Having said that, the fact that we were able to obtain access to high-level staffers in the days before these hearings is an encouraging reflection of the growing recognition that the blogosphere is something they cannot ignore or simply use for their benefit, but instead is a substantive and genuine (and growing) force that needs to be recognized, respected and taken seriously. I think we need to look at this as a mid-range project, not something that will yield immediate, overnight results. We've had lots of successes in the past several weeks, with multiple episodes, in having a real impact on the establishment media and even what happens in DC. But it's going to be an incremental process.
There is a substantial misperception about what the blogosphere is. Most people who don't read blogs regularly (and that is still the case for the overwhelming majority of people, even in journalism and national politics) basically see the blogosphere as being one big online Rush Limbaugh Show -- nothing but uninformed, ignorant, irresponsible, angry populist ranting by the dumb, dirty masses. The more exposure people have to blogs and bloggers, the more that perception will breakdown, because the reality, as people in the blogosphere know, is the opposite -- the discussions, analysis and even reporting in the blogosphere is at a much higher and more substantive level than that which takes place in what they consider to be the "respectable media" venues.
Specifically as to the NSA issue, Monday is only the first day and Gonzales (who will be under oath) is only the first witness (Senate Democrats are essentially unanimous that additional witnesses -- perhaps Comey, Ashcroft, Yoo and others -- need to testify, and Gonzales will likely have to come back both because they won't be done questioning him and because additional documents will likely be released by the Justice Department which they are currently trying to withhold). We should be able to build on the access and contacts we created this time by obtaining even more influential access for the coming days of testimony (I say "we" not in the royal sense, but because the meetings I had were enabled by the work of numerous bloggers and inside-DC types who want to help the blogosphere gain more access and influence).
Regarding the hearings themselves, I have a lot of trepidation about what will happen on Monday, to be honest. Democrats are clearly scared of this issue. They believe that Republicans are going to accuse them of "wanting to give Al Qaeda our playbook" (a phrase several different people used independently) and that those tactics will work to obscure the real issues here. They seem -- at least to me -- to be more frightened than impassioned, more worried about how to avoid looking like Al Qaeda allies than how to question Gonzales in order to prove that the Administration here broke the law and that it is intolerable for the President to break the law.
They are both clearly right and clearly wrong about all of this. They are clearly right that Republicans are going to attempt this. It's already beginning with the full-fledged, coordinated exploitation of terrorism for political gain which Republicans have continuously relied upon since 9/11.
Here is the Vice President on right-wing talk radio making one of the most repugnant and dishonest statements I have heard in some time -- all for the purpose of smearing those who believe that it's wrong for the President to break the law (by, in essence, accusing them of treason) and intimidating anyone who may in the future consider exposing other illegality by the Administration:
With Congress preparing to plunge into a hearing focused exclusively on the warrantless wiretapping, Vice President Dick Cheney said exposing the effort has done ''enormous damage to our national security.'' The New York Times revealed the program's existence in December.
''It, obviously, reveals techniques and sources and methods that are important to try to protect,'' Cheney said. ''It gives information to our enemies about how we go about collecting intelligence against them. It also raises questions in the minds of other intelligence services about whether or not they can work with the United States intelligence service, with our CIA, for example, if we can't keep a secret.''
Cheney said he agreed with CIA Director Porter Goss, who told a Senate hearing on Thursday that such leaks are undercutting U.S. intelligence efforts. ''I thought Director Goss was rather restrained in his comments, but he was absolutely correct,'' said Cheney.
Cheney's remarks came in a radio interview with conservative talk show host Laura Ingraham.
The comments by Goss which Cheney said were "rather restrained" were these:
CIA Director Porter Goss told lawmakers this week that recent disclosures about sensitive programs were severely damaging, and he urged prosecutors to impanel a grand jury to determine ''who is leaking this information.'' The National Security Agency earlier asked the Justice Department to open a formal leaks investigation over press reports of its terrorism wiretaps.
So, to recap: right as the investigation is about to begin into the President's law-breaking, the Vice President goes on talk radio and accuses those responsible for disclosure of this law-breaking (including The New York Times) of causing ''enormous damage to our national security." The Director of the CIA then urges that those responsible for disclosing the President's illegal conduct be criminally prosecuted by the Justice Department (which is controlled by the President's slavishly loyal political appointees), and the Vice President says that, if anything, the CIA Director's comments were too restrained (should he have called for them to be summarily hung?).
This is thuggish behavior of the worst sort. Intimidating and threatening people who expose wrongdoing and illegality are the hallmarks of street gangs and military juntas. The idea that anything meaningful was disclosed when we learned that our Government is eavesdropping without judicial oversight and approval (rather than with it) has always been frivolous on its face. But the statement from Cheney that this disclosure caused ''enormous damage to our national security" is dishonest trash, transparently intended -- on the eve of the NSA hearings -- to stir up populist rage against anyone who blows the whistle on misconduct by the Administration and to intimidate other potential whistle-blowers with threats of criminal prosecution and treason accusations from the highest levels of our government.
Disturbingly, all of this has an effect, even -- perhaps especially -- on the Democrats in the Senate. They are not foaming at the mouth with anticipation for these hearings to be begin. They are approaching it with trepidation and concern about being depicted, yet again, as allies of Al Qaeda -- not just by the boundlessly dishonest and propagandizing Administration, but also by our "neutral" press which fails to convey the actual issues raised by this scandal, and which continues to propagate the false debate that this is about whether we should be eavesdropping on Al Qaeda.
Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised on Monday and will see some aggressive and meaningful questioning from Senators from both parties who understand that one of their most central constitutional duties is to serve as a check on excesses by the Executive Branch. It was the Senate which was continuously deceived about eavesdropping by the Administration, humiliated into believing that the laws they passed were actually being obeyed rather than ignored, and now face a President who literally claims the right to take action without what he calls "interference" from the Congress. If this assault on the basic principles of our government isn't enough to spur them into meaningful action, their own basic dignity ought to be.
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteThis is going nowhere for the reasons you mentioned. The Democrats are gutless, and the news media essentially give us one of two responses: either they agree with the Bush as King approach to government, or they are agnostic about the legalities of the issue but worship Bush for his manly way of sticking it to the Democrats and the wussy liberals. Either way they slavishly admire how he is protecting Americans from the evildoers. And either way, the Democrats will lose, and the stupid and/or gullible American people will buy the con.
Five years of Bush, Cheney, and Rove have proven time and time again that the Republicans have the upper hand on national security issues because the Democrats are afraid to challenge them. The Democrats were courageous and aggressive about the hijacking of Social Security and Bush lost. But the Democrats are timid little creatures about terrorism, the war, and national security in general. That will be a formula for disaster.
The American public is looking to be led on this issue. The time is right to put the Republicans in their place. But it's obvious that the media won't do it. And without the Democrats to lead the way -- to fulfill its role as an opposition party -- nothing is going to happen.
As an aside, I was watching a rerun of a Lewis Black comedy show on HBO last night. He was making fun of the color-coded alerts. And I was thinking, we haven't had an alert since before the 2004 election. No one has said anything about it. The public, the media, and the Democrats have just accepted that the administration cynically kept the alerts up for crass political reasons. Yet, nobody complains.
With the Democrats as our only hope to stopping the Republicans, we are well and truly fucked.
Thanks for listening.
I've asked this elsewhere, but since you've been talking to the DC people, I'm going to ask you too: do you have any sense of why Democrats on the Hill take what the inside-the-beltway press and consultants tell them (and each other) so seriously and so uncritically?
ReplyDeleteAs you know, this set of perceptions has only the most limited contact with the reality of public opinion outside the Beltway. The only remaining true "Red" state is Utah. Normal people, non-political-junkie people, are unhappy about executive-branch lawlessness. Pitched correctly, this isn't a losing issue for Democrats.
It all reminds me of the Lewinsky nonsense, where by the end the insider press corps was running little roundtables where they asked each other why, when everybody inside DC understood that Clinton was evil and that this was very important, public opinion was still on his side -- and where despite the fact that the insider DC culture did know that as a technical matter, they were obviously completely unable to internalize it and believe it.
With the result that in 2000 Democrats ran screaming from one of the most popular politicians the party had. We'll never know whether things would have turned out differently if they'd chosen to embrace Clinton rather than to run from him. (And of course, we'll also never know whether we'd even have had a September 11, 2001 if inside-the-Beltway opinion hadn't gotten in the way when Clinton was trying to go after al Quaeda in the late 90s.)
If Democrats on the Hill can't actually represent their constituents because they can't break this cognitive barrier, the whole party's in deep trouble. Not that I'm saying anything here you don't already know; but why is that barrier as impregnable as it apparently is? And what the hell do we do about it?
Well, that is very disheartening news. It makes me sick on top of what is going on over at The Corner.
ReplyDeleteThe shilling for Bush continues apace, with Andy McCarthy addressing one of the signatories to the 2/2 Letter of Fourteen that included as signatories Bill Sessions and Richard Epstein. McCarthy doesn't tell you they signed it. No, he focuses on Walter Dellinger, and purports to find that what Dellinger argued when he was in the Clinton Admin is inconsistent with the contents of the 2/2 letter.
It isn't.
Further, later McCarthy quotes a 2000 Clinton DoJ opinion that is also unexceptionable. NOBODY (that I've seen)is disagreeing that, as that 2000 letter says, in rare circumstances the President may have to violate an otherwise operative statute to effect his duties in the national security realm. But that opinion advises that great caution is necessary, and this theory must only apply in genuinely unusual and rare circumstances. The months after 9/11 certainly were that. But that 2000 opinion does not remotely argue that the President may institutionalize an ongoing violation of a criminal statute.
At least McCarthy is now out in the open. Before, we were hearing that Bush was complying with FISA on its face. Then it was said the AUMF put him in compliance with it. (All of that was bullshit.) Now, McCarthy is boldly claiming Bush can and should ignore FISA because it is allegedly unconstitutional. (Bullshit, round three.)
It isn't, and would not be found to be so should this matter make it to the S. Ct. That's why men like Sessions and Epstein signed the 2/2 Letter. (Not, again, that Corner readers would know that.)
George Bush repeatedly, through his agents, assured Congress he was complying with FISA, and that no further amendments to it were necessary. That is, he lied to Congress. Now, his minions are saying Bush is justified in simply ignoring a duly enacted law of Congress.
But it seems the Senate is disinclined to defend congressional authority and the law in the hearings next week.
Are there not enough GOP statesmen, like Sessions, who can give the Democrats cover in the matter of Adminisration attempts to depict them as helping Al Qaeda?!
UNITED STATES, Petitioner v. UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR the EASTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN, SOUTHERNDIVISION, et al.; Lawrence Robert 'Pun' PLAMONDON et al., Real Parties inInterest.
ReplyDelete407 U.S. 297, 92 S.Ct. 2125, 32 L.Ed.2d 752
In response to the defendants' pretrial motion for disclosure of electronic surveillance information, the Government filed an affidavit of the Attorney General stating that he had approved the wiretaps for the purpose of 'gather(ing) intelligence information deemed necessary to protect the nation from attempts of domestic organizations to attack and subvert the existing structure of the Government.' On the basis of the affidavit and surveillance logs (filed in a sealed exhibit), the Government claimed that the surveillances, though warrantless, were lawful as a reasonable exercise of presidential power to protect the national security.
SCOTUS rejected (AG John ) Mitchell's position 8-0 with J. Rhenquist abstaining. 6 justices signed on to Justice Powell's decision with CJ Burger concuring (without a written separate opinion), J. Douglas joining and concuring and J. White Concurring separately.
Bottom Line: 8 Justices rejected warrantless wiretaps in the name of national security. Have Abu square that with what Bushie is doing!
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteWhile you are there in DC, have you tried reaching out to any of the conservatives who are also disturbed by the NSA warrantless tapping?
I'm thinking in particular of Brownback and Graham. Some of the details and executive self-contradictions you've raised might be of interest to their staffers as well.
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For all of Bill Clinton's faults, one of his greatest gifts was talking over the heads of the corporate media and directly to the people. He challenged the right-wing assumptions of media storylines on a constant basis.
ReplyDeleteWhy can't dem politicans take a page from his book and use every opportunity to do this?
If each and every one of them could use their face time on television to challenge the meme of "terrorist surveillance program" over and over and over again, they might have the same success as Clinton.
Glenn, your post just reinforces the suspicion that dems have instead internalized the Administrations attacks via the media and are desperately trying to avoid yet more attacks.
Btw, thanks for letting us know that Gonzales will be under oath.
Dear Glenn,
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for representing all of us in your meetings with our (so called) representatives and their staffs. It is only through the efforts of committed people like you and our blogger community that we even have the chance to be heard.
I am angry beyond belief at the desecration of our military, our democratic institutions, our values, and our Constitution, by these thugs claiming the mantle of patriotism whilst, perhaps irretrievably, tarnishing our national honor.
True patriotism is defined by the actions of people like yourself and Atrios,Digby, Kos, FDL, (and countless other bloggers and their readers in the progressive movement) who tirelessly speak truth to power in a battle that is frustrating, disheartening, and often seems unwinnable.I am certain that there are many days where your energy to continue working and fighting must flag and the task of taking back our country seem impossible, but I hope that you,and all of us, will not give up, because I truly believe we are fighting for the soul of our nation.
Thank you.
Respectfully
WE ARE THE ONES who can give the Democrats the guts they need to do a good job at the hearings. We should send letters to every single senator, republican and democrat, refuting these filthy lies and telling them we aren't going to take it anymore. We've had it with the smear machine. The Republicans are bullies. We have got to stand up to them. If our representatives don't know how to do it, we do. Evidently senators lose their memories of school cafeteria politics sooner then regular people. We have got to stand up to the bullies as of NOW so these hearings aren't lost.
ReplyDeleteUse these words from Glenn's post: Intimidating and threatening the people who expose wrongdoing and illegality are the hallmarks of street gangs and military juntas. The idea that anything meaningful was disclosed when we learned that our Government is eavesdropping without judicial oversight and approval has always been frivolous on its face. But the statement from Cheney that this disclosure caused ''enormous" damage to our national security" is dishonest trash, transparently intended -- on the eve of the NSA hearings -- to stir up populist rage against anyone who blows the whistle on misconduct by the Administration and to intimidate other potential whistle-blowers with threats of criminal prosecution and treason accusations from the highest levels of our government. We need aggressive and meaningful questioning from Senators from both parties who understand that one of their most central constitutional duties is to serve as a check on excesses by the Executive Branch. It was the Senate which was continuously deceived about eavesdropping by the Administration, humiliated into believing that the laws they passed were actually being obeyed rather than ignored, and now face a President who literally claims the right to take action without what he calls "interference" from the Congress.
The FBI refuted the government's claim that these taps were useful. They gnerated to no leads that the FBI didn't already have.
They could not have stopped 9/11. Those phone calls were recorded but they weren't translated until 9/12. That's in the public record.
Write your Senator, your newspaper, your TV network, NOW. The swift-boating has got to stop and we are the ones who have to stop it.
Google US Senate to find their addresses. Fax is the most efficient way to get through. Please fight!
It seems to me that the Democrats need to call a spade a spade and expose the administration's "anti-patriotic" strawman for what it is. I can understand their trepidation to be seen as weak on terror - but I cannot understand their blind acceptance of the dichotomies that the Bush administration and the media have created. When will the Democrats stop allowing the administration to frame the debate? Instead of merely saying that they agree that we need comprehensive intelligence gathering, but disagree on the methods why do they not say that the administration is creating strawmen because they have no hope of defending their position otherwise (i.e., in a legitimate debate or fact finding inquiry)? I'm not saying that the Democrats should respond to stone throwing by throwing stones back - ultimately the goal of their comments should be to get down the the substantive issue without the intervention of campaign style politics. However, that cannot and will not happen if they play on a field that was created by administration rhetoric. The framing makes the argument. Expose it for what it is.
ReplyDeleteCount me as one more person who long ago gave up trying to understand why at least one Democrat doesn't call Cheney's utterings for what they are: "bullshit".
ReplyDeleteWHY aren't Democrats on talk radio countering with Bush's leaks???
ReplyDeleteI just want to repeat what anonymous said:
ReplyDeleteWE ARE THE ONES who can give the Democrats the guts they need to do a good job at the hearings. We should send letters to every single senator, republican and democrat, refuting these filthy lies and telling them we aren't going to take it anymore. We've had it with the smear machine. The Republicans are bullies. We have got to stand up to them. If our representatives don't know how to do it, we do. Evidently senators lose their memories of school cafeteria politics sooner then regular people. We have got to stand up to the bullies as of NOW so these hearings aren't lost.
Please act!
Hearing your take on the Dems being worried about taking on Bush over this issue, Glenn, I'm reminded of the recent quote attributed to Grover Norquist:
ReplyDelete"Once the minority of House and Senate are comfortable in their minority status, they will have no problem socializing with the Republicans. Any farmer will tell you that certain animals run around and are unpleasant, but when they've been fixed, then they are happy and sedate. They are contented and cheerful. They don't go around peeing on the furniture and such."
As shocking and demeaning is, if our Dems are not filled with righteous indignation and outrage over this usurption (sp?) of power, then, well, the shoe fits.
Where, oh, where have all the patriots gone?
Glenn, thanks so much for all the work youve done over the past months. Ive learned more about all of these issues from your blog than from all the newspapers and tv shows combined,and I bet Im not the only one.
ReplyDeleteI read on FDL that you're funding all of this, the trip, etc. yourself. You should do a fundraiser or give us a way to donate to help defray your expenses. Your doing this for all of us and you should at least let us help.
Thanks again. you are a real patriot. It's the people who don't run around calling themsleves that who usually are.
Troy - Glenn has a "make a donation" link just under the Recent Posts list. ;-)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1156499,00.html
ReplyDeleteThe administration "gave" Time magazine documents outlining Gonzales' answers or types of answers we are likely to hear from him on Monday.
I just wrote the journalist who wrote the article and thanked him for his court stenography for the Administration and asked whether perhaps he thought that he had any responsibility to make the article a bit more balanced and whether he thought the administration might have had an AGENDA when they gave Time the documents and whether Time then had a bit of a responsibility to cover the issue in a bit more depth.
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteMy fax to Sen. Schumer
Sen. Schumer,
Re: The upcoming Senate Judiciary hearings on Domestic Spying this Monday.
I believe you or one of your collegues said that without a witness list and subpeona power, the upcomong Senate Judiciary hearings were "pointless."
That's the wrong approach Mr. Senator.
Let the Dems very pulicly make the point that the White House is stonewalling and then make all the other points about the illegal spying going on - throw every supposition at Gonzales, grab some headlines, get sensational, make news:
Let the Dems ask:
Are you spying on the president's political and personal enemies?
Do you wiretap very personal and private conversations and e-mail correspondences between Americans?
Do you spy on corporations to get insider information?
Is'nt identity theft a real concern for all Americans given transactions that occur over the phone and online with credit card and banking information.
Has'nt the government become a Peeping Tom?
Why not use FISA unless something illegal is going on?
The canard that you are trying to push that FISA is inadequate today is patently untrue, correct?
Has'nt the massive data mining of information overburdened the system and made it less effective?
Sen.Schumer:"This sounds much worse than Watergate to me."
The Dems need to make up some new rules of their own and not just capitulate to the stonewalling of the administration. They need to think out of the box, to drum up speculation, to accuse,to alert average Americans that they too are being spied on in personal private ways - then make the Repubs deny.
contact the committee members:
http://judiciary.senate.gov/....
JG - New York
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteWhat's most frightening about the attitude you describe among Senate Democrats is that none of them seem to see that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, i.e. that the only way to look good here is to take a tough stance with the administration, and that if they go soft on Gonzales, etc., they really will look like the party with no backbone that wants to coddle terrorists, etc.
Thanks so much for your work in this. It really is making a difference, I suspect.
maybe there is some hope Republicans like Specter will take the illegal surveillance seriously. Specter and a few other Republicans have made comments suggesting they understand FISA was violated. I wish I didn't have to count on this probably remote hope, but given the lackluster Dems, what else can I do? they seem to be afraid of their own shadows
ReplyDeleteMore Cheney and a heads-up on Gonzales defense:
ReplyDeleteCheney's also giving an extended interview on the Leher Newshour Tuesday night. They only roll him out when they need the big gun.
Time has this How Gonzales Plans to Defend Eavesdropping which might give you all some ideas.
Do us a favor and tell the staffers and senators that we're scared too. We're scared of what's going to happen when congress completely abdicates its responsibilites. They took an oath, now it's time to risk their careers and do the right thing.
In the Name of the King, and His Media Court:
ReplyDelete"Ye Democrats shall BOW DOWN, and grovel at the feet of your King and Conqueror, lest ye lose your hea - er that is, your Senate SEATS, three years, or five years hence..."
Democrats: Do you care if you lose your Senate seat in a collapsed and shattered economy, overseen by a tinpot dictatorship led by College Republican Clones and motormouth mobsters, with the citizen subjects of the Nation too desperate to do anything but beg for bread?? Because in three or five years (or less), that looks to me (and to a lot of other informed Americans) to be exactly where this country and its "democracy" is headed. And YOU will have all the glory of helping to bring us to that state, if only by being "along for the ride," if you still remain "safely" in office. Scary thought?
Then, what, exactly are you "afraid of" on Monday? I know our federal government is allergic to long-term thinking, or planning, or action. But you can't erase the laws of physics, and long-term consequences still exist for every petty self-serving decision you make today. So please TRY to think beyond this week, this month, this (election) year.
Because if you do, you will not give a DAMN if you lose your seat, and go down in flames, for TRYING TO SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION. Will you? Not if you have a conscience. And our Constitution itself really, truly, honestly, no kidding, on your oaths of office IS what is on the line on Monday. And almost every day now, in fact, the actions, or lack thereof, taken by our elected representatives in the Legislative Branch of government are making it a longer and more difficult road to travel to restore the U.S. Government of laws and not men, that our Founders so wisely planned and forged for us WITH THEIR LIVES. If you cannot yet restore it, you can at least do everything in your power to resist its further destruction.
NO Senator's seat in office should be considered too "precious" to give for one's country, should it???
Senator Russ Feingold, for one, knows that our Constitution, and therefore the liberty of every American, is on the line. "Pre-1776 Mentality" says it all. And he said it. What I'm saying is:
Show a little of that "Spirit of 1776" yourselves, United States Senators. And if you WON'T, or you CAN'T, then please, please, please do us ALL a favor, and resign from office to give someone who WILL fight to defend us from tyranny a chance to do so.
Midnightride:
ReplyDeleteHere, Here!!!!
Two points: What is the "enormous damage" being done to our prosecutorial efforts by the government collecting evidence that cannot be used; i.e. the Poisoned Tree business? Second: Right-wing media will always be with Democrats. It's anecdote is the exploding progressive blogosphere. Everyone is saying it: Go for it guys. Even if it fails ala the Scalito filibuster, the folks who count, your supporters are happy. In other words, play to the base for a change and for comfort, look to the polls and monitor the progressive blogs.
ReplyDeleteYou may think this is a silly comment, but I am dead serious considering all the ways that the Bushies have trashed the Constitution. I can’t help thinking that some how, they will find a way to circumvent the 22nd amendment. What good will it be if all the power they are working so diligently to acquire was to be lost in the next presidential election - maybe even to a democrat. I bet the wheels are turning right now on ways to retain power beyond the year 2008.
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ReplyDeleteI hate to break it to you-
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:
If Neal Katyal hadn't already commandeered exclusive status as my hero, you would be my hero. Seriously.
ReplyDeletePeople like you, Marty Lederman, and Charles Swift are the reason I haven't totally lost hope in this country.
Keep up the good work, for all our sakes.
I can’t help thinking that some how, they will find a way to circumvent the 22nd amendment.
ReplyDeleteThey don't have to.
Reflect upon the fact that Jared doesn't own subway, he just does their commercials.
For Bush, it's all about Him.
ReplyDeleteGo to the link I provided.
I just donated $50 bucks. I think you've earned it a hundred times over.
ReplyDeleteHi, Glenn, I join my voice to many of those here in appreciation of your work to evolve a populist and pragmatic solution and way of framing the concerns which prompted the Judiciary Committee to call AG Gonzales and others to the hearing next week.
ReplyDeleteIn discussing technical issues on another website with people who want to address the division of powers issues, while in agreement with their concerns, and yours, I thought other approaches are required.
During one chat on that website I developed what is likely to be similar to one suggestion Senate Judiciary Committee will like, and might forward as part of its report when the hearings outcome are reported to the full Senate:
The executive authority to act and then consult is fairly well established.
However, the protracted time AG Gonzales has counseled the President to skip FISA is creating too much constitutional tension. Ours is a supple constitution, but, as you observe, many Senators and others are complaining loudly about this strain and want to face some simple and promising answers.
My suggestion for modernizing FISC is to put a lot of its 72-hour turnaround time requirements into software which runs as fast as NSA or FBI computers; Now, a word of caution is in order: real people will have to review these rubberstamp approvals of warrants.
What I see happening is the security agencies have the computer power to accomplish the task quickly, but their effort, too, also is based in software design: they have to design the filters and profiles; examine the skimmed likely culprit mined-data; revisit the subjects in finer detail. It is a many phase process.
Somehow the profiles and filters used, as well as the actual mined data, could go to other agencies for vetting. We know the FBI has been overloaded with assignments to check background on likely finds in the datamining; but we do not know what the checks and balances are on the actual filter designs, whether the filters are archived for later review outside the agency: such as by the congressional intelligence committees.
Besides creating many levels of safeguarding citizens' privacy, we should create protections for the State Department so the datamining filters are not used to generate political profiles of State Department employees or their consultants without oversight by some watchdog agency as well as by congress.
People for the American Way provides the following telephone and fax numbers for the members of the Judiciary Committee. I would hope they're up-to-date, but I haven't tried them all, so I can't be sure.
ReplyDeleteArlen Specter R-PA
Chairman
Tel: (202) 224-4254
Fax: (202) 228-1229
Patrick J. Leahy D-VT
Ranking Democratic Member
Tel: (202) 224-4242
Fax: (202) 224-3479
Orrin G Hatch R-UT
Tel: (202) 224-5251
Fax: (202) 224-6331
Charles E. Grassley R-IA
Tel: (202)224-3744
Fax: (202) 224-6020
Jon Kyl R-AZ
Tel: (202) 224-4521
Fax (202) 224-2207
Mike DeWine R-OH
Tel: (202) 224-2315
Fax (202) 224-6519
Jeff Sessions R-AL
Tel: (202) 224-4124
Fax: (202) 224-3149
Lindsey Graham R-SC
Tel: (202) 224-5972
Fax: (202) 224-3808
John Cornyn R-TX
Tel: (202) 224-2934
Fax: (202) 228-2856
Sam Brownback R-KS
Tel: (202) 224-6521
Fax: (202) 228-1265
Tom Coburn R-OK
Tel: (202) 224-5754
Fax: (202) 224-6008
Edward M. Kennedy D-MA
Tel: (202) 224-4543
Fax: (202) 224-2417
Joseph R. Biden, Jr. D-DE
Tel: (202) 224-5042
Fax: (202) 224-0139
Herbert Kohl D-WI
Tel: (202) 224-5653
Fax: (202) 224-9787
Dianne Feinstein D-CA
Tel: (202) 224-3841
Fax: (202) 228-3954
Russell D Feingold D-WI
Tel: (202) 224-5323
Fax: (202) 224-2725
Charles E. Schumer D-NY
Tel: (202) 224-6542
Fax: (202) 228-3027
Richard J. Durbin D-IL
Tel: (202) 224-2152
Fax: (202) 228-0400
To send an electronic message, you can use the Web form each member provides at his or her website. The websites can be accessed from the Member page of the Judiciary Committee's website.
I don't understand why Democrats are not using the phrase "checks and balances" every time this subject comes up. It should be at least as pervasive as "up or down vote" or "cut and run".
ReplyDeleteI am all but resigned to the Dems behaving as they ALWAYS do over the last 20 years or so: cave in and fall down. Go along to get along. Don't make waves.
ReplyDeleteMAYBE they will surprise me but I am not confident. They, like the vast majority of GOP voters, consistently go against their own best interests as well as the interests of the country as a whole. Constitution? Nice idea and all but it isn't politic or convenient.
"They believe that Republicans are going to accuse them of "wanting to give Al Qaeda our playbook" (a phrase several different people used independently) and that those tactics will work to obscure the real issues here."
ReplyDeleteMakes me wonder what their internal polling data is telling them.....
I'm reminded what Ed Koch, who came out for Bush in the last election said about it, "I'm for Bush because the Democrats don't have the stomach for war."
The security issue is the only issue that the Administration has now but I think some of the issues brought up on this blog has given the Dems a way to push back on it.
First, get the war in context. If you've read Sen. Roberts' Reply to Dean, it's easy to see how he is trying to tie it to war effort in history. The President is trying to govern on the fear of terrorism, that hasn't prepared the nation for "war." Get real about what war exactly is.
Second, simply tell it like it is: this wouldn't be an issue if the President was square on it. And by not being square on it, the President has hurt the war effort. No one would know about FISA if the WH was square.
I would think that the Constitutional issue is all for the Dems, all they have to do is simply throw the Clinton Impeachment statements all the Republicans made back at them. So much for wrapping themselves in the Constitution for a very partisan thing. And the public knew that the impeachment was a partisan thing.
What is the saying, "A Democracy gets the kind of government it deserves." If the opposition can't get it together enough to challenge they are accomplices in this.
I've started a blog:
jameskarkoski.blogspot.
and just posted something about my feelings on Roberts' reply. I know it looks like crap, but I hope you'll read.
Doubtless you know this passage from Milligan, but I think this sentence of it would make a great opening statement:
ReplyDelete"Time has proven the discernment of our ancestors; for even these provisions [referring to the Bill of Rights], expressed in such plain English words, that it would seem the ingenuity of man could not evade them, are now, after the lapse of more than seventy years, sought to be avoided."
Thanks again for your work.I wish I could ask the Democratic (and Republican!) staffers in this moment of choice: are they the English Parliament of 1688, or the Russian Duma of 1917? It's up to them.
Glenn:
ReplyDeleteI really appreciate your efforts to engage Senate staffers on this issue. It is a sad yet completely realistic assessment that the Dems are afraid of the NSA scandal. This is in part because they have repeatedly lost the message war as it concerns anything on terror.
The Dems need to know that there is a very large segment of the population that support the efforts to get the administration to come clean. The more vocal we are the the more support they will feel. I would hope that the senators questioning Gonzales stay very focused on the critical point of this debate: that wiretaps of Americans outside the scope of FISA is ILLEGAL. PERIOD.
Gonzales will do his best to filibuster this point but no ground should be given about the "damage to national security" red herring. Let the wingnut bedwetters worry about that.
Some very pointed prosecutorial questioning needs to occur throughout these hearings. I hope the Democratic senators come through in this regard.
Senate Select Committee Hearings, THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY AND FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS, October 29 and November 6, 1975
ReplyDeleteSenator MONDALE. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
General Allen, I would like to say for the record that I think that the work of the NSA and the performance of your staff and yourself before the committee is perhaps the most impressive presentation that we have had. And I consider your Agency and your work to be possibly the most single important source of intelligence for this Nation. Indeed, so much so that I am not convinced that we fully perceived the revolution that has occurred in recent years in intelligence gathering as a result of technological breakthroughs, and it is your agency which basically deals with that area. But it is that most impressive capacity which works so often for the purposes of defending this country and informing it that also scares me in terms of its possible abuse. That is why I am interested in knowing what limitations exist, in your opinion, upon its use that could be described as an abuse of the legal rights of American citizens. As I understand your testimony, you limit yourself to the interception of communications between -- either to or from -- a foreign terminal and one in the United States. You do not intercept messages to and from persons within the United States.
General ALLEN. That is correct, sir.
Senator MONDALE. But I also understand that this is a matter of policy and not of law, that the basis for this limitation is a judgment on the part of our Government that that ought to be as far as you go. There is not, in your judgment, or in the judgment of the Agency, a restriction that would limit you precisely to those policy guidelines that you now have.
General ALLEN. Well, I believe that is correct, sir, as far as the precise restriction is concerned. But there is no misunderstanding with regard to the executive directives that exist, the restriction is to foreign intelligence purposes and foreign communications which are defined in some way.
Senator MONDALE. Given another day and another President, another perceived risk, and someone breathing hot down the neck of the military leader then in charge of the NSA; demanding a review based on another watch list, another wide sweep to determine whether some of the domestic dissent is really foreign based, my concern is whether that pressure could be resisted on the basis of the law or not.
General ALLEN. Well, it is very hard for me, of course, to project into a future unknown situation. And there are certainly risks that seem to have occurred in the past. I can certainly assure you that at the present time, under any combination of the present players, as I understand the rules and the players themselves, there is no possibility of that.
Senator MONDALE. I will accept that. But what we have to deal with is whether this incredibly powerful and impressive institution that you head could be used by President "A" in the future to spy upon the American people, to chill and interrupt political dissent. And it is my impression that the present condition of the law makes that entirely possible. And therefore we need to, in my opinion, very carefully define the law, spell it out so that it is clear what your authority is and it is also clear what your authority is not. Do you object to that?
General ALLEN. No, sir.
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Then Congress said, let there be FISA.
Here's what scares me: The program is good and the law is bad, so FISA will be fixed. We'll never know the extent to which Americans with nothing to hide were spied on. Bush will get away with breaking the law. Life goes on.
I heard the end of an NPR interview Friday w/ a reporter who will be following the NSA Hearings and he (never caught name) spoke of the Church Hearings pre- FISA. Western Union was delivering copies of all telegrams to federal agencies-Church et al subpoened the CEO's of WU and other corporations who'd cooperated w/ Feds on warrantless violations of privacy, and though Executive tried to claim executive priviledge/nat'l security to exempt CEO's they finally gavee up. This reporter stated he felt the NSA Hearings would go nowhere unless the latter example was followed, and the CEO's of the telecoms are commanded to appear and testify. This seems like a useful approach and I'm not certain it's being discussed?
ReplyDeleteThank youfor your invaluable work to defend us from this threat to our system of gov't and way of life.
The Dems desperately need to take the offensive on national security. On Osama, Bush has gone from "Wanted, Dead or Alive" to "he's not important anymore," and now he's re-elevated him to boogeyman status. Meanwhile, he's so serious about protecting us against the terrorists that he didn't demand chemical plants to increase their security because his chums in the industry told Rove they didn't want more regulation. And Iraq, of course, has done nothing but generate new terrorists.
ReplyDeleteIt's scary that they aren't willing to take on the Bush national security record, given just how appallingly bad it is.
But thanks, Glenn, for giving us this window into what they're thinking, and why they are the way they are.
Gotta say, it makes this good librul want to cry.
Your optimism is admirable but I really don't expect ANYTHING to happen at the hearings this week. These people (R & D's alike) are all too full of themselves to care one whit about America, its people and democracy. Like the 9/11 Commission, this one will also be full of sound and (fake) fury, signifying nothing. If you watched the Negreponte & Goss Show last week (deflect & evade), expect more of the same.
ReplyDeleteIt really is hopeless at this point. It was a silent coup. Mission accomplished (not *that* one).
It is time to end the fact finding and debates, and compel this Congress to vote on Articles of Impeachment. All we hear is non-sense. These are excuses by people who have violated the law. Congress shows no inclination to call this what it is: Open rebellion against the Constitution. This is what must be done.
ReplyDeleteArlen Specter says Bush is in flat violation of FISA, and that the Administration's legal theories in defense of the warrantless eavesdropping are strained and unrealistic.
ReplyDeleteIf I have my timetable correct, the NY Times was going to publish this story in October of 2004 but held it back at the request of the administration. Therefore, the administration had known for over a year before it was finally published that the Times reporters had sources in the NSA and elsewhere. Why are they only now calling for an investigation into these sources and making allegations about harm to national security? Why didn't they nail these sources back then?
ReplyDeleteThe dog that didn't bark and all....
(BTW, we all know the answer to my question, don't we?)
The idea that anything meaningful was disclosed when we learned that our Government is eavesdropping without judicial oversight and approval (rather than with it) has always been frivolous on its face.
ReplyDeleteIt is amazing to see otherwise-intelligent people characterize the issue this way.
It is just wrong to pretend that the only thing people learned is, "The NSA is doing the same thing as always, but without a warrant."
That's not the case at all. Rather, what we have learned is something more like this:
"The NSA is using innovative data-mining techniques (possibly monitoring traffic routed through US switches), and it is doing so without a warrant."
Try really hard to focus on the first part of that sentence, because it is THAT disclosure that harms national security.
And guess what: You don't get a free pass to disclose national security secrets because you don't like what the government was doing. That's exactly the excuse used about Plame (i.e., it was nepotism and CIA incompetence, and deserved to be disclosed).