Monday, December 19, 2005

The new "constitutional" excuse for warrantless eavesdropping on Americans

Now that the Administration itself has acknowledged that FISA cannot be used to justify its warrantless eavesdropping on the communications of American citizens (since that law expressly bars exactly that surveillance), supporters of the Administration are frantically searching around for new defenses to justify the Administration’s behavior (criticizing the Administration or acknowledging wrongdoing by it is not, of course, an option).

One of the most steadfast and stalwart Bush lovers, Hugh Hewitt, thinks he found a Supreme Court case which proves that the Administration has the right to eavesdrop on American citizens without a warrant. The case he waves around as proof that the Administration did nothing wrong is United States v. United States District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan et al, 407 U.S. 297 (1972) -- a case which plainly accomplishes the opposite of Hewitt's goal.

The case being hyped by Hewitt is actually one where the Supreme Court ruled that the Executive Branch is constitutionally prohibited from engaging in warrantless eavesdropping on the domestic communications of American citizens. Put another way, that case held that American citizens have a constitutional right under the Fourth Amendment which bars -- rather than permits -- the Government from eavesdropping on their conversations without a warrant.

To cite this case as though it is helpful to the Administration’s entitlement to eavesdrop without a warrant or that the President has inherent authority to order such surveillance – let alone to say, as Hewitt does, that this case"is where the debate over the president's executive order ought to begin and end"-- is so self-evidently false that one is tempted to ignore this preposterous rationale lest one dignify it as something to take seriously.

But we have seen too many times that there is no argument too absurd to be seized upon by those whose prime mandate is to defend George Bush, and sure enough, Hewitt’s new theory, overnight, is all the rage among Bush defenders, with Hewitt's post being hailed as dispositive proof that Bush did nothing wrong when he ordered the Government to eavesdrop on American citizens without a warrant.

This Supreme Court case ruled on the constitutionality of the Nixon Administration’s warrantless eavesdropping on the conversations of domestic groups suspected of plotting terrorist attacks inside the country, including an alleged bombing of a CIA office in Michigan. The Court defined the constitutional question it was deciding in the very first paragraph:


The issue before us is an important one for the people of our country and their Government. It involves the delicate question of the President's power, acting through the Attorney General, to authorize electronic surveillance in internal security matters without prior judicial approval. (emphasis added).

The Court’s answer: the Constitution prohibits the President from eavesdropping on the communications of American citizens without a judicial warrant:


The Fourth Amendment contemplates a prior judicial judgment, not the risk that executive discretion may be reasonably exercised. This judicial role accords with our basic constitutional doctrine that individual freedoms will best be preserved through a separation of powers and division of functions among the different branches and levels of Government. Harlan, Thoughts at a Dedication: Keeping the Judicial Function in Balance, 49 A. B. A. J. 943-944 (1963).

The independent check upon executive discretion is not [407 U.S. 297, 318] satisfied, as the Government argues, by "extremely limited" post-surveillance judicial review. Indeed, post-surveillance review would never reach the surveillances which failed to result in prosecutions. Prior review by a neutral and detached magistrate is the time-tested means of effectuating Fourth Amendment rights. Beck v. Ohio, 379 U.S. 89, 96 (1964). (emphasis added).


This is because, said the Court, the Fourth Amendment’s protection against unreasonable searches and seizures bars the Government from eavesdropping on our conversations without a warrant every bit as much as it bars the Government from knocking down our doors and searching our homes without a warrant:


Though physical entry of the home is the chief evil against which the wording of the Fourth Amendment is directed, its broader spirit now shields private speech from unreasonable surveillance. Katz v. United States, supra; Berger v. New York, supra; Silverman v. United States, 365 U.S. 505 (1961).

Our decision in Katz refused to lock the Fourth Amendment into instances of actual physical trespass. Rather, the Amendment governs "not only the seizure of tangible items, but extends as well to the recording of oral statements . . . without any `technical trespass under . . . local property law.'" Katz, supra, at 353. That decision implicitly recognized that the broad and unsuspected governmental incursions into conversational privacy which electronic surveillance entails necessitate the application of Fourth Amendment safeguards (emphasis added).


The constitutional requirement that a warrant be obtained before the Government can engage in such surveillance is not some petty bureaucratic formality invented by process-obsessed lawyers. To the contrary, it is the only means available for ensuring that the Government does not abuse this extremely potent power for its own dissent-punishing goals. The Court thus emphasized:


the very heart of the Fourth Amendment directive: that, where practical, a governmental search and seizure should represent both the efforts of the officer to gather evidence of wrongful acts and the judgment of the magistrate that the collected evidence is sufficient to justify invasion of a citizen's private premises or conversation. Inherent in the concept of a warrant is its issuance by a "neutral and detached magistrate." Coolidge v. New Hampshire, supra, at 453; Katz v. United States, supra, at 356. The further requirement of "probable cause" instructs the magistrate that baseless searches shall not proceed (emphasis added).


And lest anyone think that this is some abstract, lawyer’s argument, this Supreme Court case bizarrely relied upon by Hewitt should disabuse anyone of that notion, too:


The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. Senator Hart addressed this dilemma in the floor debate on 2511 (3):

"As I read it - and this is my fear - we are saying that the President, on his motion, could declare - name your favorite poison - draft dodgers, Black Muslims, the Ku Klux Klan, or civil rights activists to be a clear and present danger to the structure or existence of the Government."

The price of lawful public dissent must not be a dread of subjection to an unchecked surveillance power. Nor must the fear of unauthorized official eavesdropping deter vigorous citizen dissent and discussion of Government action in private conversation. For private dissent, no less than open public discourse, is essential to our free society. . .

Although some added burden will be imposed upon the Attorney General, this inconvenience is justified in a free society to protect constitutional values. Nor do we think the Government's domestic surveillance powers will be impaired to any significant degree. A prior warrant establishes presumptive validity of the surveillance and will minimize the burden of justification in post-surveillance judicial review.

By no means of least importance will be the reassurance of the public generally that indiscriminate wiretapping and bugging of law-abiding citizens cannot occur (emphasis added).

Believe it or not, this is the case which Hugh Hewitt actually offered up last night as proof that the Administration, independent of statute, has the constitutional authority to eavesdrop on American citizens without bothering to obtain a warrant – a case which clearly said exactly the opposite of that assertion, as clearly as it could say it. It is true that this case considered the issue of communications occurring domestically involving a domestic group, rather than internationally (i.e., an American citizen communicating with someone outside the country as part of an international group), but the rationale is identical: except with narrowly defined exceptions not applicable here, the Constitution bars the Executive from eavesdropping on the conversation of American citizens without a warrant.

Thus, as Hewitt’s "defense" demonstrates, the Bush’s Administration’s warrantless surveillance of American citizens not only violates Congressionally acted legislation which bars such surveillance, but also is barred by long-standing constitutional doctrine holding that the core guarantee of the Fourth Amendment protects Americans from exactly such intrusions.

24 comments:

  1. Anonymous9:59 AM

    I dont know how you have the patience to expose their lies and deceit, but I am very glad you do.

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  2. Anonymous11:23 AM

    They will say night is day to defend the Dear Leader. This case is independent grounds for attacking Bush. He is clearly violating the Constitution.

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  3. Anonymous12:17 PM

    We turn back on our best selves and so turn our values upside down. Your due diligence is much appreciated, even as the lack of it in others is lamented. Linked this and the previous post at "WANTED."

    I struggle to remember an instance like this where proponents and defenders in an argument believe so thoroughly restating the premise proves the premise. And has there ever been a case more filled with the fallacy of after this, because of this?

    Keep up the fine work. Much appreciated.

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  4. Anonymous4:06 PM

    Believe it or not, this is the case which Hugh Hewitt actually offered up last night as proof that the Administration, independent of statute, has the constitutional authority to eavesdrop on American citizens without bothering to obtain a warrant – a case which clearly said exactly the opposite of that assertion, as clearly as it could say it.

    Yes. When I read the case last nite, I emailed someone and adivsed that Hewitt's reliance on it is "inexplicable." The President may well have an "inherent authority" to conduct searches sans warrants in a time of exigent national security circumstances, i.e., when securing warrants is impracticable.

    But I am aware of no precedent that would allow him to conduct such searches when obtaining a warrant is feasible, and as easy as it apparently is from the FIS Court.

    I can't believe those on the right who are defending Bush on this issue would not be screaming like all hell if it were Bill Clinton doing it. They might wish to consider that the WOT is going to go on for some time, and a Republican may not always sit in the oval office. Do they want, say, Hillary having warrantless wiretaps available at her whim?

    The reactions and special pleading from the lawyers in right blogistan -- definitely including Hewitt and Mark Levin over at The Corner -- have been quite appalling, coming as they do from those who simply must know better. With the notable exception of Prof. Bainbridge, who is so horrified he is speculating about making a Christmas donation to the ACLU.

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  5. Anonymous4:31 PM

    Thank you so much for your clear analysis.

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  6. Anonymous4:32 PM

    First, thanks so much for deconstructing the absurd b.s. being offered up by the President's apologists.

    Second, I'm compelled to point out one more thing about Hewitt's moronic post that helps confirm its utter idiocy. At the end of the post, Hewitt includes the following quote from Justice Jackson's famous concurrence in the Steel Seizure cases:

    "The executive action we have here originates in the individual will of the President and represents an exercise of authority without law. No one, perhaps not even the President, knows the limits of the power he may seek to exert in this instance and the parties affected cannot learn the limit of their rights."

    Hewitt describes this quote "a summary applicable to the current assertion of presidential authority", apparently believing this is somehow helpful to the President's cause here. Of course, the quote, and indeed, the entirety of Jackson's opinion, obliterates any notion that the the President's program is constitutional. A little quiz: The fact that Hewitt has cited Jackson's concurrence in DEFENSE!!! of the President's program can only be seen as proving which of the follwing:
    A. Hewitt is unbelievably stupid.
    B. Hewitt assumes his readers are unbelievably stupid.
    C. Both A & B.

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  7. Anonymous6:25 PM

    Jeff G. I love your blog, but your tortured efforts to fit Bush's warrantless intercepts within FISA are not worthy of you. Indeed, I am very disturbed by your and most right-of-center reactions to Bush's violation of the law. This is from today's WaPo:

    In a wide-ranging news conference this morning, Bush said his authority to have the National Security Agency eavesdrop without judicial involvement derived from his inherent constitutional powers as commander in chief as well as from the authorization for the use of military force approved by Congress in the wake of the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. "Congress gave me authority," he said. ...

    Gonzales said that while FISA prohibits eavesdropping without court approval, it makes an exception where Congress "otherwise authorizes." That authorization, he said, was implicit in the authorization for the use of military force.
    Responding to Gonzales this morning was Sen. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) "Nobody, nobody, thought when we passed a resolution to invade Afghanistan and to fight the war on terror, including myself who voted for it, thought that this was an authorization to allow a wiretapping against the law of the United States," Feingold said on NBC's "Today" show.


    All of this blather from Condi Rice and others about unspecified statutes other than FISA supposedly permitting what Bush has done is simply so much spinning bullspit. There are no such statutes -- or Gonzalez would have cited them -- and neither does FISA permit what the NSA is doing; unless one accepts Gonzalez's absurd "interpretation" of it wrt congressional authorization of military force. Bush and Gonzalez are simply arguing that as CiC, and with Congress having authorized war to route the Taliban, George Bush can do whatever he wants absent any judicial oversight.

    Do you really want to accept that? Would you if Hillary Clinton were president?

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  8. Anonymous7:26 PM

    According to the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review all courts that have decided the issue have held that the President has the inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information and suggests that FISA could not encroach on the President’s constitutional power. It also opined that in Keith, the Supreme Court explicitly declined to consider foreign intelligence surveillance.

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  9. I hope everyone hears the argument that Jeff is making, riding on the National Review horse to do so.

    See, now the President not only has the right to take American citizens and imprison them in military prisons indefinitely without a trial or any due process at all based on absolutely nothing other than his own say-so, he now has given himself a new power . . . .

    he can now actually take American citizens - American citizens - and strip them of their legal rights as citizens under Congressional statutes by unilaterally decreeing - with no charges, no trial, no due process, no nothing - just the wave of his King's wand - that they are "associated" with a terrorist organization and therefore an "agent of a foreign power."

    Thus, Congress passed a statute forbidding the eavesdropping on U.S. citizens without a warrant. But Jeff is here to say that he believes - oh, sorry. . . . he is struggling with the possibility -- that the President can abide by that law by simply pointing to someone, declaring that he is no longer a "U.S. person," and then eavesdrop on their conversations whenever he wants without giving them the rights to which REAL American citizens are entitled.

    Why not just make George Bush dictator for life and get it over with? It would save so much time and anguish.

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  10. Anonymous7:54 PM

    As I said in your previous post, the earlier talk about Bush abiding by FISA was nothing but trash-talk. You could see them moving the goal-posts in the very thread itself.

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  11. As I said in your previous post, the earlier talk about Bush abiding by FISA was nothing but trash-talk. You could see them moving the goal-posts in the very thread itself.

    I think what happened there was that the people who were eager to defend him this weekend but weren't yet getting their marching order from the WH (which was still trying to figure out its defense) thought that they had to argue that this surveillance was justified by FISA (because, to their credit, the utterly laughable claim that Bush got the authority to do this from the Afghanistan War resolution never occured to them).

    As a result, they began finding all sorts of ways to fit conduct which plainly was barred by FISA into the statute. Then, Rice yesterday and Bush today pulled the rug out from the whole sad enterprise by acknowledging that they had to go outside of FISA in order to order this surveillance.

    Despite all of this, some of them - I think Don Rumsfeld calls them "Dead Enders" in other contexts -- are continuing to argue that FISA still justifies these searches.

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  12. Anonymous8:54 PM

    glenn: I think what happened there was that the people who were eager to defend him this weekend but weren't yet getting their marching order from the WH...

    Yeah, well, can't wait to hear what they come up with when people start getting trucked to internment -- er, "national security" -- camps.

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  13. Anonymous9:00 PM

    Ugly American: Interestingly, while I did not take Hewitt's Con Law course, I did sit in such a class as taught by a fellow Hewitt really likes. Namely, Douglas J. Kmiec, head of the DoJ's Office of Legal Counsel in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations. And I really loved his course.

    Kmiec is extremely conservative, and occasionally writes for National Review. Hewitt loves him for, among other things, defending the Harriet Miers nomination. (Can't get my link to Hewitt's Kmiec discussion through the software here.)

    Doug Kmiec (who is intellectually honest) may well defend Bush on this warrantless intercept matter, but I guaranteee you, he is far too intelligent to think the holding in the case Hewitt cites would be of significant help. Hewitt is not stupid, but he is so outrageously and unremittingly partisan that he is willing to toss out a case that non-lawyers are (mostly) ill-equipped to penetrate, and see that it simply is the antithesis of what Hewitt is arguing. Kmiec would flunk him if Hewitt set that forth as a serious legal argument, as opposed to blog handwaving.

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  14. Anonymous9:54 PM

    I am not sure I believe what I read here. In the discussion that hypatia and ugly have under way, the argument has been made that only con law specialists can penetrate the FISA and 4th amendment rights, or the rights of a President in a time of "self" declared war.

    I know there are many ways to interpret English, but anyone who says they struggle with the plain words of the Amendment itself does a dual disservice - to him,or her, self and to the readers.

    This is not complicated, much as some of us would like it to be. These "warrantless" searches are wrong, ethically and constitutionally. The FISA leaves room for what is required. Going around it serves but one purpose - to evade judicial review. This has nothing to do with war, or even terrorism. Both can be managed as effectively as they have been (far better, were it done by competent and honest men and women) under the law. Evading judicial review does NOT promote the good of American citizens.

    And, sorry, but to read Hugh is to recognize that he is no intellectual giant. He is also not particularly honest in his partisanship. If he runs his classes as he runs his site, his students would best be served by going elsewhere.

    Something has been lost in this country if we use the rule of law to permit the administration to operate outside the law. That is a perversive outcome, another one of those logic errors - the reduction to the absurd. Then again, recent national debate has all the atmosphere of the Dance Macabre.

    Jake

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  15. Anonymous10:20 PM

    TUA, it is dishonest partisanship that boils my grits. I can respect a being's positions when said being has the gumption to do the careful work required to get at the truth - which work often comes down to matters of belief, not fact. As in, I believe Bush has been a disaster for America, and Hugh believes otherwise. The future will make more clear which one of us is right. As a matter of belief I can respect that position.

    But I have followed several of Hugh's little trails, only to find intellectual dishonesty at trail's end. Not necessarily his, but he didn't do the work, he took another fallible partisan's word and called it good - which only serves partisanship, not the truth, and only incidentally citizens of this or any state.

    So yes, I too am partisan. But I think I'm doing the work, the individual, intellectual work to find an ethical position that doesn't require permanent intellectual blindness.

    A self administered and self destructive blindness this administration seems to suffer quite willingly.

    In a year we will see if fear mongering and lies can continue to hold hostage the middle ground of this country. For sure, they no longer hold me.

    Jake

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  16. Anonymous10:25 PM

    Jake writes: I am not sure I believe what I read here. In the discussion that hypatia and ugly have under way, the argument has been made that only con law specialists can penetrate the FISA and 4th amendment rights, or the rights of a President in a time of "self" declared war.

    I'm sorry if it seems elitist, but yes, most non-lawyers are not well-positioned to reach whether or not what Bush is doing violates either FISA or the 4th Amendment. Fourth Am jurisprudence --including exceptions to warrant requirements -- and powers of the President with regard to national security are pretty complex areas of law that even very smart lawyers have difficulty grappling with. I've repeatedly read Orin Kerr's tentative analysis of whether the NSA warrantless intercepts are legal/constitutional, and the comments from many other lawyers regarding Kerr's analysis, and am still trying to digest it all. And I'm a lawyer. (And what Kerr offers is one hell of a lot more respectable than Hewitt's blathering, even if I think I will end up disagreeing with him.)

    It is possible for Bush to completely violate FISA and still be within the Constitution, that is, his NSA program could be legal under certain theories (which I do not find persuasive) of his inherent powers and the Authorization to Use Military Force. Kerr writes:

    it seems that the program was probably constitutional but probably violated the federal law known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. My answer is extra-cautious for two reasons. First, there is some wiggle room in FISA, depending on technical details we don't know of how the surveillance was done. Second, there is at least a colorable argument -- if, I think in the end, an unpersuasive one -- that the surveillance was authorized by the Authorization to Use Miltary Force as construed in the Hamdi opinion.

    and then goes on into a quite lengthy analysis which he repeatedly insists is tentative, because the issues are so complex.

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  17. Anonymous10:49 PM

    cultural revolution

    From SouthCoastToday.com comes news that Department of Homeland Security officials visited an Umass Dartmouth senior, after he requested an inter-library loan of an official copy of Mao's Little Red Book for use in researching a term paper on totalitarianism. Only the incomparably obtuse will fail to grasp the irony here, blemished though it is with horror. Coming on the heels of reports that spies are monitorong war protesters, disobedient churches, and untold others, many of whom mistook what they were doing for an exercise of their constitutional rights, one supposes DHS officials have also visited 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. After all, the occupying regime has demonstarted its taste for the totalitarian.

    Bloogers who support these Kafkaesque practices label those who disagree "Commies", without any apparent ear for the irony in what they say. For just such an example of the incomparably obtuse, I offer this from AnkleBitingPundits.com.

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  18. Anonymous10:51 PM

    Ugly American repeats; Now please call Hugh in the next 20 mins so I can listen to you guys argue it out!

    The odds of my calling any radio talk show are about as high as OJ's actually being innocent. The issues under discussion will not be resolved in such a plebian, loosey-goosey venue.

    Rather, sites like Glenn's -- where he has amply demonstrated both that Bush violated FISA and that Hewitt's relying on that Keith case for the proposition that the debate is thereby settled is sheer nonsense -- and the Volokh Conspiracy, are where light will shine.

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  19. It is possible for Bush to completely violate FISA and still be within the Constitution, that is, his NSA program could be legal under certain theories (which I do not find persuasive) of his inherent powers and the Authorization to Use Military Force.

    Just to be clear about this, having read through Kerr's quite analysis and the comments, Kerr concluded (tentatively):

    (1) Bush's secret warrantless surveillance program violated FISA;

    (2) Bush did NOT have independent authority either in the Afghanistan War Resolution or some Article II inherent powers doctrine to eavesdrop on U.S. citizens without a warrant; and,

    (3) the warrantless surveillance itself (if it had statutory authority, which it did not) would NOT have violated the Fourth Amendment, and was therefore, in that sense "constitutional".

    I disagree - strongly - with Kerr's number (3), but that is his analysis. The analysis amounts to a conclusion that Bush violated the law and acted without legal authority when doing so, although Kerr thinks the latter proposition is a close call (I definitely do not).

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  20. With great triumphalism you claim that you are right and there can be no argument about it. Yet the very case you quote does not support your position.

    "The issue before us is an important one for the people of our country and their Government. It involves the delicate question of the President's power, acting through the Attorney General, to authorize electronic surveillance in internal security matters without prior judicial approval. (emphasis added)."

    "in internal security matters" is not the same as foreign surveillance that includes a party in the US, as I'm sure you know but seem unwilling to acknowledge in your zeal to "prove" you are right.

    To assert that terrorists have Fourth Amendment rights simply because the party to their conversation is in America is to stretch the Constitution well beyond its meaning.

    This matter is a great deal more complex than you claim it to be and as a lawyer you have an ethical duty to represent the law fairly and in an unbiased manner.

    You have failed in that duty.

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  21. Anonymous12:44 AM

    Glenn, thanks for summing up Kerr -- I had misread his Article II "inherent authority" analysis and thought he was finding that Bush had a good argument that this claimed authority meant he is not bound by FISA. Kerr sets forth the colorable arguments for Bush's NSA policy, and does so infinitely more cogently than Hewitt or the NRO opiners. But I also, as you do, disagree with his opinion that if Bush had authority for these warrantless intercepts that they do not violate the 4th am.

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  22. "in internal security matters" is not the same as foreign surveillance that includes a party in the US, as I'm sure you know but seem unwilling to acknowledge in your zeal to "prove" you are right.

    Exactly that which you claim I will be unwilling to acknowledge is something I already explicitly said in the post of mine which you claim to have read:

    "It is true that this case considered the issue of communications occurring domestically involving a domestic group, rather than internationally (i.e., an American citizen communicating with someone outside the country as part of an international group), but the rationale is identical: except with narrowly defined exceptions not applicable here, the Constitution bars the Executive from eavesdropping on the conversation of American citizens without a warrant."

    Perhaps you were in a hurry and missed it.

    As I said, this distinction is, in my view, meaningless for the Fourth Amendment analysis. If - as the Supreme Court held - the Fourth Amendment bars the Government from eavesdropping without a warrant on the telephone call of an American citizen when he is talking to, say, Timothy McVeigh or a member of a domestic terrorist group, then it would seem that it would also bar the Government from doing so for an international call between an American citizen and suspected Al Qaeda member.

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  23. Anonymous12:14 PM

    Mr. Greenwald, I second The Ugly American, a "Liberal Democrat": You should be careful about trying to poke holes in Mr. Hewitt's arguments, because he is a lawyer who has studied Constitutional law. Until you have experience in either area, you should refrain from passing judgment.
    \snark

    Funny how even a layman can read the SCOTUS decision and see that it says the exact opposite of what Hewitt is claiming. That must be why commenters must resort to moving the goalposts yet again, or asserting that we can't really understand explicit statements in English because we're not as smart as Hugh Hewitt.

    --mds

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  24. Anonymous2:04 PM

    karl - from what I can tell, the Surveillance Court was simply speaking of FISA in general. The issue isn't really the relationship of FISA to the Fourth Amendment. The issue is, did the administration violate FISA? The answer seems to be yes, whether or not you think it's a technicality.

    Besides trying to use the Hamdi decision, the administration's supporters (and hence probably the administration itself) seem to be arguing that terrorist organizations may in fact be considered to be "factions" of foreign powers, and hence applicable to section 1801(a)(1-3). This may be possible in some cases, but seems a dubious strategy in general, since it seems to conflict with their other claims regarding the legality of the torture of suspected terrorists. Again, time will tell, but that particular strategy looks rather messy at best.

    They may also be arguing that conspirators with terrorist organizations are not "U.S. persons" but I doubt that will go very far.

    The only option left would be to claim that U.S. vs. U.S. etc. (the 1972 ruling) doesn't limit presidential powers in these specific cases, but that also seems unlikely to be the case.

    I admit it's odd that FISA might limit presidential powers of surveillance when it comes to terrorist organizations, but if that's the way it is, then that's the way it is.

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