Tuesday, January 17, 2006

Invasion of the dirty masses

(Updated below)

The principal benefit from the emergence of the blogosphere is that it has opened up our political discourse to a much wider and more diverse group of participants. Previously, establishment journalists and their hand-picked commentators were the sole vehicle for the dissemination of political opinions. The only commentators and opinions which received any real attention were the ones which establishment journalists deemed worthy of attention. Those who were outside of the club of established journalists were ignored and unable to have their opinions heard.

All of that has changed with the blogosphere. The blogosphere is a hard-core and pure meritocracy. It doesn’t matter who you are or what your pedigree is. You either produce persuasive arguments and do so with credibility, or you don’t. Whether someone has influence in the blogosphere has nothing to do with their institutionalized credentials and everything to do with the substance of what they produce. That is why even those who maintain their anonymity can be among the most popular, entertaining and influential voices. The blogosphere has exploded open the gates of influence which were previously guarded so jealously by the establishment journalists.

For precisely that reason, many establishment journalists have raging contempt for the blogosphere. It is a contempt grounded in the fallacy of credentialism and a pseudo-elitist belief that only the approved and admitted members of their little elite journalist club can be trusted to enlighten the masses. Many of them see blogs as a distasteful and anarchic sewer, where uncredentialed and irresponsible people who are totally unqualified to articulate opinions are running around spewing all sorts of uninformed trash. And these journalistic gate-keepers become especially angry when blogospheric criticism is directed towards other establishment journalists, who previously were immune from any real public accountability.

The irony, though, is that many of these establishment journalists have been forced to accommodate the growing influence of the blogosphere by starting blogs of their own. And the unedited and immediate format of blogging means that they sometimes unintentionally reveal their real mindset, and one can see it in the light of day.

The blog over at The New Republic, called The Plank, provides countless examples of establishment journalists' embittered, self-loving thought processes at work. In some ways, The Plank is the national headquarters for petty journalistic elitism and the fallacy of credentialism. At The Plank, those who are properly credentialed are entitled to an immediate presumption of the rightness of their opinions (regardless of the substantive merit), and opinions expressed by those who are without these TNR-recognized credentials are presumptively worthless.

This post from The Plank's Jason Zengerle – in which he opines with regard to the NSA scandal that "some of the outrage is in fact outrageous" -- illustrates the problem perfectly:

David Rivkin and Lee Casey, who both worked as lawyers in the Reagan and Bush I Justice Departments, take to The New York Times op-ed page today to argue that President Bush's warrantless domestic surveillance program is legal. "The program's existence has now become public, and howls of outrage have ensued," they write. "But in fact, the only thing outrageous about this policy is the outrage itself."

I don't know enough about the law to know whether Rivkin and Casey are technically correct (although the fact that Cass Sunstein, as honest a broker as you're likely to find among law professors, thinks that Bush may well have been within his legal rights makes me think that some of the outrage is in fact outrageous).

Zengerle says that he is incapable of reaching his own conclusion as to whether the President broke the law, but is nonetheless willing to dismiss the outrage over this scandal – and even label the outrage itself "outrageous" -- based on nothing other than the say-so of Cass Sunstein. Without mentioning a single argument of Sunstein’s that he finds persuasive (indeed, without even indicating that he read any of Sunstein’s arguments), Zengerle turns up his nose at all of the protests over Bush's law-breaking as nothing more than the ignorant, base anger of the masses. After all, Cass Sunstein is an Approved, Credentialed and Important Person at TNR, so when he expresses an opinion, one can assume that it is likely correct.

In contrast to the towering giants of Credentialism like Sunstein, those whom Zengerle has not heard of can barely be mentioned in good company, let alone be taken seriously. In this post, Zengerle explains why he is so offended by the widespread pedestrian criticisms of The New York Times’ Bill Keller based on the fact that the Times concealed the NSA story for more than a year after it learned of it.

In particular, Zengerle takes aim at the criticisms of the Times made by, to use Zengerle’s term, "a press critic named Jay Rosen." The bulk of Zengerle’s response is devoted to demonstrating that Rosen is a big nobody who Zengerle has never heard of and therefore can’t possibly be qualified to speak ill of Journalism Giant Bill Keller:

I don't know much about Rosen, other than that he must be taken somewhat seriously by media people, since he's frequently linked to on Romenesko (either that or he e-mails Romenesko every time he writes a new blog post). According to his bio, Rosen "had a very brief career in journalism at the Buffalo Courier-Express" before going off to media studies grad school; he's been on the faculty at NYU since 1986.

Now, maybe in the two decades that have passed since he worked at an actual publication, Rosen's forgotten what it takes to put out one of those publications; or maybe the Buffalo Courier-Express had the unique ability, not to mention the unlimited resources, to both report the news and report on itself. But if the Times and most other media outlets actually abided by Rosen's transparency prescription, they wouldn't be able to produce first-rate stories like the one about the NSA's warrantless surveillance.

The snottiness here is breathtaking. According to Zengerle, the only reason why Rosen’s name can even pass the lips of anyone serious is because "he’s frequently linked to on Romenesko" (although that might only be because "he e-mails Romenesko every time he writes a blog post"). And Rosen has barely even worked in real journalism, and when he did, he worked at something called "the Buffalo Courier-Express," which Zengerle makes a point of mocking.

What is always missing from these snide dismissals is any consideration of the merits of the actual argument. People in these journalistic clubs will always defend each other from outside attacks no matter the merits, because they believe in their souls that their inclusion in the club by itself proves that they are superior to those outside of it when it comes to assessing news events and forming thoughts and opinions on them.

This morning, The Plank’s Michael Crowley lashed out at what he perceives to be unfair attacks on fellow establishment journalist Sue Schmidt of The Washington Post. Schmidt stated, falsely, that Jack Abramoff donated money to some Democrats. The Plank had previously demanded that the blogosphere "apologize" to Schmidt for what it believes were unfair criticisms of her, and this morning Crowley let loose his real thoughts about the crass, unregulated, uncredentialed world of blogging:

Perhaps my favorite part of this utterly inane attack is the commenter who opines, "Schmidt's getting paid like Armstrong Williams got paid." How does somone (sic) so stupid manage to operate a computer? Anti-TNR bloggers often tease us about our modest circulation numbers as compared to their impressive readerships. But if that's the kind of simpleton certain bloggers spend their lives entertaining, I, for one, don't mind the comparison. The relationship between a blog item and a response like the ones I'm discussing here is not new-media "journalism," nor is it activism. It's vaudeville. Except it's not even funny.

The never-ending parade of journalism embarrassments which we've witnessed -- from Bob Woodward and Judy Miller to the Times’ refusal to explain why it concealed this NSA story for a full year -- has exposed the decadent and corrupt underbelly of these media stars. The difference is that there was never a mechanism in the past for compelling them to account for their behavior and now there is. And nothing has exposed their fragile, self-absorbed and incestuous mindset more than the responses they give when defending each other.

One of the truly most damaging problems we have faced is that the people in these journalistic and political circles have cared far more about defending themselves and preserving their status in these clubs than they have cared about performing their role as journalists. They defend each other instinctively and truly see themselves as beyond criticism and above accountability, particularly from those who have not reached their lofty journalistic heights. The blogosphere has made it impossible for them to maintain that cocoon. They now have to hear criticism of their work and sometimes even have to lower themselves to addressing it. And as The New Republic bloggers often make crystal clear, they are quite unhappy about all of this.

UPDATE: Ezra Klein is not particularly enamored of the argument I make, to put it mildly, and explains why in a thoughtful (though misguided) post at his blog. I posted my reply to Ezra in his Comments section.

46 comments:

  1. Anonymous1:57 PM

    The journalism crisis is our real crisis. We need more of these attacks on them to let them know we are watching and won't take their shit any more.

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  2. Anonymous2:04 PM

    "And as The New Republic bloggers often make crystal clear, they are quite unhappy about all of this."

    I would suggest that if you went back and looked at the response of the Big Three automakers to the initial appearance of Japanese cars in the U.S. market, you will find a similiar progression: From amused contempt, to alarm, to fear, to rage.

    It's the natural reaction of entrenched producers in an oligopolistic market to the introduction of real competition.

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  3. Hah. I was the commentator Crowley sneered at who said "Schmidt's getting paid like Armstrong Williams got paid." His response is pretty much what I was expecting to hear, really.

    As far as I'm concerned, there's a growing problem with the media's credibility, in particular when it comes to all the reporters and columnists who are getting outed as bribe-takers.

    Any smart reader should be asking, "Can I trust reporters to tell me the truth?" Too bad the media's response to the question is "You'll take what we give you and you'll like it. Dumbass."

    I'm sure there are a lot of reporters who aren't taking bribes. But when they can't do anything to assure us of their honesty but complain that we're mean for demanding proof, they're not going to get anywhere very fast...

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  4. Your post is excellent and describes perfectly the behavior of these journalists who consider themselves superior to the rest of us. Because official journalism in the U.S. is barely better than reading Pravda these days (except for a few brave souls), it behooves the rest of us to communicate among ourselves and educate each other and anyone who is interested as much as possible. All we need to do is to be careful to distinguish opinion and conjecture (which is a perfectly acceptable human activity) from rational argument supported by evidence.

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  5. Anonymous2:10 PM

    These comments make much more sense if read in a Jim Backus voice.
    You know, somewhere between Thurston Howell III and Mister Magoo.

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  6. Anonymous2:18 PM

    There are of course excellent journalists who see the blogosphere as a resource. Why they have no power in the newsroom is an interesting institutional question.

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  7. There's an enormous irony here -- journalism deteriorated during the same time frame when they were becoming credentialized and arrogant.

    The silliness of the Gore-Bush coverage, per Somerby, is one example. The ludicrous and credulous coverage of the Clinton impeachment circus is a second. The servile and dishonest coverage of the runup to the Iraq War is a third. And those are all major stories, not stuff from the Style section.

    Several times in the last few years I've seen journalistic spokespersons defend mindless and uncritical "objectivity", "neutrality", and "balance" with real passion.

    At some point I realized that they all had been indoctrinated in this as part of their professionalism, and believed that outsiders just were not capable of understanding what they were doing. (That kind of exclusiveness is characteristic of any licensed monopolist, of course.)

    In the end, though, management is responsible. The faces and bylines we see are low-level people, and they've learned what they have to do to please their bosses.

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  8. Anonymous2:23 PM

    Regarding what Billmon wrote above, didn't Gandhi say something like, "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win."???

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  9. Anonymous2:23 PM

    Someone said upthread that we need to let "them" know that we won't take their shit anymore.

    My sad suspicion is that these people are so self-deluded, so wrapped up in the facts of their status and credentials and the fact that they inahabit a rather rarified world of elite journalism, that they actually think these things make them absolutely right, and exempt them from logical or critical scrutiny, or even merely, the need to have one's reported "facts" bear some actual relationship to reality.

    In other words, these people are so self-deluded, that I suspect that they don't realize that a lot of the "shit" they are peddling is actually shit.

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  10. Anonymous2:29 PM

    As always, Ghandi's axiom is relevant: "First they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

    God only knows that there are plenty of genuine issues regarding reportage and the ascendency new media, self-published authors (I refuse to use the word "blogosphere"). But traditional media hasn't gotten these reliability issues sussed out either, and the descent into ad hominem attacks underscores the fact that they don't want anyone to know it.

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  11. Anonymous2:31 PM

    It's not that these "journalists" ignore arguments: it's not what they deal in. These are not smart people who have gotten their positions through smarts and hard work. They have used networking, sucking up, and similar social skills to get where they are. THIS IS ALL THEY KNOW. So naturally, this is how they deal with their critics: with high school level put-downs.

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  12. Dustin, you sure are consistent.

    It doesn't make any difference why he deferred to Sunstein's authority. The point is that he failed to tell us what Sunstein's reasons were.

    Your second paragraph is just hot air, so I'll ignore it. Try to bring value-added to the discussion when possible.

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  13. Anonymous2:54 PM

    The elitism really is stifling. A couple of weeks ago, Franklin Foer lit into Atrios for among other things, his delivery of his criticism. Sure, Foer says, he's right, but too strident in what he thought was reflexive media bashing. He's both wrong and ineffectual.

    First, I think most blogs, especially ones like Atrios, link to media stories and especially welcome and admire good journalism, but, from an objective, that is factual, level most journalism doesn't serve the public.

    These adolescent mandarins at the TNR simply don't give a shit about the public's need to know so much as their need for a better paying job. Without understanding that motive, it's baffling to understand why they think press critics, whether they come from the blogosphere or academia, are the enemy.

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  14. An excellent post, but please note that plenty of journalists would have TNR journos walk The Plank rather than write for it. While there's an animus to blogging among many journalists, plenty of journalists are honest-to-god bloggers--and let's not forget the fellatial approach blowhards on CNN have taken to the medium. (Please, is there room on that bandwagon? Make room!)

    A journalist friend of mine has defended Bill Keller's withholding the story, because big stories often get held up when new information comes in that needs to be investigated. This happens with lawyers, too: Didn't Patrick Fitzgerald hold up Karl Rove's indictment so he could investigate allegedly new info that his lawyer presented?

    All I'm saying is that it's fair to criticize The Plank and the silly policy of credential worship, but please realize that you can't throw all journalists into one big category of blog-haters.

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  15. Anonymous3:58 PM

    I agree. I did quite a bit of writing for a weekly newspaper years ago, and the idea was to get the story. You didn't take the cops' word for what happened, nor the government official's. Good reporting requires detective work.

    I think you'll still see that at a local level - from reporters working for regional publications with readers who might know something about the topic - just like you see a good deal more integrity from public officials at a local level, where they're more directly accountable and don't have so much power that they're drowning in ego-juice.

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  16. Wasn't Judy the one who said, explicitly, that her job was only to report what the government was saying, and not to analyse it?

    And as for the sneer factor, an extreme example is Kathleen Parker's recent column (credit to Bill of Daily Kos) in which she waxes nasty over the fact that bloggers are"effete" spoiled children who are just plain "creepy" and who, unlike REAL journalists, are undisciplined and unaccountable.

    The Kossacks took her apart, not surprisingly. Parker is an extreme example, but many of the elite reporters undoubtedly feel the way Parker does.

    J-schools are beginning to get away from would-be journalists only getting a degree in journalism and are requiring them to at least minor in a subject like history, political science or sociology, something more substantative than just learning how to conduct an interview or operate an audio workstation.

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  17. Anonymous4:33 PM

    Most of this post is right, but when I read,

    "The blogosphere is a hard-core and pure meritocracy. It doesn’t matter who you are or what your pedigree is. You either produce persuasive arguments and do so with credibility, or you don’t. Whether someone has influence in the blogosphere has nothing to do with their institutionalized credentials and everything to do with the substance of what they produce."

    I thought, "Oh, c'mon." What kind of persuasive arguments does Instapundit make? or Jonah Goldberg? or Hindrocket? If they are indeed persuasive, perhaps we should be highlighting 'reasoned arguments' not 'persuasive arguments' Karl Rove certainly orchestrates 'persuasive arguments', persuasive for slightly more than half the voters in 11/04, anyway.

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  18. Anonymous4:48 PM

    All that are missing from Zengerle's post are a snuff box, a silk handkerchief, and lace cuffs. And he's a late development in TNR's Peretz-era project to get more conservative mysticism into their magazine. At one time you bought TNR to read critiques of the kinds of things that often appear in its pages now.

    parsec

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  19. Anonymous5:16 PM

    That post summed up much of what I've been thinking about the press for a few years now, Glenn. Thanks.

    And as J-school grad, I can tell you from personal experience that the "access to power" angle is what really turns a lot of these people on, as much or more than getting the full story out there. There's far too much comfort with reliance on "official sources."

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  20. Anonymous5:31 PM

    Glenn's analysis is right, it just isn't all there is to say. Why is Instapundit popular? Because he is a good portal. Goldberg? He is a "caterer," as are many on the left.

    Read more here.

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  21. Heh heh, the way to really drive mainstream media types batshit crazy is when the dirty masses claim that 9/11 was an inside job or that Bush stole the 2004 election. These are things they assiduously refuse to even mention in the face of extremely strong evidence.

    Sadly, most liberal bloggers seem to want to ignore the evidence as well.

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  22. Anonymous5:37 PM

    I found the most telling about journalist was the reporting of a study on journalist opinions vs the general public in Franken's book Lies and The lying liars.
    The results was that the opinions of journals on national issues was the opposite of the general public.

    So, we have the people in the news giving us the news from a perspective that most of us have no agreement with.

    I recall years ago a Night Line episode where they lined up the news people and had a "discussion" about news. What hit me the most was Donaldson's comment that they don't decide what is news. No, it is us the people that tell them what is news. I thought, how do I know what is news until I watch you reporting it to me? Now I know what he was talking about: marketing. But what an absurd premise that I know you think what I'm telling you is news by knowing how many of you are watching me.

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  23. As a cabbie, one of my favourite pastimes is patiently explaining to uppity journos that, by definition, journalism is not a profession. Whereas cab driving is.

    To wit, a profession is one which requires accreditaton to a regulatory body with the power to cancel our license and livelihood for breaches of the rules.

    On that definition journalists don't rate as a profession anymore than prostitution does.

    Strangely though, they never tip me...ingrates.

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  24. My thanks to Hypatia (who, obviously, I agree with) for tuning me into this blog & discussion.

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  25. Anonymous6:34 PM

    My thanks to Hypatia (who, obviously, I agree with) for tuning me into this blog & discussion.

    You are quite welcome. I found your broad, market niche analysis quite insightful, and accurate, back when my "guide" Instapundit linked to it; I also find Glenn's somewhat different, more narrow analysis about what so enrages journos entirely cogent. Both just are true.

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  26. I like this argument -- I never thought of it that way.

    The odd thing about this Credentialism in which many so-called journalists believe is that, even as it is a conservative way of thinking that benefits conservatives in terms of how news gets biased, because conservatives have convinced so many that liberals believe in elitism (by confusing elitism with meritocracy in the public's mind ... they have the two largely reversed thanks to a long-standing conservative misinformation campaign to do so), the elitism of the actually quite obvious credentialism of the mainstream media is taken by many to be a sign of its liberal bias.

    So we have a yet another situation in which a conservative bias is mistaken for a liberal one. And Democrats wonder why their message isn't getting accross?

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  27. Anonymous7:37 PM

    It's vastly amusing to all non-leftists to see the 80% left/liberal media being attacked by far-left bloggers. Sort of like seeing a cannibal being eaten by his children, who tell him "Hey, this is how you raised us!" as they feast on his entrails.

    This thread is perfectly exemplary of the lunatic left, complete with allegations 9/11 was an inside job, Bush stole the 2004 election, massive conservative conspiracies, and the dismissal of Cass Sunstein.

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  28. Anonymous7:49 PM

    The only thing more outrageous than the outrage over this is the outrage over that. That is something we will never forget. Whatever it was.

    Congratulations on being named Ezra Klein's Smart Guy . . . Smart Dude, Helluva Writer of the Month, Glenn.

    I speak of course as a person with out any credentials, but if I had even one credential, I would place it prominently on my credenza, where I could only hope it would lend credence to my cred, street or other wise.

    And now back to the outrage . . . .

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  29. Anonymous8:27 PM

    It's vastly amusing to all non-leftists to see the 80% left/liberal media being attacked by far-left bloggers. Sort of like seeing a cannibal being eaten by his children, who tell him "Hey, this is how you raised us!" as they feast on his entrails.

    This thread is perfectly exemplary of the lunatic left, complete with allegations 9/11 was an inside job, Bush stole the 2004 election, massive conservative conspiracies, and the dismissal of Cass Sunstein.


    Hi TallDave. I've seen you at sites like InDC Journal and usually agree with you. I'm no lefty.

    I, however, also diss Cass Sunstein, because he is operating from the stance of a pro-Executive partisan to defend an unwarranted -- deeply dangerous -- expansion of that branch's power.

    Does Glenn Greenwald strike you as a "far left blogger?" Hmmm.

    He did omit some salient reasons why Old Media hate the blogosphere, e.g., Rather's humiliation and poor Eason Jordan's fate. A whole bunch of smart folk fact-checking their imperial asses hasn't gone over too well.

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  30. Anonymous9:04 PM

    TallDave you are so boring. Stop trolling the internet. I see you everywhere, yet have never ever seen you say one thing worth reading. You are almost a parody.

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  31. Anonymous9:40 PM

    emptywheel makes a great point.

    Matt Stoller is right that there are some journalists who do like bloggers. One journalist,a former co-blogger of Matt's who knows Jay Rosen is Chris Lydon.

    His Radio Open Source uses bloggers as sources all the time, although he's interested in a much wider range of things than just politics. Tell him your favorite blogs, and if the writers can talk too, the may wind up on the air.

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  32. Anonymous10:26 PM

    The Problem with the Media has been outlined by Robert McChesney in his book of a similar title.
    When a few large companies started buying up all the smaller companies and becoming our only source of television and radio information and entertainment the problem festered to reveal what we have today.
    This happened at the same time the fairness doctrine in broadcasting was abolished.


    And was this book written in 1965?

    In a day and age of cable television, any ideology with enough base to support it either via donation or advertising can have a cable channel -- and they do. (Start the MoveOn Network, if you like.)And now there is the Internet, the ultimate free marketplace of ideas, if the feds and the UN keep their hands off of it.

    Free markets. What a concept.

    Free speech, as well, which is why the Fairness Doctrine should have been abolished. No one should be compelled to subsidize anyone else's speech, which is itself a violation of free speech rights.

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  33. Anonymous10:52 PM

    The book was written in 2004. Bill Moyers calls Bob McChesney "The Media Expert".

    Another good reason to doubt the book holds merit.

    Corporations are collections of individual human beings. Some of these collections band together for purposes of communicating information to the public. They ought not be foreced by the state to subsidize the speech of others; others can and should start their own cable stations, or their own blogs.

    Kos has the most trafficked blog. Should he be compelled to give space to tiny little right-wing bloggers? Should he have the right to disallow views he finds repugnant? What if he became Kos, Inc.? Does that change his rights?

    And I'm sure that you, who loves the book you describe, are in agreement with most things you read here. This site constantly links to or is linked to by Kos, Atrios, Digby and others on the left/far-left.

    Not all of us, however, who narrowly agree w/ Glenn on the NSA matter, are leftists.

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  34. Anonymous11:25 PM

    Moyers?

    You mean what's wrong with him other than he's a communist, pro labor union, marxist apologist?

    Did Moyers or this other guy complain about the power of big labor unions to take the forced dues money from people forced to join the union in order to be able to work and use it to fund speech they find repugnant? Do they oppose the use of union goons to break the arms of GOP campaign workers? Do they oppose the use of in kind (free labor) donations to political parties as being the forced speech paid for by dues money taken involuntarily from the unions members?

    That's why.

    Says the "Dog"

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  35. Anonymous11:41 PM

    Gale: That "Dog" person accuses Moyers of being a Communist, and that is absurd. (Being pro-union is not to be a Communist, and there are many examples of strong advocates for unions hating Communists. For example, Walter Reuther, who, among other union leaders, drove Communists from their ranks.) But it is the case that Moyers is very far to the left, and far-leftists are usually no friends of liberty.

    And Dog: I would appreciate it if you would never agree with me.

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  36. "...the journalistic orthodoxy... have to start making some... valid arguments instead of just shouting from a media mountaintop down to the poor huddled masses who can't talk back; until now anyway"

    That's really key. Commercial media once controlled the discussion (freedom of the press belongs to whoever gas the press, or soome such chestnut). There's resentment, and fear, over the change. The reason for resentment is obvious I guess, the reason for fear is, well, some of these bloggers are pretty good, and some of them have a readership far more loyal than the vast majority of writers. As Hypatia said, Glenn Reynolds is a fine guide. He inspires trust. Whether some reader looking at this trusts him or not is immaterial (hoping to head off the backlash here - may not work of course). The fact is, he has the trust of quite a number of people right now, built up over years of effort That's a commodity hard to come by.

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  37. My sincere apologies, I should have spell-checked my last entry.

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  38. Anonymous1:54 AM

    Furthermore, how obtuse of you to think that all the masses can afford cable or for that matter own a computer and be able to pay the bills.

    Actually Gale, there are few poorer than I am. I subsist on the pay of an "AmeriCorps Vista volunteer." With nothing in reserve.

    And I have cable -- albeit barely.

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  39. Anonymous2:26 AM

    Let's consult TNR's patron saint, Walter Lippmann:

    Expertness in any subject is, in fact, a multiplication of the number of aspects we are prepared to discover, plus the habit of discounting our expectations. Where to the ignoramus all things look alike, and life is just one thing after another, to the specialist things are highly individual. For a chauffeur, an epicure, a connoisseur, a member of the President's cabinet, or a professor's wife, there are evident distinctions and qualities, not at all evident to the casual person who discusses automobiles, wines, old masters, Republicans, and college faculties.

    But in our public opinions few can be expert, while life is, as Mr. Bernard Shaw has made plain, so short. Those who are expert are so on only a few topics. Even among the expert soldiers, as we learned during the war, expert cavalrymen were not necessarily brilliant with trench-warfare and tanks. Indeed, sometimes a little expertness on a small topic may simply exaggerate our normal human habit of trying to squeeze into our stereotypes all that can be squeezed, and of casting into outer darkness that which does not fit.

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  40. Also posted at Ezra Klein's blog:

    What I found strange about Jason Zengerle's "who is this guy?" observation was how it obscured the kind of transparency I had in mind, which Jason found excessive, and impractical. I was asking about demands for more transparency that a select committee of Times people (reporters, editors, department heads) had recommended to Bill Keller. They were the Credibility Group, chaired by the standards editor Allan Siegal. The ideas in their report are New York Times ideas. So I reminded the newspaper what it said. Click here for the post in question.

    The Credibility Group said things like, “We fully accept that there are those who love to hate The Times. Though there may be no dissuading them, often there is value in engaging with more open-minded critics..." and I said things like: hooray. And: here, here.

    Zengerle writes about the impracticality of "Rosen’s transparency prescription" (I did have one) but not about the transparency prescription the Times had for itself, which is surely of more consequence. When twenty of Keller's best people told him we can't keep saying our work speaks for itself maybe they were wrong, or misguided, but they certainly had the credentials for saying it. Zengerle should have dealt with their ideas, instead of my credentials.

    Jay Rosen, www.pressthink.org

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  41. Anonymous3:09 AM

    Hypatia said:
    And Dog: I would appreciate it if you would never agree with me.


    I don't recall posting in this thread I agreed with you on something, so I find this comment a bit gratuitous.

    Sometimes, I do agree with what you write. Its not the majority of what you write that I agree with, but probably around 10% to 20% of the time. If that thought offends you, then I'm afraid you'll need to re-think your writing.

    If thine eyes offend thee, pluck them out.

    Says the "Dog"

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  42. Anonymous12:04 PM

    Jason Zengerle: no John Peter Zenger he.

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  43. Corporations are collections of individual human beings. Some of these collections band together for purposes of communicating information to the public. They ought not be foreced by the state to subsidize the speech of others; others can and should start their own cable stations, or their own blogs.

    I'm not a credentialed Corporate Lawyer, so my opinion may not hold water. However, if I'm wrong I'm sure some one here will set me straight.

    It's my understanding that as a matter of law Corporations are not "collections of individuals" but are given the status of a single individual. The Corporation isn't treated as a collection of interests but as a single, distinct interest. I believe this is one reason why Corporate liability doesn't extend to shareholders.

    While a shareholder may benefit or suffer from the malfeasance or negligence of a Corporation, they cannot be held liable for the Corporation's actions. That's the whole point of Corporations: to insulate the individual investor from the risks inherent in the marketplace.

    It's an interesting anomaly. A collective recognized and protected by the State in which all personal liability is disolved into a corporate individual. An extremely powerful tool.

    It's folly to pretend that the Corporation stands on an equal footing with the lone individual since the whole purpose of a Corporation is to raise its members to a position of superior advantage to that of the individual. Further, if the Corporate individual has rights and a legal existance distinct from its members and shareholders, it is disingenous to say that regulation of the former in any way transfers to the latter.

    If you think this sounds a bit nutty, I agree. Of course, I find most statist legal fictions to be nutty.

    Nevertheless, corporations are licensees of the state. As such they are subject to heightened regulation as well as to the advantages that acrue. To argue that this somehow undermines the individual liberties of those party to the corporate contract seems pretty breathtaking. Endorsing, as it does, the power of the State to bestow special privileges while simultaneously denying it the power to regulate those privileges.

    The avoidance of personal responsibility is the essence of the corporation. Buck passing, deniability and shameless sycophancy seem to be hallmarks of corporate culture. Qualities abundant in "credentialed" journalism as well.

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  44. Anonymous2:08 PM

    "What is always missing from these snide dismissals is any consideration of the merits of the actual argument. People in these journalistic clubs will always defend each other from outside attacks no matter the merits, because they believe in their souls that their inclusion in the club by itself proves that they are superior to those outside of it when it comes to assessing news events and forming thoughts and opinions on them."

    This is exactly the kind of behaviour that Jay Rosen himself and his lackeys engage in over at his website. I know because I have posted there and the arrogance is appalling. The blind mocking the blind...

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