Jane Hamsher just posted some initial thoughts which she and I have discussed concerning how the energy, vibrancy and desire for action which pervades the blogosphere can be translated and channeled into greater influence on actual events, beginning with the NSA scandal. We don't have some grandiose plan to unveil, but instead are attempting to find constructive methods for preliminarily coordinating some concerted action in order to explore what might be worthwhile.
I'll have a lot more to say about this tomorrow, and if you have thoughts or ideas after reading Jane's post, I strongly encourage you to write them here, over at Jane's blog, or by e-mailing them to me. We want to begin -- as a laboratory and to keep things manageable -- by focusing on six states that have particular significance in the NSA universe, primarily because they have important Republican Senators (importance either in terms of their ability to influence the Judiciary and/or Intelligence Committee investigations, the fact that they are wavering or otherwise worthy of being targeted, or because they are susceptible to re-election-based pressure). These are the six states with which we want to begin:
(1) Pennsylvania (Specter & Santorum)
(2) Kansas (Roberts & Brownback)
(3) Maine (Snowe & Collins)
(4) Nebraska (Hagel)
(5) South Carolina (Graham)
(6) Ohio (DeWine)
Recognizing the incomparable importance of events like today's impassioned editorial from the Wichita Eagle, we want to have whatever we do have some local nexus. National mass e-mailing campaigns and the like can have some effect, but far more effective, we think, is some genuine expression of belief from the citizens whom Senators actually represent, particularly in small states. We want whatever we do to have both a national and local component (Senators from large states with a national profile, such as Specter, can be the target of a more nationalized effort), but we'd like to have the effort be strongly localized.
So, if you are in any of those states or otherwise have helpful connections to it (even if it's just knowledge of things such as radio talk shows or newspaper editors or anything else that is helpful), or just if you're interested in participating in some way, please email Jane (JaneHamsher@FireDogLake.com).
I've left this whole discussion deliberately vague because we want to figure out exactly what we want to do and we would like input in figuring it out. At the same time, we want to take our first step or two quickly, because the events over the past few days demonstrate that this scandal is at a crossroad and we want to do what we can to ensure, as a first step, that there are meaningful investigations and hearings.
As I said, I will post a lot more specific substance over the next day or so, but in the meantime, please read Jane's post. And, I just want to add a couple of thoughts to what Jane just said.
I've become a vigorous believer in the notion that the blogosphere is a uniquely potent vehicle for large numbers of people to act in concert in a meaningful way. National political advocacy organizations and party-based entities are, by and large, useless. They have become stagnant, entrenched, obsolete old relics of the political wars of the 1980s and 1990s. Many people who stay in Washington too long lose their ear for anything outside of Washington, and many of them become satisfied with status quo perpetuation, because they are so comfortable with their little niche, even if it's a losing one. The blogosphere has really become the venue for vibrant, novel and impassioned action. I hope to find a way to spend as much time working on these matters as I can because I believe the effect they can have is limitless.
And none of this is predicated on the idea that Senators or other politicians only respond to re-election pressure. Several, if not most, of the above-listed Senators don't have strong re-election worries. But all individuals, including Senators, respond to a whole range of stimuli and are influenced by all sorts of different factors. Pat Roberts may not have re-election concerns, but nobody wants to be depicted as some mindless, malleable stooge who exists as an instrument to help others conceal their wrongdoing or who abdicates their duties in our government. People can be motivated by all sorts of influences ranging from shame and substantive persuasion to institutional power and appeals to what is necessary or healthy for our country.
I believe that, on some level, most people who have thought about these issues are disturbed by the radical theories of power which this Administration is attempting to install and that is why you see so many people, including many Republicans and conservatives, expressing serious opposition to what the Administration has done here even though they have nothing to gain politically or personally from doing so, and may even have much to lose.
Anyone who frequents the blogosphere knows that there is a good deal of agitation to do something to ensure that what we do here transcends the confines of mere interesting chatter and that we all find ways to have it have some effect on what actually happens. Most people agree on that. The challenge is to develop the approach that can achieve that. By starting to try different things, the idea is to start developing, through trial and error, an idea of how that can best be done.
Ive been reading the blogosphere for years and there is no question that if things are to happen, it will happen here. It is one of the only true citizen gathering places left. I'm very enthused to read you guys are trying stuff. Count me in! I live in Maine and will e-mail Jane.
ReplyDeleteDon't forget Santorum!
ReplyDeleteDon't forget Santorum!
ReplyDeleteThanks. I added him - he was one of the reasons we chose Pa. I forgot to include him.
OK. I'll bite. I'm in SC, I love your stuff and worship Jane and Reddhead. I also know that Graham is a reptile of the worst sort. What can we do with that slimy target? Remember, he is against torture but responsible for the bill that disallows habeas corpus to the torturees. How do you persuade such a fellow of anything?
ReplyDeleteCareful, we've been labeled the 'angry left' again, led by our 'mullah' Al Gore.
ReplyDeleteThis piece of shit-stink smearery is on CNN's internet "Breaking Headlines" list:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/20/tyrrell.algore/index.html?section=cnn_latest
I think in many ways this is a teachable moment, and so one way to get the public more involved is to explain it in ways not only accurate, but entertaining. Put out the information in easily digestible forms of media that have value added to them beyond simple desciption or argument. Incorporating something of an entertainment value to the public awareness can be powerful, think JibJab's election parody, the movie 'The French Democracy' during the French riots, the Franken show's parody of Rush singing 'My drugs are red white and blue' etc.
ReplyDeleteThe point is, for the public to come to terms with the momentous debate, it helps for the public to have some self-induced exposure to the facts involved, and edutainment may be one route to go...
This is exactly right. As I said over at FDL a while ago, we need to somehow make what's happening on the leftish blogosphere more mainstream. All ideas are open. However, I must caution, even though everyone here already knows, that right-wing radio shows have call screeners. If you've ever heard Limbaugh's show when an informed, articulate liberal caller somehow gets through, it's really no match. Limbaugh can't handle smart counter arguements. Thus, they rarely get through. Maybe local call screeners are less competent in protecting the host. I agree with Jane that we should "attack" local right-wing talk radio .
ReplyDeleteThere's a woman in Chicago named Terry O'Brien. She's on WLS (AM 890) from noon to 3:00 on Sundays. She's vile, very hateful, and extremely right wing. I've tried to engage her a few times but am usually ignored or cut off. Chicago readers: sic 'er!
Lindsey Graham is also the latest GOP Senator to dig his heels in against the White House on the illegal domestic wiretapping hearings.
ReplyDeleteNew York Times link
Just stopping by to comment.
ReplyDeleteI'm an FDL regular commenter and regular reader here.
I like what you are doing on a few levels.
First, it's a sensible way to harness collective action. Your analysis of the obsolescence of the old line issue groups is on point.
Second, I believe that the future of the netroots will require more coordinated action like this among the flagship poster and hosts of the major liberal blog sites.
The sites have emerged with their own niches, communities and voices, in the best possible way: organically.
Now, to be effective across liberal blogtopia, we should combine our efforts and make good strateguc use of our relative community strengths.
I have likened the hosts of the major liberal blogs to old time ward bosses.
Now, I can't say I like the whiff of cigar smoke and backroom skullduggery the image connotes, but the fact is, the major site hosts have expertise and communites they can persude into action. And since our side is quite opinionated and empowered, I don't really see any danger we will ever fall into authoritarian models of top-down activism that are the hallmark of the right.
Chris and Matt at MyDD, John Aravosis, ReddHedd and Jane, Kos and his front pagers, the crowd at The Next Hurrah, Armando, you, Digby, Duncan Black, Peter Daou and others: we in the netroots need all of you to get organized. The Dem party needs it, even if they will fear it, but more than that, America needs it.
It's time to learn to harness our collective power to maximun impact. This pilot program between you and FDL is a good start, are the "Open Letter" campaigns.
Doesn't take a rocket science to figure out what type of action will get the attention from those that would steal our democracy -- they may not actually count our votes, but they do count our dollars.
ReplyDeleteWould love to see FDL and the "superblogs" be part of the solution instead of the "echo chamber." Based on experience on those boards -- ain't gonna happen. It isn't the reason those blogs exist.
Once they get past the "LOOK AT ME; LOOK AT ME!!! I HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, they proclaim that everything else is "netroots" and not what blogs are for.
Prove me wrong, but no amount of self-indulgent analysis and proclaimations that "so and so" has all the answers is gonna mean squat.
Being a snarky "know-it-all" is one thing, being willing to listen to people and build coalitions of support is another. Just because a person can write endless prose (most of it speculation that time proves is wrong) does not mean they are actually "leading" anything.
Suggestion: You and Jane teaming up is formidable. You both need to contact Arianna Huffington. Her site provides the wide exposure that will give an initial boost to this venture.
ReplyDeleteWhat about Heather Wilson and New Mexico?
I've seen it called, on many comment boards, the left-wing equivelent of the 101st Keyboarding Brigade that promotes the war in iraq
ReplyDeleteMore succinctly put:
ALL BLOG, NO ACTION -- but prove me wrong
Argree absolutely that the blogosphere is where it is going to happen if it happens.
ReplyDeleteExpect many MSM articles in the days ahead minimizing the role of the blogosphere. Yada Yada Yada. Anyone with eyesight can see that any other venue is hopeless, and this is the new political reality.
I just read a posted comment on your previous topic from an Iraqi war veteran who was pissed off that he fought over their and the politicians over here are not fighting to defend the constitution.
ReplyDeletePowerful stuff.
I'll do what I can here in one of the five states (groan) that the majority still support Bush; Oklahoma.
ReplyDeleteWe have a progressive local radio station and a proggressive weekly newspaper that I can contact. Do we have marching orders like the right does? I mean they all parrot one another so nicely. And a secret handshake? I hear they have one of those too. (snark alert)
Please immediately personally contact Anonymous Liberal, Wintermute, and Thersites at Vichy Dems and get them on board. They could be important lieutenants to you.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was calling politicians all weekend, I used thersites' great summarized talking points so I didn't stumble all over myself trying to think, and I used the phone numbers from that site, which makes it easy.
Also, Glenn, I cannot BELIEVE you don't have Anonymous Liberal and Vichy Dems on your blog roll. Those are sites whose hosts mirror your own thinking on most of the important points. Please add those sites immediately. Many of the blogs you say you read are worthless to this upcoming effort.
I wish constant would come back and join the fight also.
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteLet me first say that this fellow legal analyst very much appreciates everything you've been doing to inform the blogosphere and the public of the true nature of the NSA wiretapping scandal. The issue is absolutely one of separation of powers and the rule of law more than of privacy vs. counterterrorism.
As for blog campaign, my prime suggestion would be that you should not only put pressure on officials seeking election, but also focus strongly on framing political issues in the traditional media. For every campaign to influence politicians on a state or local level, there needs to be a parallel campaign to keep the media honest and skeptical of GOP talking points and conventional wisdom.
The media battle is absolutely crucial. Influence the debate in the traditional media, and you consequently influence the politicians running for office a hundred-fold. To that end, you and other experts need to continue to make media appearances, challenging the other side's talking points toe-to-toe, and doing so by demonstrating your netroots power and presence. I saw you on the Washington Journal and you were outstanding. This needs to be duplicated on cable news, PBS, radio, networks, etc.
Liberals of every stripe need to find a consensus on the issues not coming from a hierarchical command structure over message, but from the solid intellectual consensus that comes from smart and open discussions on blogs and other open media. It seems clear to me that Democrats are far more unified than they have been given credit for. Their fragmentation is only over what (tactically) to do. By aggressively campaigning for media presence and influence over election issues, by taking a bold, energetic, and unapologetic lead, you can help more timid Democrats will find their voice.
Most importantly, however, just keep being who you are and speaking truth to power.
dclaw, Loved your post, and what you say is absolutely true, inspiringly insightful, and a recipe for effective action in this campaign.
ReplyDeleteI do think, however, that privacy is second to nothing, except justice. The Rule of Law and Separation of the Powers are tools to accomplish things, and a critical one of those things is the privacy of the individual.
Glenn, do you currently work at a job? If so, could you take a leave of absence? If so, how much money would you need to raise to make that personally feasible?
I can raise a lot in a short time, so please address this question.
There's actually a fairly useful thing that can be done by readers, simply through letters to the editor.
ReplyDeleteNot astroturf. That must be emphasized. These must be individually written letters, preferably from citizens within the state.
I work in drug policy reform and there's a site that has done an amazing job in this way: MAPinc.
They provide resources for letter writers, focus alerts, and articles to which letter writers can respond. They figure that they have, in column inch value, generated over $2 million per year worth of published letters.
Sure, letters to the editor in most newspapers include a whole lot of wackos, but they're still read, and can sometimes be used by politicians' staffs as one tool of measuring local reaction to events.
anonymous,
ReplyDeleteBy no means do I mean to suggest that privacy is not important. However, when it comes to this NSA issue, from a legal/constitutional standpoint, the separation of powers and rule of law angles are the strongest, and most indicative of the overall abuses of this presidency.
I agree that we should not give the Executive the power to eavesdrop without court approval, but in the political context of "the war on terror" we need to be sure our message is not mistaken as an argument that we would rather defend the privacy of a potential terrorist than to root him out. Instead, we need to repeatedly point out that FISA has worked quite well for nearly 30 years, has been updated by amendment to reflect contemporary realities, and, oh yes, IS THE LAW. Only as a corollary to making the point that this President feels he has a "mandate" to ignore the law and secretly do what he pleases should we point out that the power to eavesdrop on Americans without court oversight can lead to egregious violations of rights.
But I do think you get the gist of what I was saying, and thanks for the endorsement of my suggestions.
Here's a post from Vichy Dems that is most definitely worth reading. Vichy Dems may be a site for Democrats, but at least they're Democrats who are now concerned with the exact same issues as Glenn is posting about, so if this is to be a bi-partisan effort, these people should be viewed as important allies.
ReplyDelete"Useful inside insight into what happened in Senate Intel -- and another pep talk .
The procedural maneuvering that prevented the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence from even voting on whether to hold hearings into the NSA surveillance program may prove to be a watershed event in the history of the Bush administration, because the vote it avoided could have been a tipping point on which the legitimacy and continuing relevance of the entire Bush administration might have hinged.
In one scenario, a decision by the Intel Committee to hold hearings could have started events cascading against the administration in a way that even the Republican machine, weakened by sagging poll numbers, ethics scandals, the decapitation of its lobbying apparatus, and the restiveness of Congresspeople trying to win reelection in the absence of Presidential coattails, couldn't stop.
In the other scenario, a vote to sweep the NSA scandal under the rug could have been the administration's Battle of Britain: the point when, at its weakest and subject to heavy attack, it nevertheless held firm and won the day in a way that foreshadowed its resurgence and eventual victory.
Ultimately, it was neither. The Intelligence Committee did not vote to hold hearings, denying us the chance to get momentum on our side at last. To that extent, we lost and the administration won. But neither did the administration win a convincing, morale-boosting, influence-reviving victory; stretching the Battle of Britain analogy, the administration essentially snuck into the German airbases and put sugar cubes into the gas tanks of the enemy's bombers, avoiding (or at least postponing; more on that later) the battle altogether.
Making it even harder to decipher the meaning of Thursday's non-vote, what exactly happened in the inner working of the Committee has been unclear. On the one hand, Democratic senator Jay Rockefeller's office clearly thought it not only would get a vote in Committee, but that the vote would go his way. A Rockefeller staffer told me, consistently over several days leading up to the vote, that Chairman Pat Roberts had promised Rockefeller hearings, and that the Rockefeller office continued to assume he would keep his word. And Rockefeller's rage after the hearing certainly seemed sincere: he felt betrayed in a way that used to be uncommon in the collegial and formerly honorable Senate, and said so. On the other hand, Dartanyon, a poster here at VichyDems who has reliable sources on the Hill, was equally adamant as the vote approached that the fix was in several days ahead of time, and there would be no hearings.
A story in today's Washington Post gives insight into what actually happened in the last moments before the Committee vote, and lends support to my thesis that strong, direct citizen activism immediately before AND after key procedural events like this is a critical component of the overall effort to reclaim our democracy. The WaPo reports:
[L]ast Thursday, as the Senate intelligence committee readied for a showdown over a motion by top Democrat John D. Rockefeller IV (W.Va.) to start a broad inquiry into the surveillance program. White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr. -- who had visited the Capitol two days earlier with Vice President Cheney to lobby Republicans on the program -- spoke by phone with Sen. Olympia J. Snowe (R-Maine), according to Senate sources briefed on the call.
Snowe earlier had expressed concerns about the program's legality and civil liberties safeguards, but Card was adamant about restricting congressional oversight and control, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing office policies. Snowe seemed taken aback by Card's intransigence, and the call amounted to "a net step backward" for the White House, said a source outside Snowe's office.
Snowe contacted fellow committee Republican Chuck Hagel (Neb.), who also had voiced concerns about the program. They arranged a three-way phone conversation with Chairman Pat Roberts (R-Kan.).
Until then, Roberts apparently thought he had the votes to defeat Rockefeller's motion in the committee, which Republicans control nine to seven, the sources said. But Snowe and Hagel told the chairman that if he called up the motion, they would support it, assuring its passage, the sources said.
When the closed meeting began, Roberts averted a vote on Rockefeller's motion by arranging for a party-line vote to adjourn until March 7.
Why did Dartanyon's sources say the fix was in several days before the hearing? Because Roberts believed, all the way up to Thursday morning, that he had the votes in the bag. Why did Rockefeller think he would at least get a "upperdown" vote? Because Roberts didn't realize he didn't have Snowe and Hagel in the bag until that very morning.
How about the impact of citizen pressure? Do we really make a difference in this stuff? Absolutely. A swing of either Hagel's or Snowe's vote would have resulted in a tie in Committee and been seen as a setback to the administration, which would have made more news than the procedural dodge did and would have subtly shifted momentum to our side. A defection by both of them, as Rockefeller apparently anticipated, would have resulted in hearings -- and was, up to the very day of the meeting, a real possibility by their own admission."
I suggest visiting that site to read the rest of the article and look at the links, as it is all good stuff.
dclaw:
ReplyDeleteThanks for the clarification to me, and I agree with what you say.
"we need to be sure our message is not mistaken as an argument that we would rather defend the privacy of a potential terrorist than to root him out."
Yes, this is an important point. Frankly, I don't care about the privacy rights of terrorists who advocate murdering civilians. In my opinion, once a person adopts a a clearly immoral course of action which threatens the basic rights of innocents, his "rights" cease to exist.
So I see your point, in terms of strategically putting forth an argument which cannot be twisted into something it isn't, and I agree with you.
Finally! Genius! The only thing the left blogosphere has needed were people who were actual LEADERS, willing to dig in and mobilize the millions of folks out there who take the time to read, write, think and get pissed off regularly.
ReplyDeleteI've long wondered why our side never harnessed it's considerable potential to affect the media discourse the way our opposite numbers have for the past couple of decades. Seeing the Howell fiasco, the Chris Matthews page and the rise of the influence of blogs -- such as your involvement in the NSA hearings -- made me realize that the left blogosphere had reached a tipping point.
Glenn, you impressed me right off the bat when I discovered your work through FDL months ago, and you have not disappointed. Thank you for helping set this in motion.
- mercury
I'm in PA and want Santorum sent to packing to VA, his real home state. But have to disagree that he and Lindsey Graham belong on the same page here. I might have ideological differences with Graham, but he's not the enemy.
ReplyDeleteI've long wondered why our side never harnessed it's considerable potential to affect the media discourse the way our opposite numbers have for the past couple of decades.
ReplyDeleteCuz its must easier to flame the discourse on a site and proclaim that taking "action" is a "netroot thing" blah blah blah blah...
The "superblogs" have not seen their role as leading change -- in fact, they discourage anyone from talking about action. One of the larger one repeatedly told people to not attend last year's peace protest (a huge, successful event) cuz so-and-so would be there...
But then they "lead" a campaign against a near bancrupt company cuz they were cutting back on advertising (yeah, like gay rights are moved forward if I do or don't buy a ford).
www.buyblue.org has everything we need to get the mainstream media's attention -- after all, its the money BEHIND chimpy and gang that is our trouble...
but mention that at the "advertise liberally" crowd...
Perhaps the problem is that building coalitions means leaving room for people to bring thier perspectives to the table...
I agree -- Internet has changed everything, but that is not the same thing as saying the snarky, 300+ thread insults at many blogs have done anything.
dclaw1 is right, ultimately, the battle will need to be won in the MSM and in how issues are framed. We just preach to the choir here and at other sites, bitch at the choir.
Wouldn't take much to get the attention of the firms that finance this whole thing -- boycotts of major republican donors probably have to be part of the solution.
After all, we can't prove they count our votes, be we know they double count our dollars!
All the blah blah blah blah blah from the "superbloggers" is not going to change that...
Well, the corporations and Bush regime will try and stop this kind of thing from happening. But we can decide to not let them stop us.
ReplyDeleteSure they can stop us -- if we keep giving them fistfuls of dollars to do it with...
My most recent NSA Program post, if you're interested.
ReplyDeleteIt seems very odd to me how so many left bloggers are completely or almost completely ignoring the House Intelligence Committee, and the fact that they voted to proceed with their investigation. You'd think the House of Representatives didn't exist.
I'd also think that everyone would want to hammer all the Republicans, from Heather Wilson to Lindsay Graham to Arlen Specter and on and on (as I've blogged multiple times about), who are hitting the administration and stating the need for judicial review and congressional oversight, and thus countering the Bush-supporting lying line about how it's all just terrorsymp Democrats who don't want to protect us who are protesting, but instead it seems as if too many left bloggers (not you, Glenn, of course) are simply too reluctant to say anything remotely construably positive about any Republican to bother to mention this.
Which is, in my view, great if one just wants to talk to our echo chamber, but I, of course, don't think that's who we particularly need to be only talking to.
It's similar to the way so many of our fellow left bloggers are busily denouncing Francis Fukuyama for having dared to only start denouncing Bush's foreign policy after late 2001/early 2002, and for only having been loudly campaigning and writing articles and speechifying about how Bush mustn't be re-elected and Rumsfeld must resign by early 2004, rather than, y'know, taking a "yes, he agrees with us" (on this) for an answer. I kinda think that the fact that he's been denouncing neo-conservatives for years is rather more important than that he once was one, but whaddya I know?
Glenn -
ReplyDeleteI'd like to suggest a name for this campaign, which describes in words exactly what you and Jane are trying to transform the blogosphere into:
The Spearhead Campaign.
This word was used by Delphine here in some excellent comments a few threads back.
All force, no matter the size, needs to be focused to enable the most energy to hit a particular target. That's why they invented spearheads and such...
P.S. If you are talking Nebraska, you should also be talking Senator Earl Benjamin Nelson, ex-Insurance Executive too, in my opinion. He's no Democrat, though he has a D next to his name. He's a Bush fan and loyalist probably as much as or more so than is his fellow Nebraskan Chuck Hagel.
I have been gnawing on the same bone recently and came to a slightly different conclusion.
ReplyDeleteWhile the blogosphere is a powerful force, it is too easily ignored - you only see it if you are a part of it and we are WAY in the minority. But it is a great way to organize events. If the progressive blogosphere could organize a series of nationwide marches it would make an impact. People turning out into the streets creates a presence and will allow people who aren't in the blogosphere to get connected.
Think about it a day of action with coordinated events across the nation with speakers like:
conyers
kennedy
dean
feingold
hackett
boxer
there are many more that could be added.
They don't need to be in one site, but their addresses could be beamed to all the other sites.
If this would take place in early October, it could create some serious momentum for a clean sweep. If this would be driven by the blogosphere it would be a testament to its power. Any effective grassroot political movement has to get millions into the streets.
Glenn:
ReplyDeleteCount me in. Unfortunately I live in New Joisey, but I will do whatever I can to help you in the six key states. I'm a web developer, so maybe there's something on that front I can do. I'll send you and Jane an email so you can contact me with whatever you might need.
Well, it looks like Glenn has decided to concentrate on the NSA "scandal". He must have tired of checking out every single rightwing blog in the blogosphere to make sure they had denounced Ann Coulter using the phrase "raghead"--which somehow morphed (in Glenn's world) to Coulter calling for Supreme Court justices and Bill Clinton to be killed (both lies).
ReplyDeleteIt's a good thing that Glenn wasn't around during the times when we were at war with the "Krauts" and "Nips"; the little Nancy Boy would have probably fainted.
But remember everybody. Just because Glenn links to radical hatemongering leftwing sites like The Huffington Post, it does not mean he is a "leftist" or a "liberal". Just because Glenn writes articles for the extremist hate-filled leftwing Crooks and Liars website, it does not make him a "liberal" or a "leftist". And just because Markos (at DailyKos) does not write every single article on that site, Markos is innocent of the hatemongering that is so common on that site. Poor Glenn. He couldn't even muster the courage to take Markos to task for his "screw them, I feel nothing for them (the 4 American contractors who were burned alive and hung from a bridge in Falluja.
And remember that Democrats do not embrace the hate-filled radical extremists who frequent the left. Al Franken making a video where he kicks a "conservative" in the nuts, and then bashes a chair over his head is just good ole humor.
When Air America hate radio does skits on the air where they assassinate Bush (they've done this twice--earning a visit from the Authorities the second time--it is all an attempt by Bushitler to squelch free speech.
When Senator Robert Byrd (D-KKK) used the phrase "white n*ggers" on the Faux News Channel, it was probably somehow Faux's fault.
Radical hate-monger Ward Churchill is not a featured speaker at numerous universities--and Ward Churchill does not teach American youth to hate the US with a purple passion.
And Michael Moore is not a leftist icon. He did not hold a special Washington premiere for the Democrat Party to watch Fahrenheit 9-11--and the leaders of the Democrat Party did not attend. Nor did Michael Moore have a special seat (right beside a former President) at the DNC.
And Democrats do not fantasize about bashing in Ann Coulter's skull and defacating in her mouth. And Michelle Malkin is not swamped with the most hate-filled racist shockingly disgusting emails from Democrats; she's merely a coward for not allowing Democrats to spew their hate-filled racism on her website.
And the Democrats wonder the public has tuned them out...
"which somehow morphed (in Glenn's world) to Coulter calling for Supreme Court justices and Bill Clinton to be killed (both lies)."
ReplyDeleteFrom CNN:
Poison Justice Stevens, Coulter jokes
Friday, January 27, 2006; Posted: 12:09 p.m. EST (17:09 GMT)
LITTLE ROCK, Arkansas (AP) -- Conservative commentator Ann Coulter, speaking at a traditionally black college, joked that Justice John Paul Stevens
should be poisoned.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/27/coulter.stevens.ap/
Or maybe you'll like this one better:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,183006,00.html
Jeez, get off the Kool-Aid buddy and sober up. I promise you will feel a lot better.
As much as I'd like to get Roberts and Brownback out of office in Kansas, I don't think that Democrats here have a ghost of a chance to accomplish that. Even though we have a Democratic governor - something that never ceases to surprise me - there are no strong Democratic candidates for any office in Kansas. Your time would be better spent in focusing on another state where Democrats have a reasonable chance for success.
ReplyDeleteDo you really buy Glenn's
ReplyDeleteline that he is a good old conservative that has been smeared as a "liberal" because of this NSA "scandal"?
I just posted this on FDL and will leave it here as well.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, I do not have time to read all of the comments, but one of the projects I am working on at the moment is calling all the Senator's offices and getting a response on how their staffs cope with the phone calls, emails, faxes, etc. at times like the Alito vote. I faxed, emailed and called for the two weeks leading up to the vote and observed different behavior at the end of the phone line as the campaign became more intense. I think it is worth the time to ask them what is the best way to get through to them and when. For example, personal letters vs. phone calls, long, detailed letters backing up a position vs. simple statements for or against, etc., etc. I am looking at this more from a marketing/promotions perspective and am hoping to distill some guidelines to share and use to develop strategies that work. I think we are very close, but need to finesse our approach.
I am going to take the chance of publicly revealing my email address - if there is anyone who wants to get involved in this with me, feel free to get in touch - vze3cskc at verizon dot net.
Also, I'm sure this has been said, but getting someone involved at kos - if only because of the size of the readership - makes sense. Tanya, TeresainPA, McJoan, Georgia10, Armando, etc. were all very motivational and on point when it came to the Alito battle. Also, must involve
Bob Fertik and his crew - they were amazing on the Alito thing - one of the first places I went to hourly to check for the latest info.
I would like someone to tell me if the post in the comments section at FDL which I reprint below has any validity, because if so, I am not going to waste my time getting involved in this blogosphere effort. I admit I was a little nervous two days ago when I found out that Google owns this very site, which means everything on this will be turned over to the government.
ReplyDelete-----------
"for now, this is all we have, HOWEVER
in the very near future, the internet will be regulated, any outlet of influence will be bought up by corporate interests
AND
the public will be given only limited access to these outlets
these plans are already being worked by the administration
we are in TONS of trouble"
Is there any validity to this?
Thank you.
I agree very, very strongly with the poster who suggested that this "movement" would benefit by having a name, although I am not sure Spearhead is the best name. There has to be an identifying tag so that its mere mention conjures up the issues with which we are concerned.
ReplyDeleteI can't figure out what it should be, but I think it's very necessary, and will come to be an important factor in dealing with the MSM. For instance, a TV host could be contacted and told "We would like you to interview Glenn Greenwald, the leader of the X movement, on your show more often, or things of that ilk.
When you give a movement a name, it's more likely to get mentioned in the MSM, because it makes it easy for the MSM to talk about it without first listing all the objectives of different people who are working together on a project.
It's also a good "story" for them, which adds to the possibility of mention.
The name that comes to mind is The Resistance Fighters Party, or the Resistance Movement, or the Citizen's Resistance Movement, because the essence of what binds us all is that we are resisting the totalitarian nature of an Imperial Presidency, no matter who that President is, which erodes both the Constitution and the Rule of Law and infringes periously on individual civil liberties.
I worry that this movement is attracting only Democrats, because my own view is that there are two evils which deprive a person of his life, liberty and the pursuit of his happiness.
One is the attack on civil liberties, but the other is the confiscation of wealth.
I have always objected to the way that the Democratic Party caters to special interest groups, which it wants to fund by taxing those who produce the wealth.
Also, there is an underlying animosity toward rich people in the Democratic party which is intolerable to a capitalist like me.
So if this movement becomes merely a tool to aid unprincipled Democrats in getting into office, it doesn't have any appeal to me.
Someone like Feingold would be another story.
I want to bind with people who are driven by principle, that principle being a defense of the Constitution and the Rule of Law. The NSA illegal spying, the institutionalized torture, the lying to the American people to initiate an unprovoked law, the arrogant duplicity of those in office, and all of the frightening things that this Administration has come to stand for are emblematic of lawlessness, and that is what I want to resist.
LITTLE ROCK, Arkansas (AP) -- Conservative commentator Ann Coulter, speaking at a traditionally black college, joked that Justice John Paul Stevens
ReplyDeleteshould be poisoned.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/27/coulter.stevens.ap/
Or maybe you'll like this one better:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933
Two links that lead "page cannot be found".
Lay off the crack before you try to spread rumors that Coulter called for Supreme Court justices to be killed at CPAC.
Crack cocaine is A Bad Thing.
As much as I'd like to get Roberts and Brownback out of office in Kansas, I don't think that Democrats here have a ghost of a chance to accomplish that. Even though we have a Democratic governor - something that never ceases to surprise me - there are no strong Democratic candidates for any office in Kansas. Your time would be better spent in focusing on another state where Democrats have a reasonable chance for success.
ReplyDeleteActually I think Kansas is a prime spot to push. The Kansas Republican Party is in the midst of a civil war and the split is what allowed Sibelius to be elected.
Kansas - female Democratic Governor
California and NY - male Republican Governors. ;)
For example the Johnson County DA has switched parties to run for AG against the abominable Kline, who represents the freeper wing of the Republicans.
Furthermore the state Board of Education elections in the fall will be a BIG draw for moderate sane voters to come out again and smack the radicals. Might not be enough to remove Roberts or Brownback, but it might be enough to budge Roberts off being a Bushevik shill.
As for Brownback, he's got Presidential 2008 aspirations and as the fundie nut heart throb, he's not gonna want too much national exposure of his religious radicalism too soon.
Hey guys....pssst...(whisper)....
ReplyDeleteIt's no longer the NSA thing anymore...the NSA "scandal" is as dead as Elvis...it's now the Arab Emirates thingee...grab this ball and run with it...you'll get real traction with this, another Harriet Miers moment for Bush and his team.
Let's see if you're smart and nimble enough to realize the political opportunities here for Democrats.
Two links that lead "page cannot be found".
ReplyDeleteOnly for people too dumb to use a mouse, considering that you clipped the second URL. Here's something even a moron like you should be able to handle:
www.google.com/search?q=coulter+poisoning
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteYou should remove specific reference to Jane's email from your post.
It will trigger loads of spam to her.
There are other ways to let people know her address.
Appreciate your incredible insight in these matters.
ReplyDeleteYou should remove specific reference to Jane's email from your post.
It will trigger loads of spam to her.
Oh gosh, he didn't have his thinking cap on, now did he? Cuz he'd never do that to another blogger.
I think we could have the greatest impact if we raised money for a TV spot that would run in key markets. Kos, Atrios, and others successfully raise money for candidates, and I think this is at least as worthy a project. With modern desktop video editing sofwtare, creating the ad would be cheap. The expense would come with buying the airtime. I'm picturing an ad something like this:
ReplyDelete1. Clip of Bush's speech where he says wiretaps always are backed by a judge's order.
2. Screen of text reading: "That was April 2004, at least two years after George Bush ordered warrentless wiretaps. George Bush lied to the American people."
3. A clip, if it exists, of an Administration official heaping priase on the Congress for amending the FISA law as Bush requested.
4. Screen of text reading: "Congress changed the law in every way Bush wanted in order to catch terrorists. George Bush then decided to break the law anyway."
5. Another screen of text: "This isn't about catching terrorists. This is about whether we want to let George Bush, and all future Presidents, break the law. For more information, http://www....."
This is just an idea off the top of my head for an ad. I'm sure if we put our minds together we could put together something very effective. Something that could potentially have a much broader impact than writing letters to the editor.
Yes, it needs a name. But not: Spearhead, The Resistance Fighters Party, the Resistance Movement, the Citizen's Resistance Movement. In my mind at least, the Resistance exists/existed in countries occupied by foreigners.
ReplyDeleteHere, I'd like to see the word "American" used in some combination. And/or maybe "Constitution". Keep trying!
--nbm
And Democrats do not fantasize about bashing in Ann Coulter's skull and defacating in her mouth.
ReplyDeleteWow, that was gross. Where the hell did that come from?
Wonder why you didn't sign your name?
ReplyDeleteanonymous 12:47
Well, it looks like Glenn has decided to concentrate on the NSA "scandal". .......
I guess this is what you get when you take them off of Ritalin three days instead of just two.
GEEZ!
Snowe and Hagel are not, cannot, be truly interested in a full and open investigation into the matter. Unless I'm wrong, and they are somehow required to do so, giving Roberts a heads up as to their vote plans in a three-way conference call was the last thing they should have done if they actually cared about honesty and accountability. Everyone by now knows of Roberts' passion -- Sensenbrenner style -- of tabling votes and squashing dissenting voices.
ReplyDeleteIf there is to be a negative side to this action, it seems to me that the best way to approach it is to simply (and immediately, and publicly) call these senators on such actions when they occur. If we were to publicly ask why Snowe and Hagel simply didn't go and vote their conscience in committee rather than give Roberts the option to do the math and preempt the vote, we could put a lot of pressure on them to do what is right (and they are moderate enough to at least know the meaning of that word). But I agree that the brunt of that public outcry should be from constituents.
For what it's worth, I've written to these particular senators, not as an angry liberal but desguised as a republican. IOW, I include disappointment in the failure of the Bush administration as though I really believed in him at one time.
ReplyDeleteI also tell these slime buckets that I believe in their trustworthiness and how they will right the wrong that is being done by this administration and remind them that they represent law abidding citizens.
I hope that my letters will touch a nerve.