As the evidence of torture mounted, it became inescapably clear that torture has indeed played some role in the Administration's policies for interrogating (at the very least) suspected terrorists. That has forced some Administration defenders, for whom criticizing the Administration is never an option, to abandon their denial of American torture and, instead, embrace a defense of it. That means that we now have a substantial and growing portion of the population that actually espouses a pro-torture viewpoint, i.e., they believe that the U.S. should torture people as part of its war on terrorism.
For compelling proof that the pro-torture advocates are now unabashedly embracing their position, and for a glimpse of how the pro-torture argument is to be advocated, there is this post from "Ace" at Ace of Spades, who proudly enunciates the virtues of torture. Ace's post -- which is driven by outrage over the anti-torture objections of Andrew Sullivan to a particularly vile exploitation of John McCain's torture experience -- foreshadows some of the rhetorical techniques to be used by those who are pro-torture as they bravely unmask themselves more and more:
(1) Those who think torture is wrong are simply hysterical and overemotional. The term Ace uses for the anti-torture contingent is "torture hysterics," as featured in this sentence:
"One of the lies the torture hysterics have been peddling for years is that torture never works. "
He also labels Sullivan a "shrieking hysteric," "Saint Andrew of the Scared Heart-Ache," and the "Shrill Shill." People who are opposed to torture just need to get a hold of their emotions, stop being such pussies, and butch up.
(2) Anyone who accepts reality must acknowledge that torture works. It is an important and powerful tool to be used against terrorists. Thus, Ace pronounces the notion that torture does not work to be "one of the lies of torture hysterics." With respect to the widespread view of intelligence and interrogation experts that torture is an ineffective interrogation tool (for instance, CIA Director Porter Goss yesterday: "We want accurate information . . . and we do it in a way that does not involve torture because torture is counterproductive"), Ace tells us: "It's untrue and it always has been."
With the argument being advanced that torture is an effective tool against terrorists, it can't be that far off for us to start hearing that anyone who opposes torture is pro-terrorist.
Oh, wait-- we already have heard that, from big tough warrior Paul Mirgenoff at Powerline, who accused John McCain of being "pro-terrorist rights" because McCain, like the subversive wuss that he is, favors legislation to ban torture.
Once the premise is advanced that "torture works," equating those who oppose torture with the surrender-happy terrorist-lovers who want Osama bin Laden to win is inevitable and imminent.
(3) Strip anyone who opposes torture of their status as hero and patriot. The heroism of John McCain's past can't be impugned, but it can surely be pointed out how long ago and obsolete that heroism is:
So Newsmax offers the genuine martial and moral hero (at least he was such some time ago) of John McCain as yet another strong, committed, patriotic man ultimately broken down by torture.
If the new line is that torture works because it broke down John McCain and the North Vietnamese made him sign statements against his country, how far off are we from the pro-torture advocates finally getting it off their chests and accusing McCain of being a traitorous coward? Ace claims he doesn't believe that, but as the torture debate heats up even more, and McCain continues to be the face of the anti-torture contingent, can that final and ultimate attack on McCain's character really be suppressed much longer? We'll see.
The fact that we are even having a real torture debate now -- not over whether we do it, but whether our doing it is justifiable -- is rather significant in itself. Even the existence of the terms "pro-torture" and "anti-torture" position is by itself striking. The taboo against torture is gone, irreversibly, and one can now proudly and in (sort of) good company declare oneself to be pro-torture and attack those who are "anti-torture" as being weak and irrational.
It used to be unnecessary to even express opposition to the American Government torturing people, since its doing so was beyond the pale of debate. It no longer is. In fact, to believe that torture should be off-limits to the Government is to reveal yourself as a "torture hysteric," and, sooner rather than later, a pro-terrorist, surrender-happy traitor.
If things like torture, not to mention the indefinite incarceration of American citizens, aren't off-limits to the American government, what is?
All very well put. I'd like to think this embarrassing slide into condoning torture will be thrown into history's dustbin alongside George W. Bush, the neocon criminal philosophy and the illegal Iraq invasion.
ReplyDeleteAssuming we get through it, this period of US history will be viewed with shock by future generations and shame by those of us who lived through it and allowed it to happen.
You can see how badly they want to accuse McCain of being a coward for Vietnam and how much it kills them to have to cursorily call him a "hero" before attacking him.
ReplyDeleteSuperb analysis, Glenn. It is amazing to watch them slowly crawl out of the woodwork. They not only aren't embarrassed now by their defense of torture, they actually want to attack those who oppose it by making us feel like we are insufficiently strong to win the war on terrorism. Just despicable.
ReplyDeleteMcCain's "Newsweek" piece has already got the Freepers stating that he is a traitor, a coward, and a collaborator. When McCain writes that he signed anything that the NVA put in front of him, this is interpreted as proof that "torture works."
ReplyDeleteFor all we know, McCain signed documents that he shot Lincoln, the Archduke Ferdinand, and Mahatma and Indira Gandhi. What does "torture works" mean, in this context?
Glenn, you ask "what's next"? Well, there are military intelligence agencies spying domestically on American citizens because of threats of "economic terrorism" - what's that, boycotts? Blog postings that slam a corporate policy? A down ranking on a product?
We've got pre-emptive arrests of protestors, who are locked up for days, and then have all charges dismissed.
We have political and military propaganda paid for by the US government and "outsourced" to agencies like the Rendon Group.
We have direct cash payments made to "journalists" and pundits for shilling government positions.
So if you post a blog entry complaining about a product or service, or outlining a corrupt arrangement between government and business, you can be arrested as an "economic terrorist" and held indefinitely, secretly, and without trial or access to a lawyer.
Orwell already wrote this book, and we didn't like it in 1948.
Lately, my one real fear is that the America we see on the right is the real one. Not some aberration, not some nightmare, but the real McCoy - rabid and evil.
ReplyDeleteHow does the radical right call itself the upholder of family values? Is torture somehow a family value?
Somehow we have morphed from a nation founded upon the law, to one where the law is at most a minor inconvenience. How did that happen?
Or did it? Maybe we never were a nation where the law ruled.
If this is Christian morality, I want no part of it.
Jake
Can we compare these thugs to Nazis now? Or should we start with Baathist references?
ReplyDeleteExcellent and fresh analysis. The School of the Americas protesters have been screaming without echo for years about how the US trains foreign militaries in their time-tested torture practices.
ReplyDeleteNow, instead of preparing for a "We told you so!" moment, the anti-torture advocates may have to weather a backlash. Before they were just tired old leftists, stuck in 1980s Central American activism. Now, as Greenwald quite brilliantly concludes, they will become pro-terrorists! Sticks and stones will hurt your bones, but names could get you killed.
I see you still haven't tried to define torture. Horror of horros! How can anyone defend "torture"? It's "torture"! This stupid attempt at rationalizing that the VC got McCain to sign off on assassinating Lincoln goes a long way to demonstrating the point. What kind of information do you think the VC got out of McCain? That's my first point.
ReplyDeleteMy second point is that (again) torture that does not damage the subject isn't torture. I have no problem whatsoever with interrogators scaring subjects into providing information. If you honestly believe that it's all some kind of witch-hunt, and anyone named by torturees gets hauled up to the chair next, you're just stupid. I can't think of any other reason for someone to believe something so inherently ridiculous. You have a brain, use it. Define what is and is not torture, and regulate it. Provide for increased authority, oversight, and responsibility at every level. If allowing a dog to bark at someone scares him into providing the location of a bomb-making facility, I'm all for it. Notice how it's easy to check on the bomb-making facility. You just go there and see. Someone says they have a bomb-making facility somewhere, you check it out. It's so incredibly obvious I can only believe that the willfully blind don't see it. People just believe what they want to believe, and neither facts nor reason will change that. My facts and my reasons are unflawed. I challenge you to respond.
No one in Bush's America has been arrested for terrorism for posting a blog entry critical of economic policies. No innocent American citizen has been held for months without access to a lawyer.
I see you still haven't tried to define torture.
ReplyDeleteThe point of the post isn't whether torture is good or bad. It's that the people who are expressly advocating what they call torture are now accusing those who oppose it of being unpatriotic and pro-terrorist.
Do any of your comments ever have anything to do with the topic of the post to which you attach them, or do you thoughts just pop into your head without warning and you then randomly go and spray them around the Internet?
Horror of horros! How can anyone defend "torture"?
There are people defending torture, and they call it torture. The post I cited by Ace did exactly that, as did Charles Krauthammer this week in the Weekly Standard.
That's the whole point - we now have a pro-torture contingent which advocates the use of even the more extreme measures which qualify as "torture" no matter how broadly or narrowly one wants to define that term.
Notice how it's easy to check on the bomb-making facility. You just go there and see. Someone says they have a bomb-making facility somewhere, you check it out.
How about if the person being tortured accuses you of trying to smuggle a radiological bomb into the U.S.? What to do then? Arrest you, throw you in a military prison, and keep you there for a few years without a trial while we "check it out?"
No one in Bush's America has been arrested for terrorism for posting a blog entry critical of economic policies. No innocent American citizen has been held for months without access to a lawyer.
The Government did not even charge Jose Padilla with the radiological bomb allegation it used to justify his indefinite detention. But you have already concluded he's guilty. All rational people can do is be thankful the the founders of the country weren't as gullible and worshipful of governmental claims as you are, which is why they wrote that thing called the Constitution banning the things that you are so fond of.