Thursday, November 17, 2005

Response to Jonah Goldberg's tantrum

Jonah Goldberg, writing in National Review's Corner, purported to reply to the post I wrote at Daily Kos which discussed, in part, Goldberg's fear and anger over a speech given by Anti-Defamation League Director Abraham Foxman.

In that speech, given last week, Foxman warned of the serious danger posed by religious extremists in America, who, according to Foxman, are seeking to "Christianize" the Government and eliminate the church-state separation. Goldberg melodramatically labeled the speech a "horrible, horrible mistake" because it was going to make the Christian Right angry at Jews, something which really scares Goldberg. I wrote the Kos diary to discuss (OK, to celebrate) the growing split among religious conservatives, on the one hand, and the other Republican constituencies on the other, and used Goldberg's reaction to the ADL speech (as well as George Will's potent warning today about the Religious Right) as an illustrative example of this fracturing.

Goldberg's "reply" to my post is characterized by both his obvious anger at what was written and his corresponding attempt to show how indifferent he is:

Some guy named Glenn Greenwald at Daily Kos thinks he's pierced my soul.

Some guy named Jonah Goldberg just wrote three full paragraphs in the Corner full of vitriol as part of a strenuous effort to show how unbothered he was about that post. Looks like the symptoms of a pierced soul to me.

In a very long and silly post, Greenwald claims I write based on fear, blah, blah, blah. I generally find people who offer up these sort of theories are imposing their own mental states on others. But who knows?

The irony here is that Goldberg labeled Foxman's speech an act of "cowardice," even though it was Foxman who bravely stood up to the most powerful political group in the country, the Christian Right, while Goldberg was hiding under his bed, pleading with Foxman -- for the "sake of Jews" -- not to make them angry. If there was "cowardice" anywhere, it was clearly with Goldberg's actions, not with Foxman's.

Or, to put it another way using Goldberg's words, Goldberg's calling Foxman's speech an act of "cowardice" might be an example of someone "who offers up these sorts of theories (and is) imposing their own mental states on others." But who knows?



I'm probably going to write a column about this next week -- about the ADL, not this Greenwald guy -- but for the record I don't think Foxman's being a fool for risking the wrath of Christian conservatives. I think he's being a fool because guys who think like Greenwald make up the ADL's donor base and they want to hear this nonsense from Foxman.

This makes no sense. Why would Foxman be a fool for expressing views which his membership wants to hear? Isn't that what a Director of an advocacy organization is supposed to do?

Goldberg just invented this theory of why he criticized Foxman in order to deny, apparently out of embarrassment, that he said in his original post that Foxman's speech was such a "horrible, horrible mistake" because it would make the Christian Right think that Jews were attacking Christians and that would be a bad thing for Jews. But after denying that this was his meaning, Goldberg proceeds to make the same exact point all over again:

My concern is that Foxman's effort will contribute to the idea that the secular-liberal war on Christianity is in some significant way a "Jewish" attack as well. That's not good for the Jews, not good for America, not good for anybody.

Can't you smell the fear oozing from every word? Goldberg is petrified that the Christian theocrats -- with whom he thinks he can maintain an alliance in order to be protected -- will be angry if their theocratic agenda is pointed out and criticized. So Goldberg, driven by this fear, wants everyone -- and especially Jews -- to keep quiet about it and just lay low, lest the Christian Right's anger spills over to Goldberg, too.

It's fine if Goldberg believes all that, but he really ought not to be running around calling other people cowards while he expresses these fears. The contradictions are really too transparent to conceal from anyone.

What is really motivating this vitriol is the fact that the GOP knows that its dirty little secret is being revealed -- namely, that Republicans have consolidated political power only through an extremely unholy alliance with a crusading movement that is anything but conservative in its desire to impose religious rule on virtually every aspect of American law and culture. Social conservatives are now demanding more and more to be fed, and their demands are -- finally -- starting to be too much for many of the non-theocrats in the Party, who, to their shame, overlooked and excused the excesses of this fanatical group for far too long but now seem finally to have had enough.

8 comments:

  1. I can't make heads or tails of Goldberg's "reply" to your Daily Kos post. What is he trying to say? It sounds like gobbledygook.

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  2. I can't make heads or tails of Goldberg's "reply" to your Daily Kos post. What is he trying to say? It sounds like gobbledygook.

    I couldn't agree more. It was actually difficult to reply to it because it doesn't actually say anything. He sort of half-heartedly denies the obvious meaning of his first post, bitterly throws around the phrase "this Greenwald guy" to belittle me in lieu of responding to the argument, and then mutters something about he plans to write an article about it next week.

    Kevin Drum recently said, in response to learning that Goldberg would be a new Op-Ed columnist at the LA Times, that Goldberg's writing leaves him "flat" because he doesn't put enough thought into it. Personally, I don't think he has any more thought to put into them. This lazy, incoherent reply illustrates perfectly what Drum was saying.

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  3. Anonymous7:17 PM

    Everything about Jonah, from his screetching for wars he would never fight in to his belief that he needs to maintain coalitions which his enemies, is always driven by fear. He's a cowardly little twirp whose overbearing Lucianne mommy runs his life, his "career" and his thoughts.

    Jonah is a 5 year-old momma's boy with a stained t-shirt who is still in his high chair.

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  4. Anonymous7:41 PM

    Dear Mr Greenwald

    Thank you very much for telling truth, not only to power, but also to sad, scared little Mr. Goldberg. It's obviously done him some good.

    I think your writing is superb.

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  5. You assume to much, Glenn.

    Goldenchickenhawk is really scared that the wheels will come off the Repugnant Coalition.

    That's the long and the short of it.

    Without a Sister Souljah moment - where some Big Repug actually speaks out against the Dobsons, the wheels come off and moderates and independents desert the party of a human=zygote=brain-dead person.

    With a Sister Souljah moment - and this is the beautiful thing- the wheels come off, because the wingnuts desert.

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  6. Anonymous9:25 PM

    Please continue to spend the majority of your time in another country, since your politics certainly don't belong in the U.S.!

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  7. Glenn, that was a fantastic post on DKos and a great follow-up here. You definitely have Jonah running for cover.

    He couldn't even muster something resembling a logical defense. Well, he probably realized that he can't so he threw a tantrum. Play the tiny violin...

    I posted on your diary at the Blend.

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  8. Is it actually possible for the US to become any more christianised? Scary thought.

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