Defenders of the NSA warrantless surveillance program want to have their cake and eat it too. They insist that the NSA program is legal but are entirely unwilling to acknowledge the logical consequences that necessarily follow. Once you've dispatched with the specious argument that the AUMF somehow provided the president with the authority to bypass FISA--an argument which David Kris' memorandum definitively puts to rest--you are left with a simple, undeniable truth: either this program is illegal, or FISA is unconstitutional.
The Bush administration and its apologists, however, are simply unwilling to acknowledge this. In Friday's USA Today, the loathsome Senator Pat Roberts wrote the following in an op-ed on the NSA controversy:
While Congress enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to establish procedures for foreign intelligence surveillance, this law did not, indeed cannot, extinguish the president's constitutional powers. FISA provides one way for him to conduct foreign intelligence surveillance, but not the only way.
Notice how Roberts sidesteps the issue of FISA's constitutionality. Rather than acknowledge the obvious logical consequence of his argument--that FISA is unconstitutional--he instead suggests that FISA merely "provides one way" to conduct foreign intelligence surveillance and that the President is free to use others. This is a variation on the "many tools" talking point that the White House has been using for some time now. For example, in his January 26 press conference, the President said the following:
And FISA's still an important tool. It's an important tool, and we still use that tool. But, also -- and I looked. I said, 'Look, is it possible to conduct this program under the old law?' And people said, 'It doesn't work in order to be able do the job we expect to us do.' And so, that's why I made the decision I made. And, you know, 'circumventing' is a loaded word. And I refuse to accept it, because I believe what I'm doing is legally right.
(Speaking of tools, how did this guy ever get to be the leader of the free world?) In this breathtakingly incoherent response, the President admits that the NSA program is inconsistent with FISA, but at the same time suggests that FISA is important, that it is just one tool in his executive toolbox. This is, to put it mildly, totally absurd. FISA expressly and unambiguously provides that its procedures "shall be the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance . . . may be conducted." In other words, FISA is not a tool, it's THE tool.
This exclusivity provision is not some minor detail or statutory afterthought. It is the key to the entire FISA framework, a provision that, if removed, would render the statute meaningless.
It's important to understand that, prior to the passage of FISA, the only thing constraining the president's ability to conduct foreign intelligence surveillance domestically was his own pledge to uphold the 4th amendment, a pledge which a number of presidents (particularly Nixon) did not take very seriously. The purpose of FISA was to protect the constitutional rights of the American people by imposing reasonable oversight requirements on the use of this executive power. This can only be done by providing exclusive procedures for conducting this sort of surveillance.
If FISA's procedures are not exclusive, if executive branch officials can choose whether to utilize FISA or some alternative protocol of their own design, they will clearly only comply with FISA in those instances where they are sure the necessary factual predicates are met; in all other instances they will use their own secret alternative protocol, which does not require judicial approval. Having a two-track system makes a mockery of the statutory scheme. The exceptions swallow the rule and render it meaningless.
President Bush and Senator Roberts know this, of course, but they continue to insult our intelligence by pretending that FISA still has a useful role to play in a world where the president has the power to conduct exactly the sort of surveillance that FISA forbids. Under the legal theories these men have publicly endorsed, FISA is unconstitutional. But Bush and his defenders refuse to own up to this fact because they know that a number of embarrassing consequences logically flow from it.
They realize it would mean scrapping a statutory framework that has served us well for 28 years and has never been seriously challenged. They know it would mean the entire four year debate over the Patriot Act was a colossal waste of time. And, perhaps most significantly, they know that if FISA is unconstitutional, so too are a great many other laws which they have no desire to call into question (at least at the moment). So instead they proclaim that the NSA program is legal and willfully ignore all the logical consequences of that proclamation.
Fortunately for the Administration, they don't have to explain any of these contradictions because the media never asks about it because they're too lazy and dumb. So they just dance on, speaking out of both sides of their criminal mouths. Must be nice to know you can violate the law with no consequences.
ReplyDeleteWhat is amazing to me is that they fully expect the public to accept their alternate vision of reality.
ReplyDeleteIt is not only 1984 but we have fallen down the rabbit hole in a clockwork orange version of 2001 a space odyssy where we rock around the clock with powdered wigs and a nasa spacesuit on while visions of sugar plums dance in our heads and captain hook floats by on a porsche 911 to the tune of in a gadda da vida..............................
Well, you get the picture. :)
The only remaining issue is how to get a judicial review of the program.
ReplyDeleteThat is, I don't have to accept Glenn's arguments, but there is no logical or legal position that would preclude a judicial review.
How do we get one?
Under the legal theories these men have publicly endorsed, FISA is unconstitutional. But Bush and his defenders refuse to own up to this fact because they know that a number of embarrassing consequences logically flow from it.
ReplyDeleteSo Bush needs FISA and The Patriot Act not because they affect his behavior or power one way or another, but they act as a fig leaf, a legal distraction that the public doesn’t quite understand to cover-up the reality that our chief executive has claimed unlimited, dictatorial powers.
So, the administration has enlisted the FISA court to be part of its “cover-up” just like it enlisted the Senate Intelligence “Cover-up” Committee to do the same.
If I’m not mistaken, one FISA Court judge has resigned in protest over the administration’s actions -- what about the rest of them? I know it’s a secret court, but is there a way for them to express concern that they have been recruited to be in on a “cover-up” as well?
Is that even a possibility?
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"The only remaining issue is how to get a judicial review of the program.
That is, I don't have to accept Glenn's arguments, but there is no logical or legal position that would preclude a judicial review.
How do we get one?"
The Republicans are trying to avoid a judicial review other than the one provided by their pet Gonzales by establishing this bogus seven person subcommittee.
If judicial review was not a problem Bush, Gonzales, and the NSA could have worked under the FISA court all along.
Notice this last bit by Roberts in the op-ed.
ReplyDelete"It's the constitutional duty of the executive branch to make the tough decisions necessary to win wars. That's not the case for the legislative branch,..."
Someone needs to remind the good Senator that the President does not have exclusive authority when it comes to conducting war. We elect members of Congress to represent us and they have a say in how this nation conducts itself, especially when it comes to war. We place our trust in them that they will weigh all of the evidence and come to an informed decision that is best for the country. Because ultimately those decisions will affect all of us.
If Roberts is suggesting that the legislature does not have a say in making those decisions, he is basically saying that what we the people want does not matter. Tell me how that does not make us a defacto monarchy?
Is it my imagination, or is Senator Roberts offering the same line of argument that certain resident contrarians have concerning FISA (ie it is plainly 'unconstitutional', but not following that argument to its logical conclusion)?
ReplyDeleteAs I asked at ThinkProgress, I will ask here; are all Kansans cowards like their Senator Pat Roberts?
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ReplyDelete["-- you are left with a simple, undeniable truth: either this program is illegal, or FISA is unconstitutional."]
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No ... Both FISA and this NSA program are illegal.
Unlike 'FISA', the U.S. Constitution does not authorize secret courts nor retroactive search warrants.
Nor does the Constitution authorize NSA to intercept domestic communications without probable-cause & judicial approval.
The 'undeniable truth' is that American rule-of-law is gone, replaced by temporal rule-of-men {tyranny}.
Forgive me, but isn't it the realm of the Courts to ultimately decide if a statute is "unconstitutional" (something the Rehquist Court appeared to do with rather depressing regularity)? Odd, as AL points out, no such case has been brought before the SCOUS.
ReplyDeletePerhaps FISA does run counter to (perhaps) the Fourth Amendment; myself, I'd make the argument it actually secures the right against unlawful search and seizure in that it establishes the need for a warrant (allowing for modern conditions by granting it to be acquired retroactively) for electronic surveilence of targets.
I believe any arguments against it vis-a-vis Article II have been thoroughly debunked here. It would be interesting to see an actual court challenge using this argument though.
That all said, I don't believe the rule of law has so much disappeared or ended as we simply have a collection of pseudo-Mayberry Machiavellis who simply refuse to enforce or adhere to the laws already established. The program under discussion is perhaps the clearest example to date of this.
It is the same lack of logical follow through that dominates the same thinkers views on abortion.
ReplyDeleteIf abortion is a crime what is the punishment and who is to be punished?
Their latest version, in South Dakota, abortion is a class 5 felony imposed only on the doctor.
They are incapable or unwilling to think through or act on the consequences of their policy desires, and see no problem with it.
gris lobo: Yup, I agree, although a DOJ review is not a judicial review. Question remains: how do we force this into the courts? Will the extant lawsuits do the job, or are they too narrow?
ReplyDeleteGlenn,
ReplyDeleteThe default format of your website appears to have a dark blue font against a dark brown wallpaper. It really is hard to read.
(Or maybe it's just me? I use Firefox.)
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"gris lobo: Yup, I agree, although a DOJ review is not a judicial review. Question remains: how do we force this into the courts? Will the extant lawsuits do the job, or are they too narrow?"
Honestly don't know. I think Glenn or AL will have to answer that one.
A.L.: Great post! Simple and direct, connecting that Bush quote (which I had missed) and the exclusivity provision in FISA. That's just astounding.
ReplyDeleteWhat I like about the exclusivity provision? Whatever Congress does, that provision remains in effect until a new statute is passed that amends or overrides it. And such a statute requires Judiciary Committee hearings and a floor vote, and proceedings in the House, and maybe a conference committee. Publicity.
Unless and until that happens, the entire program rides on the President's claim that FISA is unconstitutional -- a claim that is legally weak, even with Alito on the court, and that WILL start generating judicial opinions fairly soon as the citizen lawsuits keep coming. District Court opinion one way or the other: makes news. Court of Appeals opinion: makes news. SCOTUS takes case: makes news.
I gave this post some link-love at VichyDems under the header, "Sure, Driving Sober is ONE Way..."
Nice work.
That is, I don't have to accept Glenn's arguments, but there is no logical or legal position that would preclude a judicial review.
ReplyDeleteHow do we get one?
There are several ways this can happen:
(1) Many criminal defendants will be arguing for the exclusion of evidence based on the fact that it was obtained illegally through the warrantless NSA program. That may compel a determination as to the legality and/or constitutionality of those activities.
(2) If there is a whistle-blower prosecution for leaking the NSA program (or a prosecution of journalists), the illegality of the government activities which were leaked could be adjudicated as part of a defense asserted by the leakers and/or journalists.
(3) There are private causes of action asserted by various groups seeking to enjoin this program, and there may be related lawsuits against telecommunications companies, etc., which require courts to adjudicate the legality of the program;
(4) There has been some proposed legislation, such as from Sen. Specter, which would require the submission of the program's legality to the federal courts to adjudicate.
There are certainly other creative ways to obtain some judicial determination as to whether the Administration broke the law. And no matter what, the 4th Amendment issue will have to be decided (i.e., whether the 4th A. bars warrantless eavesdropping on Americans when the Gov't is investigating international terrorist groups -- a question expressly left open by the Supreme Court in 1972).
The problem with judicial resolutions is they are extremely sterile and they take forever. The Administration's law-breaking is sufficiently clear here that it ought to be the basis for Congressional investigation and action and, failing that, demands by the public for meaningful consequences.
whispers said...
ReplyDeleteGlenn,
The default format of your website appears to have a dark blue font against a dark brown wallpaper. It really is hard to read.
(Or maybe it's just me? I use Firefox.)
I think its you, somehow. I use either Firefox or MSN Explorer, depending on my mood, and in both, Glenn's blog appears as light brown background with dark brown print.
It's actually usually a little brighter in Firefox. There is a dark brown border, maybe that is somehow coming through and obscuring your view. (I'm no techie, maybe somebody else can solve this.)
A. L. has beautifully pointed out the logical inconsistencies that the administration's position requires. We have a constitutional crisis that no one wants to face up to.
ReplyDelete"Under the legal theories [Bush and Roberts] have publicly endorsed, FISA is unconstitutional."
As other commenters have said or implied, the only way constitutionality can be established is through the courts; certainly not by repeatedly making that assertion. But those who assert the unconstitutionality of FISA continue to block investigation into that central question. Pretty obvious why. No reason to expect that Specter's Judicial Committee will be any more inclined to get into that nasty can of worms either. Forcing a court case bringing this issue to the surface is probably the only way.
I love how arguments get framed:
ReplyDeleteAL - throws out the AUMF because of one lawyer's opinion.
AL - says FISA is the exclusive tool and it eliminates 100 percent of the president's inherent powers.
AL - says either FISA is unconstitutional or not, black or white, no middle ground.
We already know that the FISA Court of Review gave a hint on this, that FISA is constitutional and "AMPLIFIES" the inherent powers of the president by bringing him closer to a 4th amendment warrant system.
The court did not suggest FISA takes ALL inherent powers of the president away. The court suggested a system like that would be unconstitutional. Nor did it suggest that FISA is unconstitutional because it infringes on a president's all-powerful unrestrictive inherent powers.
FISA is the exclusive tool outside of a narrow band of inherent powers that the CIC has to protect this country. This is the only logical reasoning that is unless you want to apply AL's method of claiming he has debunked anything that doesn't fit his argument.
Magna Carta was important because it proclaimed that the king is subject to the law; Bush proclaims himself above the law, therefore, it is erroneous to refer to him as King George: George the Despot, George the Tyrant, George the Dictator would be more accurate.
ReplyDeleteBrian Boru
Seems to me that FISA does not dispense with the inherent powers of the presidency, it simply regulates them.
ReplyDeleteI believe there was an earlier post by Glenn on the difference between implied and enumerated powers. In addition, because warmaking powers are explicitly shared powers, it seems to me that Congressional regulation of the implied (CinC) presidential power is quite proper and lawful. That is, FISA is wholly constitutional.
Seems to me that FISA does not dispense with the inherent powers of the presidency, it simply regulates them.
ReplyDeleteI believe there was an earlier post by Glenn on the difference between implied and enumerated powers. In addition, because warmaking powers are explicitly shared powers, it seems to me that Congressional regulation of the implied (CinC) presidential power is quite proper and lawful. That is, FISA is wholly constitutional.
AL - throws out the AUMF because of one lawyer's opinion.
ReplyDeleteBoth and Glenn and I have explained on numerous occasions why the AUMF argument is rubbish. Moreover, as you can tell from Roberts op-ed, even he doesn't buy that argument. As far as I can tell, no one in Congress does. Kris' memo is just the latest nail in that coffin.
AL - says FISA is the exclusive tool and it eliminates 100 percent of the president's inherent powers.
One, you clearly don't understand what "inherent power" means. In most cases it simply means "default power." I'd recommend reading some of the past posts here and at my site. Second, FISA unquestionably purports to eleminate any executive ability to use other procedures for doing electronic surveillance. Do deny this is simply to refuse to read the statute.
AL - says either FISA is unconstitutional or not, black or white, no middle ground.
Well something is either constitutional or it's not. It's a binary question. Sometimes a certain provision can be struck, leaving the rest of the statute intact. But the point of my post was that if you strike the exclusivity provision, you render FISA meaningless.
They consistently take advantage of the "ignorance" of the American public to mislead them with hand-waving and fraudulent arguments. If Americans were required to learn some mathematics and physics before they can graduate from high school (let alone college), they would not end up with morons as leaders who, nevertheless, can outsmart them.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous's suggestion that FISA can be simultaneously constitutional and unconstitutional is best understood according the quantum mechanical principle of superposition of states. Intrinsically different from pregnancy, however.
ReplyDeleteAL, I have read your columns and articles, I just don't buy your argument that the president merely has default rules in a case that has clear judicial rulings post- FISA that completely contradict you.
ReplyDeleteFrom Duggan (1988)per the FISA Court of Review:
13 Interestingly, the court noted that the FISA judge “is not to second guess the Executive Branch official’s certification that the objective of the surveillance is foreign intelligence information.” Duggan, 743 F.2d at 77
Does this sound like the executive branch has zero inherent powers?
From the FISA Court of Review
"It was incumbent upon the court, therefore, to determine the boundaries of that constitutional authority in the case before it. We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President’s constitutional power. The question before us is the reverse, does FISA amplify the President’s power by providing a mechanism that at least approaches a classic warrant and which therefore supports the government’s contention that FISA searches are constitutionally reasonable."
How can this possibly be construed as the president having zero inherent powers since his "default powers" were taken away by FISA according to you?
The Court clearly recognizes the power, and it does not dispute it. In fact, it ruled that FISA laws "amplify" the president's power. Now you claim Bush has no power because FISA took it away, yet the FISA court clearly recognizes the power and in fact USES it to justify that FISA is constitutional!
Then we would be back to having Bush with inherent powers by default.
Your failure to acknowlege post-FISA rulings and expecially the FISA Court leaves a huge gap in you default powers logic.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAL, I have read your columns and articles, I just don't buy your argument that the president merely has default rules in a case that has clear judicial rulings post- FISA that completely contradict you.
From Duggan (1988)per the FISA Court of Review:
13 Interestingly, the court noted that the FISA judge “is not to second guess the Executive Branch official’s certification that the objective of the surveillance is foreign intelligence information.” Duggan, 743 F.2d at 77
Does this sound like the executive branch has zero inherent powers?
Could you please explain how the court's observation that the FISA judge is not to second guess the Executive Branch's certification of certain factual matters has anything to do with the Executive's inherent powers under the Constitution?
By the way, the rest of your post is total bullcrap, but since you are directly challenging AL's arguments, I will leave the matter of addressing the bulk of your discussion of the Duggan case in AL's extremely capable hands.
Anonymous:
ReplyDeleteTo clear up your confusion about the concept of inherent authority, I recommend that you read this column by Prof. Michael Dorf of Columbia.
On the subject of judicial review, it is worth reminding ourselves that Bush's Justice Department could have brought a test case to vindicate its purported "legal" theory any time, including now, but is afraid to do so.
ReplyDeleteSee this thread at The Volokh Conspiracy (where everyone's favorite troll, Bart, gets his head handed to him because he can't understand basic legal procedure.)
And keep in mind that if what Russ Feingold said Friday in his online chat is true [he's on the Intelligence Committee and said "...In Intell, [the Administration briefers] have appeared to make every effort not to tell us anything useful..." (Transcript here - or click above: http://www.progressivepatriotsfund.com/content/367)] -- Senator Pat Roberts is simply talking through his hat about the NSA program(s). Because Roberts almost certainly has NO IDEA what the NSA program(s) entail, if a fellow member of his Intelligence Committee is saying he hasn't learned anything "useful" about the operations of the NSA program(s)...
ReplyDelete[And remember, NO OTHER Committee or Member of Congress is ALLOWED to know such operational details; if the 35 members of the Intelligence Committees don't know, then NO ONE in the Congress knows.]
Bush knows the operational details, more or less, of course. But I doubt Roberts, or ANY Member of the Intelligence Committees does. We have the honest Russ Feingold to thank for this admission. Because Congress (Republicans AND Democrats) would otherwise happily keep such news of their dereliction of duty from the public, from all appearances.
Surely the media (or Congress) can publicly ask this question of EVERY member of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees:
"Are you satisfied, after being briefed in secret by the Administration, that you know the full extent and precise operating details and methods of the NSA warrantless surveillance program or programs?"
A yes or no answer to that question certainly gives away no state secrets or classified information, but it is CRITICAL to have in order to judge on what basis these 35 Members of Congress are acting, when amendments to the law and/or refusal to independently oversee and investigate the Executive Branch are asserted.
There's no doubt in my mind at all that what Shrub did (wiretap outside FIMA) was illegal.
ReplyDeleteWhat I don't understand is how the hell he is getting away with it?? Why are there not people jumping up and down all over the place screaming about this? Or, is the American public so comfortable with cable and fast food that they just couldn't be bothered?
So long as their sports program is uninterrupted of course.
My website http://hypocrisyandlies.blogspot.com/
... could people please make a few critical comments on the blog as to how I could improve it. Thanks.
whispers,
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Kovie, those are great analogies. Wile AL's argument was extremely convincing, your analogies really put it in proper terms, I think.
ReplyDeleteThanks!
Dave
So, if I'm interpreting this correctly, while red lights at intersections were installed to establish ways for avoiding traffic accidents, they provide but one way for me to decide whether or not to race through an intersection and avoid killing others and perhaps myself
ReplyDeleteThere are exceptions. Ambulances, fire trucks, and police officers can ignore traffic signals. Presidents of either party never stop at red lights when they're driving around; either do funeral processions.
I think you best select another example.
There are exceptions. Ambulances, fire trucks, and police officers can ignore traffic signals. Presidents of either party never stop at red lights when they're driving around; either do funeral processions.
ReplyDeleteYeah, the difference here is that FISA is a law directed specifically at the executive branch, not the general public. If executive branch officials don't have to follow it, then no one does.
Yeah, the difference here is that FISA is a law directed specifically at the executive branch, not the general public. If executive branch officials don't have to follow it, then no one does.
ReplyDeletePrecisely. Perhaps this law, promulgated by the notorious (Frank) Church Committee in the aftermath of Watergate, has outlived its usefullness.
Or do laws never outlive their usefullness?
"Precisely. Perhaps this law, promulgated by the notorious (Frank) Church Committee in the aftermath of Watergate, has outlived its usefullness."
ReplyDeleteAnd the appropriate response to this scenario would be to:
a. Decide that a law is obsolete.
b. Meet privately with the 4 highest ranking members of the congressional committee associated with this law.
c. Tell them that you are going to ignore this law.
d. Swear them to secrecy under penalty of law.
e. Tell them they can't ignore the law in "step d" by pulling the same crap you just did.
What's curious, is the larger pattern: Patriot Act, as did FISA, gave JTTF/NSA some lattitude, but the government keeps cross the line on what is already unconstitutional.
ReplyDeleteHere are some thoughts on the JTTF use of the retroactive-NSL, another of the President's classified-illegal programs [ Click ] -- right up there with domestic rendition/kidnapping of Americans [ Click ].
My browser is Safari, and I have the same problem: Glenn's posts are unreadable on the main page. Here's what I do about it:
ReplyDeleteClick on the comment link.
The comments come up with a link to the original post.
Click on that link, and the post comes up in the same format as the comment section.
My browser is Safari, and I have the same problem: Glenn's posts are unreadable on the main page. Here's what I do about it:
ReplyDeleteClick on the comment link.
The comments come up with a link to the original post.
Click on that link, and the post comes up in the same format as the comment section.
(Sorry for the double-post; the verification box came up again, so I thought it didn't go through the first time.)
ReplyDeletewess, "the people" aren't jumping up and down and demanding action because they know the GOP will ignore them, and the issue doesn't trouble them enough to bash their heads against a brick wall.
The good news is, this is just the latest of a long series of Bushist/GOP actions that are finally pissing the general public off good and proper. It's been a long slow process, but Bush's numbers are tanking and they won't come up again - precisely because erosion of his support has happened "organically."
Most people aren't politics junkies like us, aren't bloggers or commentators like us. Most people are generally willing to give the President the benefit of the doubt. Most people really don't want to see a President kicked out of office.
I think what Bush considers his validation - the 2004 victory - was more of a last chance from the voters; the last time they were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Since then, he's shown he's done nothing to deserve it; it's been one policy disaster after another for him, all very public and no longer spinnable in his favor.
They don't care enough about the NSA scandal to make much noise about it. But the NSA scandal is another straw on the already-broken camel's back. It's contributing to the general disgust - and, with any luck, that disgust will manifest in November 2006.
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ReplyDeleteend of discussion.
Well, if you say so.