beliefs upon Glenn, then please provide us with some evidence that he is just as deranged as you are. So far, I haven’t seen it.
The vast majority of commentators here regard you as an eccentric kook at best. If you have some evidence that Glenn endorses all of your views, present it; otherwise, stop putting words in Glenn’s mouth. He speaks very well for himself, in case you haven’t noticed.
In my very humble opinion, you are the most disruptive entity on this blog, and although I’ve found quite a few of your comments worthwhile, you are increasingly disruptive and insulting to the rest of us here.
Your repetitive posts, along with your interminably long copying and pasting of articles that have nothing to do with comment thread are an insult to the rest of us, we know very well how to access these articles you insist upon subjecting us to – and it simply makes these threads more unreadable.
You finally learned how to link to articles you wish us to read, yet you refuse to do so, saying “I will post the entire article, as I always do” thereby treating the rest of us as children who need “schooling” from you.
That has become the tone of your posts ever since your mentor Shaughnessy went spiraling into incoherent irrationality and had to be taken out of here heavily medicated in a straitjacket. You seem to want to follow his lead.
Without any evidence, you’ve accused Glenn’s publisher Jennifer Nix of being the evil handmaiden of dark forces from George Soros and the Carlyle group, you’ve accused the people Glenn works with on the “circle of links” of various crimes without any evidence.
It has become more than tiresome. If you have evidence of these various crimes, then present it; and for gosh sakes, if you have such opinions of these people (all associates of Glenn) why do you come here?
I really wish you’d leave, and I really wish you’d stop insulting Glenn and everyone else here.
And a happy Independence Day to you, I just wish you’d enjoy somewhere else.
AkaDad: "IMAO, I think it stinks." If this isnt a typo, what does the "A" in IMAO. Assinine? Abhorrant?
ReplyDeleteI think the term for this would be portmanteau acronym. Mme. Atlas bunches up "LMAO" (laughing my ass off) with "IMHO" (in my humble opinion) to achieve a sort of cloudy meaning somewhere about halfway in between.
Artistic neologists do that with words all the time, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone doing it with acronyms before. That's pretty darn good! Not only is this bold brunette Randy chick mad sex-ay, but it turns out she's also handy with words. Woo woo! As they say, "the crazy ones are the hottest."
I watched the Atlas Shrugs video. All I can say is wow. This Pamela is mentally ill. I can only wonder how long before she gets her own show on Fox and then maybe even become the White House press secretary. What a world that a moron like her gets any attention or respect. Sickening.
ReplyDeleteEWO... Some day when Glenn has time and is sitting on a beach in Brazil thinking about things, he will recognize who most speaks for him: Kos or Janice Rogers Brown
ReplyDeleteGlenn needs people to speak for him? Who's your ghostwriter Glenn? Come on! Tell us!
That's teh silly!
Glenn -
ReplyDeleteSomeone snuck an ad for some porno into your comments here.
Thought you might want to axe that one.
Blue period wrote:
ReplyDeleteI took this as a joke but as others have pointed out, these days who can tell.
Yes, I wrote it as satire (as I did Crazy Davy’s post). Little LuLu, for those who don’t know, was Michelle Malkin’s “freeper” name when she used to be a regular poster there.
Now she’s mainstream - which should be a joke - but as Glenn’s last couple of posts have made painfully clear, it’s not the least bit funny.
Pamela as WH Press Secretary!
ReplyDeleteThat's brilliant, Crankyboy!
What SNL character, if any, does she remind you of most? Perhaps she more closely resembles a character on the edgier and cruder Mad TV. I think that were Frank Zappa still alive, he would put her in one of his movies. (I just saw 200 Motels again recently). I know she is a recurring motif in his songs, and now... in my nightmares.
anonymous...Yes, I wrote it as satire (as I did Crazy Davy’s post). Little LuLu, for those who don’t know, was Michelle Malkin’s “freeper” name when she used to be a regular poster there.
ReplyDeleteYou are a parody genius.
Hayek viewed Nazi Germany as an example of a democratic government without liberalism. Put Nazi Germany up against, say, a country ruled by Marcus Aurelius to see his point.
ReplyDeleteViewed in this context, his comment makes a lot more sense.
"dipshit- I agree the NYT should not have printed the story on the homes of Mr. Cheney or Mr. Rumsfeld....They should have focused on stories about the daily violence occurring in Iraq."
ReplyDeleteWell, to be fair, that would have been a real downer in the Weekend Escapes section.
Horowitz is cut from the same cloth
ReplyDeleteI don't see how. Horowitz specifically refused recruitment into the (Leninist) Revolutionary Youth Movement, and from the pages of Ramparts, denounced the disruption of the Progressive Labor Party faction in the SDS. He never joined any violent SDS sect, including the Weathermen.
He was no more or less a Marxist than were many of the more "mainstream" SDSers. And far less radical than those sectors you name; he was married and raising four kids during the 60s, and actually living a rather bourgeois lifestyle, which made him stand out some among others in the New Left, and tended to curb the revolutionary enthusiasm.
"Hypatia" said...
ReplyDeletePersonally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism.
Friedrich Hayek, 1981 interview in El Mercurio
Hayek is quite correct about that, as I have many times pointed out to those who think bringing democracy at the point of a gun to Middle Eastern countries is some magic solution.
Precisely. Liberty is often pictured as a tree because it grows best from the ground up. If you try to impose it from the top down, you're likely to just take the place of the "rough man on the wall with the gun".
The Krugman quote you ignore is the important one. As an economist, Hayek is largely forgettable.
I wonder how much of that CNN video it is legal to reproduce under 'fair use' rules.
ReplyDeletePamela may want to review her copyright law handbook
Hume's Ghost said...
ReplyDeleteHayek viewed Nazi Germany as an example of a democratic government without liberalism. Put Nazi Germany up against, say, a country ruled by Marcus Aurelius to see his point.
Plato's Cratylus. Democracy makes some people uneasy.
Yes, I wrote it as satire (as I did Crazy Davy’s post).
ReplyDeleteYou should send it to Stephen Colbert, he might hire you:)
Kip W:
ReplyDelete"If she wants to be taken seriously, she should limit her self-expression to text and, possibly, still photos."
Ditto that. Video is not kind, and you have to wonder if the lady actually previewed her clip before she posted it. It wasn't just the babbling and the waving of hands, it was the babbling & the hands and that you-can't-be-serious dress that did me in. Shoot, maybe it was actually a shake down cruise for the dress, not the talking points.
Somewhere in New York or New Jersey a crystal meth dealer has hit the jackpot.
ReplyDeleteWhile that video clearly showed the batshit crazy aspect of Pammie, for my money her finest moment was in another video (on youtube) wherein she berates George Clooney for mispronouncing jihad as janjaweed.
Course it's also pretty scary because her preteen daughter's in that video with her.
Good God Watch that and tell me you weren't expecting her to crash the car at any moment.
ReplyDeletethanks for the video....the truly sad thing is that I'm sure she makes perfectly logical sense to the wingnutosphere
ReplyDeletereplying to Sunny's first post:
ReplyDeletemethinks the Reich Winger's new themesong should be "They're Coming To Take Me Away" by Napolean XIV (old Doctor Demento fan here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_XIV
Good God is right. This woman reminds me of a Valley Girl with a New York accent sans the blonde hair.
ReplyDeleteAnd I'll disagree with those above who said she is on meth. If anything I would say she is coked out to the Nth degree.
MAA,
ReplyDeleteI'll defer to your judgment on the meth v. coke debate.
I just really want to get her off the road and into a treatment facility.
Just a question - was anyone handing out Army recruitment flyers at these massive gatherings of patriots?
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ReplyDeletePlease respect Glenn's wishes. We've enough idiots and facile contrarians here.
ReplyDelete4:34 PM
Don't worry yankeependragon. I wasn't trying to take your palce in the "idiots and facile contrarians" column.
Hmmm...this is interesting. Is Greg Sargent telling the truth?
ReplyDeleteThis from MacRanger, former intelligence officer with contacts in the Secret Service:
Wrong. Michelle's talking their word for it. I"m not. This only shows that there is no level that the left won't stoop including fabrication. First, while there is a "Cherry" who works as PAS, I doubt this Sargeant spoke to him personally. Fact is when you call the SS, you just don't get to rap with the spokesperson or any of the PA officers without a whole lot more clouth than a notorious Bush-bashing journalist - on a Fourth of July Weekend no less.
Incidently, Hollen Wheeler is out of the office for the long weekend, so I don't know who he talked to, but it wasn't her. Unless it was on secure.
Even if one could get through, there is no way either is going to comment on security issues (valid or otherwise) without a prepared press release (it's just the way things are done around there), and that PR would have already been posted So until I see a PR confirming this I'm not buying it.
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ReplyDeletePols, Not the Press, Should Exhibit Prior Restraint
by Ivan Eland
antiwar.com
Last week the U.S. House of Representatives, on a party-line vote, passed an innocuous-sounding resolution that "expects the cooperation of all news media organizations in protecting the lives of Americans and the capability of the government to identify, disrupt, and capture terrorists by not disclosing classified intelligence programs such as the Terrorist Financing Tracking Program." The program in question involves government monitoring of international electronic banking transfers for suspected terrorist activity. In reality, the resolution, passed just before the celebration of U.S. independence from autocratic oppression, was aimed at intimidating a free press – a major component of American freedom.
As is usually the case with many classified U.S. government programs created to monitor the activities of adversaries, the news that the U.S. government was snooping into international electronic banking transactions was less of a shock to the enemy being monitored than to the American people. Because terrorists have been aware of such surveillance by governments, they long ago started using the more informal Middle Eastern system of financial transactions – called hawala – involving couriers and money-transfer facilitators. But even the public should have been aware of such government activities, given the Bush administration's constant bragging about tracking the financial flows to terrorist groups.
In addition, any terrorists' transactions remaining in regular financial channels being monitored are contained in the vast volume of electronic transfers in the international banking system. Trying to track them down is like trying to find a particular grain of sand on a beach.....
Since everyone knows the terrorists use the system described above, and everyone knows they probably don't communicate via the Internet or phones but meet in person, one would have thought someone would have told that to the United States Government some time ago.
Information gathering doesn't involve terrorists. It involve$ $omething el$e.
From dipshite at 7:49pm:
ReplyDelete"Don't worry yankeependragon. I wasn't trying to take your palce in the "idiots and facile contrarians" column."
So much for trying to be polite to some people.
Glenn, are you going to be concerned with more light being shined on the true underbelly of the dominant factions of the Left?
ReplyDeleteIf not, why not?
As a schadenfreudy aside, it occurs to me the Gitmo SC ruling puts the Democratic Establishment in a pretty bad position.
They support Bush and his policies of course, as we have all seen, but how are they going to explain that to the American people when Congress passes legislation to allow Bush to do everything he has been doing and they vote for it?
Guess we'll have to stay tuned to see that farce play itself out.
Governor Warner, what are your thoughts on this matter? Hillary?
Chuck? Etaladnauseum?
I just really want to get her off the road and into a treatment facility.
ReplyDelete“Good God” is perhaps the only logical response to Pamela’s disturbing behavior, but this is not just about “Pamela” – it is about this country; and, I’m so sorry to say, that this deranged creature at the wheel is America in the eyes of the world.
Think about this. “Pammy” is one four people granted an exclusive interview granted by the United States Ambassador to the UN. Think about that for minute…..
….oh, yes, I can wait, I’ll come back when your ready for this:
“Pammy” is what America has become in the eyes of the world.
That’s who we are folks, or at least how much of the world see us – and with good reason!
And the rest of the world wants the U.S. (under Bush) off the road and into a treatment facility. It’s just that simple. We are now scaring the bejeesus out of everyone including ourselves.
There was a distinguished British scholar who once observed that America has gone completely off the rails and, somehow, come back to be stronger than ever.
Right now, we are off the rails, and the macho codpiece at the wheel is seeing just how fast he can drive us off the cliff, “hee hee, hee hee, we’re really going fast now aren’t we?”
Yes, we’ve reached the point, where our President and Beavis and Butthead are pretty much the same characters, and “Pammy” and her ilk (Roger Simon, Charles Johnson, Glenn Reynolds, Jeff Goldstein, the PowerClowns, Michelle, Ann, Fox, hate radio, etc.) are simply screaming “faster, faster” as we head for the cliff, “no brakes, we can do it!” is the rallying cry.
Yes, this video shows Pammy, but let’s face it, this is America on Bush, this is America on Kool-Aid and paste, and the kids in the back seat are in serious danger. And so are we.
Say, isn't "Little Lulu's" 'report' there (quoted and linked from a previous post's comments) a satire? I didn't take that as a serious comment....
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Say, isn't "Little Lulu's" 'report' there (quoted and linked from a previous post's comments) a satire? I didn't take that as a serious comment....
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The Atlas Shrugs gal doing an interview with John Bolton has me scratching my head. As much as I revile Bolton I don't think that he could be accused of being a non-serious thinker. So why is he giving his, I would think valuable, time to this idjiot? There seems to be something bigger being orchestrated that I can't quite put my finger on.
ReplyDeletemarcus: Altho Glenn wrote: Pamela was one of the four bloggers selected by John Bolton for an exclusive blog interview he gave a couple of weeks ago.
ReplyDeleteI didn't get that from the Powerline link. I think that trio selected both her and that Bevan guy from Real Clear Politics. Of course, Glenn can correct me if I am wrong. But I saw nothing suggesting John Bolton insisted: "And I want Pamela there!"
marcus alrealius alrightus
ReplyDeleteRememder, this is the same John Bolton that was invovled in the " “white collar riot”" down in Florida over the vote count in the 2000 election.
It's actually pretty simple. The more they lose credibility, the more they will scream and claw and bite and scratch.
ReplyDeleteTalk about last throes! We're seeing them.
Wowee! Is there a longer version? Cuz I doubt of that silly tart's dress stayed on once she figured how to "snatch" Fox News.
ReplyDeleteDrug abuse amongst these people is really getting out of hand.
yankeependragon said...
ReplyDeleteSo much for trying to be polite to some people.
They perceive it as a sign of weakness, whereas a good drubbing, or just the threat of it, usually gets their attention and makes them quite docile and compliant.
AJ said...
Somewhere in New York or New Jersey a crystal meth dealer has hit the jackpot.
I'm going with Ritalin baby. She obviously has a host of those "alphabet acronym issues" and has probably had them since birth.
"Hypatia" said...
ReplyDeleteBut I saw nothing suggesting John Bolton insisted: "And I want Pamela there!"
You saw nothing suggesting that, John (Plato's Retreat) Bolton insisted that Pamela interview him?
Are you sure?
I have seen the people at these conservative demos. They stay in close formation, wave big flags, and shout a lot to make up for their lack of numbers. It's not very impressive. So that's why some wingnut says, defensively, we don't do demonstrations because we are so busy being worthwhile citizens. Pathetic.
ReplyDeleteIt's really because cons are too lazy to get off their duffs and do something about their beliefs. They won't do anything unless someone pays them. Like those gobblers Horowitz and Bennett. I'd like to see them march!! All able-bodied cons need to go on down to the recruiting office, join the service, and get over to Iraq as soon as possible. There's a war on, and here is the chance to fight for your principles!
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