Jose Padilla, the American citizen who was held without charges for three and a half years after being designated an enemy combatant by President Bush "two days before District Court Judge Michael Mukasey was to issue a ruling on the validity of continuing to hold Padilla under the material witness warrant," whom was transferred into civilian custody on indictments other than the "dirty bomb" claims the administrations had made to justify his loss of his rights as a citizen in a transparent ploy to avoid Supreme Court review of the administration's actions, is now being charged with conspiracy to "kill, injure or kidnap people overseas as part of a global Islamic terrorist network."
But even now the administration is still failing to make a case against Padilla. The AP reports that
A federal judge ordered prosecutors to turn over more evidence to back up allegations that Jose Padilla and two co-defendants conspired to kill, injure or kidnap people overseas as part of a global Islamic terrorist network.Jose Padilla spent 3.5 years of his life in jail, for charges that the administration is not willing to test in a court of law. Yet it is now bringing a case against Padilla that is "light on facts." This administration was willing to void Padilla's rights and lock him away indefinitely on the President's say-so, and it is bringing forth a case that is "light on facts."
U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke said Tuesday she agreed with claims made by defense attorneys that the indictment against Padilla and the others is "very light on facts" that would link the defendants to specific acts of terrorism or victims.
This is not justice. It is injustice.
But for a President that may have been willing to torture a mentally challenged man for political reasons, asking George Tenet, "you're not going to let me lose face on this, are you," I suppose it's par for the course.
Recall that in Keith Olberman's report "The Nexus of Terror and Politics" (see here for the video, here for the transcript) he noted that the announcement of Padilla's detention happily came at a time that the administration was being criticized for failing to act on pre-9/11 opportunities to break up the hijackers' plot.
June 6th, 2002. Colleen Rowley, the FBI agent who tried to alert her superiors to the specialized flight training taken by Zacarias Moussaoui, whose information suggests the government missed a chance to break up the 9/11 plot, testifies before Congress. Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Graham says Rowley’s testimony has inspired similar pre-9/11 whistle-blowers.Draw your own conclusions.
June 10th, 2002. Four days later, speaking from Russia, Attorney General John Ashcroft reveals that an American named Jose Padilla is under arrest, accused of plotting a radiation bomb attack in this country. Padilla had, by this time, already been detained for more than a month.
As an aside, the Washington Post's review of Ron Suskind's new book, The One Percent Doctrine, (linked above) reinforces the idea that the administration is operating under the assumption that "all is possible." This point is made by Cheney himself, who expressed the logic as such: "If there's a one percent chance that Pakistani scientists are helping al Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon, we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response."
"speaking from russia"? you couldn't have made that up if you tried...
ReplyDeleteBeyond a reasonable doubt, 1 percent, what's the difference? I'm scared and I need those people with funny sounding names locked up!
ReplyDeleteWhy am I suddenly reminded of the fact that there have been no arrests in the Anthrax mailing case? Oh yeah, because that involves a REAL terrorist.....
ReplyDeleteI think this is another sign that times are finally changing back to an empowered judiciary. Between this and the federal judges that are refusing to lay down in the pending wiretapping cases, I'm actually starting to have some hope again. The atrocious treatment of American citizens by its own government leaders is unforgivable, but at least there are some people trying to put it right.
ReplyDeleteThe torture of Abu Zubaydah reported by Suskind casts a new light on this 2004 Deborah Sontag NYT story on Padilla's history:
ReplyDeleteIn the spring of 2002, Abu Zubaydah, a senior official of Al Qaeda who was in American custody at an undisclosed location overseas, told his interrogators about Mr. Padilla and the alleged dirty bomb plot, government officials say.
He did not name Mr. Padilla but described him physically and referred to him as a Latin American man who went by a Muslim name, an official with the Department of Homeland Security said.
Intelligence agents began searching commercial and law enforcement databases under that Muslim name. At about the same time, Mr. Padilla was briefly detained in Pakistan on a passport violation. This helped a customs intelligence agent link the name given by Abu Zubaydah to "an Arab alias not mentioned by the detainee," the official said.
That "alias" led the agent to Mr. Padilla's Florida driver's license, the official said. The photo was shown to "a detainee," presumably Abu Zubaydah, who confirmed that Mr. Padilla was the "Latin American" he had been describing. The Pakistanis also viewed the photo and made a confirmation.
The frontline story "The Dark Side" filled in a lot of holes for me on the whole 9/11->Afganistan->Iraq timeline. It's on youtube if anyone is interested. But it's a PBS special, so keep in mind that they hate America.
ReplyDeleteJane's mother just died.
ReplyDeletenell: HOLY COW! I did not realize that Abu Zubaydah was the one who ID'd Padilla.
ReplyDeleteUnbelievable.
I do think that Jose Padilla prefers to go by his al-Qaeda name of Abdullah al-Mujahir. It is true that he has not been formally charged with a crime, but his ties to al-Qaeda have never been in question. These are the facts: He's a former convict, a foreign traveler to Afghanistan and Pakistan (receiving money from al-Qaeda operatives while there), a student of al-Qaeda "dirty bomb" techniques and a US Passport holder. Now, he hasn't been proven to have done anything "illegal" yet, and he hasn't been charged with a crime (damned due process), but we are at WAR! Doesn't the statement in the 5th amendment declaring "except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger" give us enough constitutional fortitude to hold him in detention? I suppose the liberal way of living is to wait for something to happen before actually responding. But if there is an imminent threat, and we can debate the subjective term "imminent" until we are blue in the face, to this country's safety, the government has a duty to protect us. By locking up Jose Padilla before he can unleash a plot he has certainly crafted and envisioned over and over during his traveling days between the US and Afghanistan, the US is protecting our safety. I find it hard to find fault in that.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you should spend your time with the next sentence of the 5th amendment and do something worthwhile.
From anonymous at 7:45PM:
ReplyDelete"By locking up Jose Padilla before he can unleash a plot he has certainly crafted and envisioned over and over during his traveling days between the US and Afghanistan, the US is protecting our safety. I find it hard to find fault in that."
Of course you don't. Nor do you find fault with the precedent this nonsense, which has been going on nonstop for roughly 1,095 days (give or take), sets for future detainments and detainees.
Why should you, after all? Its not as if you yourself will *ever* be in danger of being detained indefinitely, uncharged, and without access to either lawyers or legal recourse, is it?
"Maybe you should spend your time with the next sentence of the 5th amendment and do something worthwhile."
Maybe you should consider the consequences of these actions with a bit more thought before declaring it just or proper.
But then, its not as if *you* have anything to worry about, is it, comrade citizen?
Posted by anonymous at 7:45 p.m.: "I suppose the liberal way of living is to wait for something to happen before actually responding."
ReplyDeleteThis characterization of geopolitical recourse as having only two possibilities (wait and suffer! or preempt and destroy!) and two adherents (liberal kumbayas and conservative warhawks) continues to baffle me.
I have yet to meet a U.S. citizen liberal that thinks nothing should be done to prevent injury to our nation (although, granted, I've probably only met a few 1,000 people in my life, so my survey population is small relative to the national total). However, I have met a number of U.S. citizens who believe in the due-process of law and that it should be extended to everyone, not just a select few.
anonymous at 7:45 p.m. posted: "By locking up Jose Padilla before he can unleash a plot he has certainly crafted and envisioned over and over"
I hadn't heard this, but then there is much that does escape me. If you have any citations or data pointing to record that indicates such, I am curious to read it. My understanding was that part of the problem with this situation is that there doesn't seem to be record available because, well, there hasn't been any due process, no lawyer-client contact, etc.
Nevertheless, my expertise in such things is severely limited, and wiser and more knowledgeable commenters at this blog can certainly clarify the issue better than I.
Thanks for your time.
Rob
You might want to consider the meaning of the phrase "when in actual service," if you want that to fly.
ReplyDeleteYou might also want to work out exactly which branch of the military you think Padilla was serving in.
No-one's objecting to arresting Padilla and trying him. Declaring someone arrested inside the US a sorta-but-not-really POW is absurd.
"The next sentence of the fifth amendment"???
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Count the periods, dude. There's one sentence there.
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ReplyDeleteObviously I need to use <broad sarcasm> tags.
ReplyDeleteexcept in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia
ReplyDeleteThat refers to the DEFENDANT being in the militay.
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ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDelete"By locking up Jose Padilla before he can unleash a plot he has certainly crafted and envisioned over and over during his traveling days between the US and Afghanistan, the US is protecting our safety. I find it hard to find fault in that."
Wow, we apparently have a true psychic in our midst.
Want to guess what I'm thinking?
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ReplyDeleteI was in Utah when this was announce (in the middle of the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping) and the news had an administration official admit it had been announced because it was thought it would help the president's standing.
ReplyDeleteI recall this because I was croggled that they would admit it.
TK
No worries, and sorry about losing my temper.
ReplyDeleteIt's about 10 degrees past sanity here in California.
I'll delete my snippy comments, too.
If there is a 1% chance this administration will destroy the constitution, we should consider that a certainty
ReplyDeleteThere is a 100% certainty that the administration, enabled by a feeble (and largely far right wing) Congress and an ineffectual, if not downright irresponsible media, is in the process of destroying the separation of powers clauses of the Constitution.
With respect to Padilla, the conservative Cato Insitute had this to say with regard to the Bush Administration assertions therein, and with respect to its assertions of power, the Constitution (and sometimes the laws that it itself signs) notwithstanding.
Time is short:
ReplyDeleteAt counterpunch:
"The Biggest Employee Buyout in American History General Motors' historic offer to every employee -
take the cash and walk away. The biggest employee buyout in American history."
Published on Thursday, June 22, 2006 by the San Francisco Chronicle
Rich City Poor City: Middle-class Neighborhoods Are Disappearing from the Nation's Cities, Leaving Only High- and Low-Income Districts, New Study Says
by Tyche Hendricks
Wherever did that 1% come from? Political convenience rather than informed guess? Then again Cheney fingers Pakistani scientists as developing AQ's nuclear capabilities but cuts and runs from Afghanistan, its restive neighbour, and unleashes shock and awe on Iraq. This was no mistake but a calculated imperialist strategy to control the Persian Gulf. The flaw was the absence of political risk analysis beyond the itch to play with expensive toys. I am curious to this day as to why in 2004, three years after 9/11, Democrats couldn't come up with an effective strategy that focused on Chaney/Rumsfeld role in the Nixon era politics. Cheney by then had been expansive enough about bunkum ideas of unitary executive, yet Democrats simply reacted, ineffectively at that, to all that swiftboating to denigrate Kerry's military service record. We need to learn effective strategic planning to win - even Gandhi's and King's doctrine of non-violence focuses on strategic planning. In our world there is no given that good will necessarily prevail, chances are it will not when good men do nothing.
ReplyDeletesona,
ReplyDeleteTheir strategy appears to be to keep their powder dry indefinitely.
Never know when it might come in handy and such.
Sigh.
I didn't know the US was at war. I must have missed the news of congress declaring war...on an abstract concept. Can you link me to the roll call, I'd like to view the vote-counts.
ReplyDeleteYou know, you think these people would have noticed that the recriminations for locking up the Japanese in internment camps during WWII has only recently abated. They get a new psuedo-war and they want to go around locking people up without charges all over again.
Lessons learned hard are supposed to be lessons well learned...
I would add that there were legitimate concerns about al Qaeda aquiring nuclear material, and Pakistani scientists were participating in a nuclear black market.
ReplyDeleteWhich is why its so dangerous for an administration that's chief operating principle seems to be confirmation bias to be running the show.
I'd recommend Graham Allison's Nuclear Terrorism (I know I've mentioned it before) for more on this subject. It's not that long, and can be read in a couple of days.
The other book I recommend, as one to try to communicate to people across the political spectrum the problems with the Bush administration, is the Price of Loyalty also by Ron Suskind. In that, the reader witness Paul O'Neal's growing disillusionment with an administration that appears, to him, to place loyalty to ideology over loyalty to the pursuit of truth.
Sorry, that item about the buyout was at Truth Out not Counter Punch
ReplyDeleteYou know, it is so frustrating for someone who comes here to learn. Many of the comments qualify for inclusion in "Fantasy and Science Fiction" and they are tolerated without comment by the regulars. Since I don't know the "real" commenters from the tolerated "asylum patients" (they seem to exchange places, depending upon the issue at hand)it is extremely difficult to follow the lines of thought.
ReplyDeletePerhaps this is a device used to exclude outsiders - certainly the overt comments seem to have that aim.
I understand that few commenters have the express purpose of educating anyone about anything. However, other blogs which have an informal policy of pointing out idiocy in commenters are much easier to follow.
I visit from the real world. There the economy is doing well, progress is being made (after much frustration) in Iraq and the major issues are illegal immigration and the high price of gasoline.
Dropping into the world of Constitutional Crisis, Fascist Presidency and neocon conspiracy is somewhat difficult. I guess one needs immersion in the bubble in order to understand things.
Some of the comments make sense, so I keep trying. Say one out of ten. The other folks seem to live in a different plane.
So that is why I complain. Yes, I know. You think I am the one living in the different plane. No need to tell me that. For what it is worth, I am a Bush hater on spending and most social issues, a Bush apologist on the rest and a Bush supportter on Iraq (or the GWOT, but let's cut to the chase). However, I am open to change so I don't represent anyone I hear described in these comments.
Just frustrated is all. Thanks for listening.
notherbob: I visit from the real world. There the economy is doing well, progress is being made (after much frustration) in Iraq and the major issues are illegal immigration and the high price of gasoline.
ReplyDeleteI think I can relate to much of this. But I also know that I and others see the economy as a paycheck-to-paycheck, age discrimination, job instability, no health insurance, stagnating income, and growing debt.
I understand that you might be one of those lucky ones who don't have to worry any or all of these things. Count yourself lucky--but then there' always the question about why you got so lucky and others didn't, others who probably have just as much education, skill, talent, intelligence as you.
I won't even begin to mention those who aren't so blessed as you, I or others with similar blessings. I find that I have to desensitize myself to a lot of other people's reality which includes these things to salve conscience. Or is conscience just a bad word these days?
notherbob2:
ReplyDeleteYou know, it is so frustrating for someone who comes here to learn....
Well, I can understand the frustration ... some folks are just slow, and need "special education" to stand a chance of making progress, much less keeping up.
;-)
Say, you might see if you can first learn not to make it so damn easy....
Cheers,
notherbob2:
ReplyDeleteI visit from the real world. There the economy is doing well, [...] and the major issues are illegal immigration and the high price of gasoline.
I can definitely see the source of your frustration.....
Cheers,
notherbob2 said...
ReplyDelete"I visit from the real world. There the economy is doing well, progress is being made (after much frustration) in Iraq and the major issues are illegal immigration and the high price of gasoline."
Personally I think you are a concern troll, but on the off chance you're not I'm going to answer you.
The economy is good if you are rich and in the investor class, not so good if you aren't. The majority of the U.S. population falls into the latter category.
"The Biggest Employee Buyout in American History General Motors' historic offer to every employee -
take the cash and walk away. The biggest employee buyout in American history."
Mabe you don't consider it a big deal that the largest U.S. auto company is buying out ALL of their U.S. employees but I do. Especially since 3 million other manufacturing jobs have also been lost since Bush took office.
Published on Thursday, June 22, 2006 by the San Francisco Chronicle
Rich City Poor City: Middle-class Neighborhoods Are Disappearing from the Nation's Cities, Leaving Only High- and Low-Income Districts, New Study Says
by Tyche Hendricks
And mabe you don't consider this a big deal either. But when the middle class (we are not talking about the poor here) are getting to the point that they cannot afford to buy a house then we are really starting to look like a third world country. You know Bob, all the ones in the world that have only the very rich and the very poor with nothing in between. One of the major strengths of the U.S. has always been the fact that it has had a middle class. A group wiyh the opportunity to move up in life and create an accumulation of weath that can be passed to your children. That doesn't exist when you have only the very rich and the very poor.
Let's look at some other aspects of this economy that you claim is good.
American Families Pile Up Debt From 2001 to 2004 Federal Reserve Survey Finds
Economic Policy Group Responds: "We need bold measures to secure opportunity, household security in 21st Century Economy"
"This report confirms what our research has shown over the years—that growing numbers of American households face mounting debt and financial instability. Every American should be able to achieve middle class economic security, a hallmark of national and household stability in this country. But the Federal Reserve's findings spotlight trends that are causing economic fragility in today's middle class and are closing the door on low-income Americans that are trying to reach it.
Federal Minimum Wage at Lowest Point in 50 Years
The substantial share of minimum wage workers are adults making significant contributions to the total family income. In the early 2000s, fewer than one-in-five minimum wage workers was under the age of 20 and half were between ages 25 and 54.
And that 3 dollars a gallon gas significantly impacts those people working for minimum wage. Especially out west where public transportation is scarce and people have to have a car to get to work.
Bush's rosy picture contradicts certain economic facts. He attributed to tax cuts and free trade policies the news that "The Dow Jones rose above 11,000 in February on the basis of good economic news." An NPR reporter explained that "mild January weather spurred home starts."
I don't know what "above 11,000" means, but why doesn't the Dow react to the nearly $730 billion U.S. trade deficit? This all-time record was dwarfed, however, by the $8.2 trillion national debt. The supposedly conservative Republicans spend like addicts hooked on wasting the public's money.
Bush (41), Clinton and Bush (43) promised that NAFTA would buoy the US trade balance. It would also help create enough jobs in Mexico to cut back illegal border crossings. Promise 'em anything! Despite the maquila jobs created by NAFTA, Mexicans have not significantly raised their standard of living. Some 60 million of the 100 million people there live under the poverty line.
After Congress approved the trade treaty in 1993, US companies raced faster than ever to Mexico to take advantage of low wage labor, the absence of environmental and work place regulation--and no taxes.
Clinton was right about increasing US jobs, however. The $35 an hour skilled auto worker lost his job to a Mexican who made one tenth the amount. After losing his job, the auto worker might have begun bagging groceries in Safeway for $12 an hour; so did his wife, who used to stay home with the kids. Compare their combined $24 an hour with his previous $35. But thanks to NAFTA, the family had two jobs instead of one. And, a third job arose from this new economic agreement: the couple hired a baby sitter for $7 an hour.
Since the election of Ronald Reagan the wealth of the nation has more than doubled. Per capita, Americans are now 70 percent richer than they were in 1979. Where have these several trillion dollars of new affluence gone?
For poor people, the answer is clear: Essentially none of this wealth has come their way. Adjusted for inflation, the tenth percentile of after-tax family income is almost exactly the same today as it was in 1979 - about $13,500 (note this means that 30 million Americans live on even less). For the middle class, the situation is only slightly different. In 1979, the average middle-class family had an after-tax income of $38,000; today that figure is about $43,700, meaning that over the past quarter-century the average American family has seen its income rise by about $200 per year.
As for this particular thread, notherbob2, ask yourself this: why don't we live in tinfoil-hatland?
ReplyDeleteWhy can't any President just throw their political opponents into prison? Because the fifth amendment requires them to present charges to a grand jury, and the sixth requires a trial by jury.
The Bill of Rights, though, is only as strong as it is enforcable. In the Padilla case, the Bush administration has asserted the right to hold a US citizen arrested inside the US indefinitely without trial or even a grand jury indictment. Regardless of whether Padilla is guilty or not, such a precedent would render the fifth and sixth amendments meaningless in the future. That's worth fighting, regardless of your opinions on Bush's foreign policy or Padilla's guilt.
I blogged about this back in April when the Supreme Court refused to take the case. If they can do it to Padilla they can do it to anyone of us citizens.
ReplyDeleteJustice Ginsburg foresaw that if the criminal charges go nowhere for Padilla that they might try to re-classify him as an enemey combatant.
"Nothing the government has yet done purports to retract the assertion of executive power Padilla protests," Justice Ginsburg said, adding that "nothing prevents the executive from returning to the road it earlier constructed and defended." She said she was "satisfied that this case is not moot."(article behind the NY Times firewall)
Stand by, tomorrow Bush is going to claim they foiled a plot against the Sears Tower. Somehow, I find it very suspicious that suddenly there's all these terrorists living in W's brother's neck of the woods. Five more citizens to strip of their rights.
Rixor said...
ReplyDeleteStand by, tomorrow Bush is going to claim they foiled a plot against the Sears Tower. Somehow, I find it very suspicious that suddenly there's all these terrorists living in W's brother's neck of the woods. Five more citizens to strip of their rights.
Yeah, I read that tonight about the Sears tower. A lot more hokus pokus if you ask me. Especially since they were careful to point out that no foreign terrorist groups including Al Qaida were involved.
notherbob2 laments,
ReplyDeleteDropping into the world of Constitutional Crisis, Fascist Presidency and neocon conspiracy is somewhat difficult.
Not nearly so difficult as dropping into the world of "liberals are traitorous scum and should be hung", "islamofascists are on the verge of world domination" and "America is so weak it must roll back a few amendments to survive", let me assure you.
Not to worry anyone, but has anyone thought about the last time the Administration brought someone "to justice"?
ReplyDeleteDo these clowns even know the meaning of the word?
NotherBob, are you aware that Bush and his accomplices planned on invading Iraq years before the little idiot became President?
ReplyDeleteThis is very well documented. The GWOT is nothing but a cover for a plan that was created back in the 90s.
I can only imagine the relief/glee that Cheney, Rumsfeld, et.al must have felt watching the twin towers fall. At last they had the cataclysmic event they needed to launch their failed-as we now know it to be-invasion.
PhD9 said...
ReplyDeleteWhy am I suddenly reminded of the fact that there have been no arrests in the Anthrax mailing case? Oh yeah, because that involves a REAL terrorist.....
Because that was a case of domestic right wing terrorism.
Stand by, tomorrow Bush is going to claim they foiled a plot against the Sears Tower
ReplyDeleteFrom MSNBC:
Batiste allegedly met last December in a hotel room with someone posing as a representative of al-Qaida — someone law enforcement officials say was actually an agent of a foreign country friendly to the United States.
At first, Batiste had a fairly modest list of what he wanted: "boots, uniforms, machine guns, radios, and vehicles," according to the documents.
In February, Batiste said he wanted to attend an al-Qaida training camp to "kill all the devils we can" in a mission he said "would be just as good or greater than 9/11," beginning with the destruction of the Sears Tower.
Looks like a homegrown nutjob case.
My personal feeling is that the constant drumbeat of fear the administration has been pounding actually encourages this sort of "copycat" behavior among the whack-nuts who want to do something "important" with their lives.
The primary conspirator apparently made first contact with a mole. It will be interesting to see if anyone claims that the NSA program brought these people to the FBI's attention or not.
I'm sure no one actually in the administation will make that claim (in fear of tainting the trial evidence) but count on it resonating through the echo chamber anyway.
Al Qaeda was not involved with the anthrax attacks in any way.
ReplyDeleteThis web site was started on November 22, 2001, to keep track of facts related to the anthrax attacks which had become a major news event during the previous month. I found that most people only wanted to discuss beliefs, opinions and conspiracy theories. I wanted to see what the facts said. Plus, news stories were appearing and then being deleted, and I needed a place to retain the articles which contained new information.
I didn't expect the investigation to last very long. But it did. And my analysis of the facts became more and more detailed as I examined the handwriting on the letters, various conspiracy theories, the nature of the anthrax, the nature of bioweapons, etc.
As the years passed, the site got bigger and bigger, until people who only had dial-up modems started complaining that it was taking forever to access the main page just to see if there was any news or any new comments. So, early in 2005 I created the new "first page" which you are now reading and froze the original main page, leaving it basically as it was at that time.
In addition, in December of 2004, some key facts had suddenly fallen into place for me, facts which - when viewed from the proper angle - suddenly revealed exactly how the media got nearly everything about the case so terribly wrong. That realization seemed to wrap up my analysis, as far as I was concerned. All that I needed from that point on was to see if my analysis was correct or incorrect. On March 1, 2005, I self-published my book "Analyzing The Anthrax Attacks" to summarize my analysis. (The key realization about how the media got onto the wrong track is detailed in the Sample Chapter.) My primary findings were as follows:
1. Dr. Steven Jay Hatfill is innocent of any connection to the anthrax attacks, and his life was ruined by a band of politically-motivated conspiracy theorists who conned the media, the public and government officials into forcing the FBI to publicly investigate him. Links: 1 - 2 - 3
2. The culprit almost certainly used a child to write the anthrax letters and to address the anthrax envelopes. Links: 1 - 2
3. In the tense and panicky first few days of the investigation, mistakes were made at USAMRIID and the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP) which were unfortunately leaked to the media. The result was that the silly mistakes and false assumptions were turned into false headlines which misled the world and continue to mislead the world about the nature of the attack anthrax to this day. Links: 1 - 2
4. Despite all the erroneous media headlines and made up theories, the attack anthrax was not artificially coated in any way and did not contain any additives as so many scientists and media people believe. That basic misconception has caused much of the scientific community and the media to look in the wrong direction for the culprit. Links: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 - 13 - 14 - 15 - 16
5. The cause of Kathy Nguyen's anthrax exposure was never properly investigated because the investigators were caught up in the thinking of the moment and didn't look at the "whole picture". Link: 1
6. The common belief that Bob Stevens was exposed to anthrax as a result of examining the so-called "J-Lo letter" is total nonsense and just more of the thinking of the moment. It doesn't stand up against facts. Link: 1
7. The anthrax powder in the attack letters was a "garden variety" powder and was most likely made in either a commercial lab, a university lab or a hospital lab in Central New Jersey that is still in use. Link: 1
8. The anthrax mailer most likely lives and works in Central New Jersey and has not been arrested because the FBI has not yet obtained sufficient evidence to make an arrest. It is hoped (and possibly expected) that the new science of microbial forensics will produce the evidence that is lacking for a conviction. Link: 1
9. The motivation for the attacks was almost certainly to awaken America to the danger of a bioweapons attack by Muslim terrorists - particularly any Muslim terrorists that might be living or staying in Central New Jersey. Link: 1
10. The anthrax mailer probably has no direct connection to any source of the Ames strain of anthrax and probably never worked for any government lab. Link: 1
11. The person who removed the Ames anthrax from the lab where it was being used for medical research is almost certainly not the same person who refined and mailed the anthrax. Link: 1
12. Al Qaeda was not involved with the anthrax attacks in any way. Link: 1
phd9:
ReplyDeleteThe primary conspirator apparently made first contact with a mole. It will be interesting to see if anyone claims that the NSA program brought these people to the FBI's attention or not.
Nah. Probably the neighbours who got all worried thes folks wore funny hats ("turbans") and prayed to that infidel gawd Allah....
I'm guessing we're seeing the resurgence of Cointelpro, now that we've gotten over the lunacy of the FISA laws.....
Cheers,
The article covered a simple motion to compel discovery by the defense, which is not at all unusual in a federal criminal case, where the discovery rules compel less production from the prosecution than in most states.
ReplyDeleteThe feds often wait until the last minute to reveal their cards because they can.
Federal trials are more like the old fashioned trial by ambush.
The question is what evidence will actually be presented at trial and what affirmative defenses, if any, Padilla will use.
Stay tuned.
As a criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, I will be paying close attention to this one.
BTW, if any of you here have a federal criminal practice, the Supremes in Dixon v. US just released a fascinating fractured decision concerning what role the courts have in determining the parameters of affirmative criminal defenses which are not discussed in the federal criminal statutes.
> http://www.supremecourtus.gov/
opinions/05pdf/05-7053.pdf
Arne... I'm guessing we're seeing the resurgence of Cointelpro, now that we've gotten over the lunacy of the FISA laws.....
ReplyDeleteCheers,
Assuming it ever really went away...
COINTELPRO
ReplyDeleteWhy should you, after all? Its not as if you yourself will *ever* be in danger of being detained indefinitely, uncharged, and without access to either lawyers or legal recourse, is it?
ReplyDeleteElect me President and I assure you that he will be detained without charge and without contact with anyone but guards for the entirety of my 8 years in office. Elect me and I WILL do this. Actions/positions must have consequences. Anti-Constitution, anti-Americans need to experience (apparently) the fruits of their labors to destroy liberty and rule of law. I'm just the guy to instruct them.
notherbob2 said...
ReplyDeleteThere the economy is doing well, progress is being made (after much frustration) in Iraq and the major issues are illegal immigration and the high price of gasoline.
I don't think ANYONE really knows WTF the economy is doing one way or the other. With the killing rate rising in Iraq, self-rule years away (yes, years), infrastructure still in disarray (remember that $8 BILLION that was "lost"?) I don't understand how anyone can say progress is being made. The immigration issue was created to divert attention away from the above and I suggest you head to Europe where gas prices are triple what they are here.
HWSNBN fluffs his resume once again:
ReplyDeleteAs a criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, I will be paying close attention to this one.
LOL. Student intern in the Florida OSA becomes "prosecutor" (or in prior posts and his web splooge, he "served" as a "criminal prosecutor"). Guess I must be a world-famed "civil litigator" as well....
You know, maybe if HWSNBN spent more time in class back then, he might know the criteria for summary judgement motions.
Whatta blow-hard.
Cheers,
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteIf I weren't so cynical, I would be disappointed.
My advice, which is worth even less than what I am charging--
- Read the SEC documents about Jerome.
- Search out and read Jerome's stock related postings.
- Ruminate over the pit that has developed in your stomach.
- Run as far and as fast as you can from this thing.
It is entirely possible that Jerome found religion and changed his ways. It is also entirely possible that Jerome sees political partisans as even easier marks than the victims of his stock scams.
He certainly has been more successful in the political arena.
"If there's a one percent chance that Pakistani scientists are helping al Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon, we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response."
ReplyDeleteSo... shouldn't it follow that if there's even a 1 percent chance that global warming is real, and that massive climate change will kill millions of people, we have to treat it as a certainty?
You should get right on that, Dick.
I find it utterly bizarre that so-called conservatives (really Bush loyalists) continue to assert that the economy is doing great. They support the now-socialist Republican party's ever-growing pork barrel policies. They support any amount of spending on their precious pre-emptive war.
ReplyDeleteThis, more than anything, this denial of the facts of our economic situation, convinced me that the Republican party has largely lost its shit.
For one thing, it has almost NOTHING to do with Bush specifically. But Freedom Fryers invariably contend that the economy is great, despite all evidence to the contrary. They view any criticism of this government's spending practices as an attack on their president! It's crazy!
For another thing, it requires a level of self-deception and intentional ignorance of fact previously confined to folks like hardcore Randroids and Marxists.
When corrected for inflation, our GDP is not growing. Home ownership is high, and almost entirely mortgaged out the ass! Average household debt shot past average household income about 8 months ago.
The real threat to our economy is our pile of debt, both at the household and national levels. This debt continues to accrue at ever-increasing rates!
If the conservative movement in America has any integrity left, it will quit this knee-jerk,m make-a-wish Tinkerbell economic rhetoric and start demanding that our representatives deal with the problem (to whatever extent is still possible at this point.)
I have seen bad economies. This isn't.
I don't know where you live, but here in the midwest, I know people being evicted because they cannot pay their mortgages, many people who cannot get any sort of healthcare, and many others who are cutting down to only one or zero vehicles per family. Things are getting tight, and the numbers say (whether you want to admit it or not!) that they will get tighter before they get looser.
When you say this:
ReplyDeleteWhen the news headlines say this:
The national homeownership rate is at record levels
and you neglect to mention that so are foreclosures and bankruptcies, and the housing bubble was a function of artificially low interest rates, you just look like another one of idiots that troll here.
The desperation of these trollish pricks is palpable. They see it all slipping away and the bullshit no longer flies and the mud doesn't stick. Hurry up, Novemeber.
ReplyDeleteGrand old man of literature and dissdence, Gore Vidal has some choice words for the "little Bush." On Bush and his "war," and the media's connivance in the whole fiasco, Vidal says:
ReplyDelete"Little Bush says we are at war, but we are not at war because to be at war Congress has to vote for it. He says we are at war on terror, but that is a metaphor, though I doubt if he knows what that means. It's like having a war on dandruff, it's endless and pointless. We are in a dictatorship that has been totally militarised, everyone is spied on by the government itself. All three arms of the government are in the hands of this junta.
"Whatever you are," he goes on, "they say you are the reverse. The men behind the war in Iraq are cowards who did not fight in Vietnam - but they spent millions of dollars proving that John Kerry, who was a genuine war hero whatever you think of his politics, was a coward.
"This is what happens when you have control of the media, and I have never known the media more vicious, stupid and corrupt than they are now."
Now that's speaking truth to power with wit and charm.
Assinonymous..I suppose the liberal way of living is to wait for something to happen before actually responding.
ReplyDeleteYou are right! It's much better to invade a country that had nothing to do with the attack on us. Like going to put out a fire in a house that is not burning yet, while another house is still burning. Brilliant! Keep those brilliant ideas coming. It's more entertaining than the Bush and Republican plan for victory in Iraq!
Reclaim the Issues - "Occupation, Not War"
ReplyDeleteby Thom Hartmann
Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "War in Iraq" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames.
There is no longer a war against Iraq.
It ended in May of 2003, when George W. Bush stood below a "Mission Accomplished" sign aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln and correctly declared that we had "victoriously" defeated the Iraqi army and overthrown their government.
Our military machine is tremendously good at fighting wars - blowing up infrastructure, killing opposing armies, and toppling governments. We did that successfully in Iraq, in a matter of a few weeks. We destroyed their army, wiped out their air defenses, devastated their Republican Guard, seized their capitol, arrested their leaders, and took control of their government. We won the war. It's over.
What we have now is an occupation of Iraq.
The occupation began when the war ended, and continues to this day. According to our own Pentagon estimates, at least ninety five percent of those attacking our soldiers are Iraqi civilians who view themselves as anti-occupation fighters. And last week both the Defense Minister and the Vice President of Iraq asked us for a specific date on which the occupation would end.
The distinction between "war" and "occupation" is politically critical for 2006 because wars can be won or lost, but occupations most honorably end by redeployments.
(...)
While Americans hate to lose wars, we're generally pleased to wrap up occupations. We had no problem with ending our occupation of The Philippines, numerous South Pacific islands, and the redeployment of our troops stationed in nations conquered in World War II (Japan and Germany) from broad-based "occupation" to locally based "assistance." (Although we still have troops in Japan and Germany, neither country has been functionally "occupied" by us since the late 1940s and the "legal" occupation of both ended shortly thereafter. It should also be remembered that not a single American life was lost because of hostile fire in either brief post-war occupation.)
If Democrats can succeed over the next three months in making it clear to average Americans that the "War In Iraq" ended in 2003, and that we're now engaged in an "Occupation Of Iraq," then Democratic suggestions to end or greatly diminish the occupation will take on a resonance and cogency that will both help them in an election year, and help to bring our soldiers to safety and Iraq to stability.
On the other hand, if Democrats are perceived as pushing for America to "lose the war in Iraq," they will be vilified and damned by Republicans and many swing voters, and could thus lose big in 2006.
The "War" is over. The Occupation has now lasted 3 years and one month - far longer than necessary....
Reclaim the Issues - "Occupation, Not War"
ReplyDeleteby Thom Hartmann
Every time the media - or a Democrat - uses the phrase "War in Iraq" they are promoting one of Karl Rove's most potent Republican Party frames.
There is no longer a war against Iraq.
It ended in May of 2003, when George W. Bush stood below a "Mission Accomplished" sign aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln and correctly declared that we had "victoriously" defeated the Iraqi army and overthrown their government.
Our military machine is tremendously good at fighting wars - blowing up infrastructure, killing opposing armies, and toppling governments. We did that successfully in Iraq, in a matter of a few weeks. We destroyed their army, wiped out their air defenses, devastated their Republican Guard, seized their capitol, arrested their leaders, and took control of their government. We won the war. It's over.
What we have now is an occupation of Iraq.
The occupation began when the war ended, and continues to this day. According to our own Pentagon estimates, at least ninety five percent of those attacking our soldiers are Iraqi civilians who view themselves as anti-occupation fighters. And last week both the Defense Minister and the Vice President of Iraq asked us for a specific date on which the occupation would end.
The distinction between "war" and "occupation" is politically critical for 2006 because wars can be won or lost, but occupations most honorably end by redeployments.
(...)
While Americans hate to lose wars, we're generally pleased to wrap up occupations. We had no problem with ending our occupation of The Philippines, numerous South Pacific islands, and the redeployment of our troops stationed in nations conquered in World War II (Japan and Germany) from broad-based "occupation" to locally based "assistance." (Although we still have troops in Japan and Germany, neither country has been functionally "occupied" by us since the late 1940s and the "legal" occupation of both ended shortly thereafter. It should also be remembered that not a single American life was lost because of hostile fire in either brief post-war occupation.)
If Democrats can succeed over the next three months in making it clear to average Americans that the "War In Iraq" ended in 2003, and that we're now engaged in an "Occupation Of Iraq," then Democratic suggestions to end or greatly diminish the occupation will take on a resonance and cogency that will both help them in an election year, and help to bring our soldiers to safety and Iraq to stability.
On the other hand, if Democrats are perceived as pushing for America to "lose the war in Iraq," they will be vilified and damned by Republicans and many swing voters, and could thus lose big in 2006.
The "War" is over. The Occupation has now lasted 3 years and one month - far longer than necessary....
Tin Foil Hat.... I visit from the real world. There the economy is doing well, progress is being made (after much frustration) in Iraq and the major issues are illegal immigration and the high price of gasoline.
ReplyDeleteDropping into the world of Constitutional Crisis, Fascist Presidency and neocon conspiracy is somewhat difficult. I guess one needs immersion in the bubble in order to understand things.
Some of the comments make sense, so I keep trying. Say one out of ten. The other folks seem to live in a different plane.
Bwahahahahaha! You must be on Snoop Dogg's Soul Plane with Bart, The stupid and ugly american, the fly and the dog! You don't have to try so hard to be funny. Just be yourself and tell us what you really think.
It's also quite possible-- indeed likely-- 9/11 was an inside job. And "Al Qaida" (al-CIA-da) is all a scam.
ReplyDeletein any case-- 1% chance of a terrorist strike, the government goes all out to stop it. If there's 0.9% chance, forget it.
ReplyDeletewho gets to decide these percentages anyway?
The Road To Guantánamo (2006)
ReplyDeleteReviewed by Adrian Hennigan
Updated 07 March 2006 Contains strong interrogation scenes and language
Think you've had the holiday from Hell? Wait till you see what happened to a trio of West Midlanders in Michael Winterbottom and Mat Whitecross' compelling docu-drama about the Tipton Three and how they ended up being branded terrorists by the American Government. Told specifically from the point of view of the three who survived the ordeal, this is a damning indictment of both Guantánamo Bay and the US government's insistence on detaining prisoners there without trial.
Mixing filmed interviews with the actual Tipton Three - Shafiq Rasul, Ruhel Ahmed, and Asif Iqbal - with recreations of their experiences using unknown actors, The Road To Guantánamo is not easy viewing (and we're not just talking about the trio's stomach ailments as they initially travel through Pakistan and Afghanistan). After being caught in the wrong place at the wrong time, their subsequent brutal treatment at the hands of the US Army and Marines is mercilessly chronicled, from their internment in Afghanistan to eventual imprisonment in Guantánamo Bay itself (kitted out in those now-iconic orange boiler suits, of course).
"BLURRING THE LINE BETWEEN FACT AND FICTION"
Winterbottom and Whitecross also use actual news reports, successfully blurring the line between fact and fiction still further. After the protagonists' troubles start, the story becomes more repetitive and less clear, which is probably why a narrator is suddenly introduced towards the end of proceedings. Still, if you accept the fact that Guantánamo isn't a film seeking to address wider political issues, this is one Road movie you really should see.
-Rotten Tomatoes.com
Juan Cole on the Seas of David cult that Ubu-Bush et al. are calling "militant Muslim" jihadists. When will Bush, Gonzales, Cheney, etc. get their heads out of their ethnocentric asses and realize that not everybody can be lumped in with Islam?
ReplyDeleteCole writes:
This Seas of David group primarily seems to have been studying the Bible. The mother of one insisted that he is a Catholic. Then there is all that Jewish symbology and terminology, even in their names. Islam was nothing more for them but a set of symbols they could pull into their syncretic local culture. The group drew on poor Haitian immigrants and local indigent African-American youth. If this were the 1960s, they'd have been Black Panthers or Communists.
American folk religion, pursued in small groups with charismatic leaders, is replete with such groups, from Father Divine to Jim Jones of the People's Temple to David Koreish.
The group never got past the stage of talking big, and violently. They talked dangerously, and some sort of intervention was warranted. Since they begged the FBI informant for "shoes," they weren't exactly a well-heeled group that seems very dangerous in actual practice. And, to what extent did the FBI informant press an al-Qaeda connection on these otherwise clueless but imaginative zealots?
Shooter242: I notice that he had a reference and you don't.
ReplyDeleteYou want a reference, you can't look up the most widely available information?
You don't believe foreclosures are up?
Last year: around 60,000 foreclosed homes listed on foreclosures.com
Today, around 112,000. Nearly double. This only took 30 seconds to find on Google.
Why do you persist in this wishful thinking? It has nothing to do with conservatism, Republicans, or Bush!
It is just the facts!
Here's some more references for you, Shooter:
ReplyDeleteHome Foreclosures Up as Mortgage Rates Climb
Bankruptcy tide rolls on
Up, Up and Away: Personal Bankruptcies Soar!
For those that haven't seen this yet.
ReplyDeleteBank Data Is Sifted by U.S. in Secret to Block Terror
Secret U.S. Program Tracks Global Bank Transfers
Shooter242 said...
ReplyDeleteI notice that he had a reference and you don't.
I also notice that he has a handle and you don't.
I'm thinking he's legit and you aren't.
That would make you the troll, yes?
Awww, Shooter, you fuckwit. I'm sorry I left you off the passenger list for the Troll Plane. Fo shizzle!
Why do you persist in this wishful thinking? It has nothing to do with conservatism, Republicans, or Bush!
ReplyDeleteIt is just the facts!
Facts are illogical, unimportant and unreal. Shooter is faith based, like all the trolls. If they had their way, facts would be illegal.
I guess, yeesh. Do they think they are sticking it to the pessimistic "America hating" liberals, or something? It doesn't make any sense to me at all.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't take the economy seriously, if you don't take the ever-growing big government and socialist spending practices seriously, WHY do you even consider yourself a conservative?
prunes said...
ReplyDeleteI guess, yeesh. Do they think they are sticking it to the pessimistic "America hating" liberals, or something? It doesn't make any sense to me at all.
If you don't take the economy seriously, if you don't take the ever-growing big government and socialist spending practices seriously, WHY do you even consider yourself a conservative?
Prunes, it's as simple as what Gore Vidal said in that recent article linked and posted by cynic Librarian up thread @3:37 PM:
How is it, then, to live full-time in the United States?
“If you care about America it’s dreadful,” he said. “If you are making money you don’t care.
“Benjamin Franklin was shown the new American constitution, and he said, ‘I don’t like it, but I will vote for it because we need something right now. But this constitution in time will fail, as all such efforts do. And it will fail because of the corruption of the people, in a general sense.’ And that is what it has come to now, exactly as Franklin predicted.”
I also think it's the irrational hatred of anything and everything to the left of the John Birch Society of some of these total wingnuts and lunatics. They would vote for Hitler if he put liberals in camps and speaking of that, have you taken the Coulter/Hitler who said what test? Take The Test.
“Liberals have a preternatural gift for striking a position on the side of treason…Whenever the nation is under attack, from within or without, liberals side with the enemy.”
“We must study this vile liberal technique of emptying garbage pails full of the vilest slanders and defamations from hundreds and hundreds of sources at once, suddenly and as if by magic, on the clean garments of honorable men, if we are fully to appreciate the entire menace represented by these scoundrels of the press.”
“Taking these consequences into account, it is no accident that it is always primarily the liberal who tries and succeeds in planting such mortally dangerous modes of thought in our people.”
“Liberals are always wrapping their comically irrelevant charges in a haze of lies…”
“Hence it is that at the present time the liberal is the great agitator for the complete destruction of America. Whenever we read of attacks against America taking place in any part of the world the liberal is always the instigator.”
“It was a crushing defeat for the liberals, not because liberals were necessarily Communists, though many were, but because they had been morally blind to Communism…Liberal elites defended traitors. In response to the Soviet threat, the Democrats consistently counseled defeat, supplication, and retreat.”
“These scum manufacture more than three quarters of the so-called ‘public opinion,’…To give an accurate description of this process and depict it in all its falsehood and improbability, one would have to write volumes.”
“The immediate consequence of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was a wholesale abandonment of morals. Laws against divorce were loosened, promiscuity was encouraged, and marriage was demeaned as a “bourgeois institution.” Providing a battle cry for the sexual anarchists, Vladimir Lenin had famously said that the act of sex should “be as simple and unimportant as drinking a glass of water.” American liberals have used their hegemonic control of…newspapers to create a charming world in which women apparently cannot bear to keep their shirts on.”
“As long as millions of the bourgeoisie still piously worship their liberal democratic press every morning, it very ill becomes these gentlemen to make jokes about the stupidity of the ‘comrade’ who, in the last analysis, only swallows down the same garbage, though in a different form. In both cases the manufacturer is one and the same liberal.”
“The foremost connoisseurs of this truth regarding the possibilities in the use of falsehood and slander have always been the liberals…”
“The truth is another hateful “bourgeois institution.”…liberals always seem to be enthusiastically defending liars. Lying is their most cherished human activity.”
“Here the liberal’s procedure is as follows: He approaches the worker, simulates pity with his fate, or even indignation at his lot of misery and poverty, thus gaining his confidence…With infinite shrewdness he fans the need for social justice, somehow slumbering in every American man, into hatred against those who have been better favored by fortune…”
“Liberals always get a lot of credit for suffering, while never actually being made to suffer.”
“It is this press, above all, which wages a positively fanatical and slanderous struggle, tearing down everything which can be regarded as a support of national independence, cultural elevation, and the economic independence of the nation.”
Shooter, you're a dipshit.
ReplyDeleteDid you bother to read the comments of the blog post you just linked to? Go do that. There are serious problems with these numbers.
Shooter's a genius! But I'm an anonymous poster making an assertion with no supporting citations of fact so you should probably take my assertions with a bushel of salt. Meanwhile, continue taking everything you hear on Fox News directly to the bank.
ReplyDeleteNo buck, I'm not writing a dissertation here, just demonstrating that guys that hide behind "anonymous" can't be trusted.
ReplyDeleteAre you calling me and my sources liars?
The Ugly American said...
ReplyDelete"I'm with notherbob2 but of course you knew that.
When you have people say things like this:
But when the middle class (we are not talking about the poor here) are getting to the point that they cannot afford to buy a house then we are really starting to look like a third world country.
When the news headlines say this:
The national homeownership rate is at record levels.
For those who won't read its from the National Association of Realtors. They should know."
The national association of realtors; LOL.
Their job is to sell houses not report facts.
But let's look at why home ownership is up to record levels. Is it due to a good economy or something else?
1. Prices disconnected from fundamentals. House prices are far beyond any historically known
relationship to rents or salaries. Rents are less than half of mortgage payments. Salaries cannot cover
mortgages except in the very short term, by using adjustable interest-only loans.
2. Interest rates going back up. When rates go from 5% to 7%, that's a 40% increase in the amount of
interest a buyer has to pay. House prices must drop proportionately to compensate.
82% of recent Bay Area loans are adjustable, not fixed. This means a big hit to the finances of many owners every time interest rates go up, and this will only get worse as more adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs) get adjusted upward. Nationally, about $2 trillion of ARMS will adjust their rates to much higher levels this year and next.
3. A flood of risky "home equity loans". An adjustable-interest home equity loan is often a serious mistake. These loans do not have defined limits on interest demands. When the interest rate adjusts upward, it can double monthly payments, forcing owners to sell.
4. Surplus of speculators. Nationally, 25% of houses bought in 2005 were pure speculation, not houses to live in. It is now possible to buy a house with 103% financing. The extra 3% is to cover closing costs, so the buyer needs no money down. All this is on the unwise assumption that housing will rise ever higher, covering interest payments through appreciation. Even the National Association of House Builders admits that "Investor-driven price appreciation looms over some housing markets."
5. Trouble at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They are now being forced to tighten up sloppy lending. This means they are not going to keep buying very low-quality loans from banks, and the total money available for buying houses is falling.
6.Realtors® have a near-monopoly on sale price information, and newspaper reporters never ask Realtors® hard questions like "how do we know you're not lying?" The result is an endless stream of fluffy stories which minimize or just ignore the crash. Asking a Realtor® if you should buy now is like asking a barber if you need a haircut.
Most newspaper articles on housing are not news at all. They are advertisements that are disguised to look like news. They quote heavily from people like Realtors®, whose income depends on separating you from your money. Their purpose is not to inform, but rather to get you to buy.
Foreclosures up by a third
TOM BEARDEN: In April, after months of rising interest rates, foreclosures all over America were up by a third over the same month last year. They were up 22 percent over April 2005 in Texas; up 61 percent in Indiana; up 300 percent in Georgia.
Many observers blame adjustable rate mortgages, ARMs, where monthly payments are coupled to rising Federal Reserve interest rates. Mortgage lender Tom Gross also point to other forms of so-called creative financing.
"You just have to walk away. There can be no agreement or common ground when one party is unable to accept the facts before them."
This you and I can agree on
"I am sure someone will have a long convoluted explanation as to why the highest home ownership rates in US history are really untrue or bad."
Yeah I don't do 30 second sound bites. Sorry if anything more is too complicated for you.
"If Gris lobo's statement is true:
The economy is good if you are rich and in the investor class, not so good if you aren't.
Then there are a lot of rich people in the United States right now, as our GDP continues to grow faster than any other developed country in the world."
From my original post which you obviously failed to read or mabe failed to comprehend:
Since the election of Ronald Reagan the wealth of the nation has more than doubled. Per capita, Americans are now 70 percent richer than they were in 1979. Where have these several trillion dollars of new affluence gone?
For poor people, the answer is clear: Essentially none of this wealth has come their way. Adjusted for inflation, the tenth percentile of after-tax family income is almost exactly the same today as it was in 1979 - about $13,500 (note this means that 30 million Americans live on even less). For the middle class, the situation is only slightly different. In 1979, the average middle-class family had an after-tax income of $38,000; today that figure is about $43,700, meaning that over the past quarter-century the average American family has seen its income rise by about $200 per year.
It would be interesting to know how many of you have first hand experience being poor. You all have computers so you certainly aren't destitute (maybe your at the library).
Personally I have been on welfare. I got free lunch in school when getting free lunch in school wasn't cool. I have seen bad economies. This isn't.
I grew up poor and this is a bad economy. And as I have tried to warn people, it is due to get much worse soon.
shooter said: That's quite a disparity between the liberal line and reality isn't it?
ReplyDeleteShooter, are you aware at all that you are doing this? That you reflexively categorize any negative view as "liberal"?
If you will look at my previous comments in this thread, you will see that I went out of my way to not cast this issue in a conservative/liberal light.
I am a conservative. I have never voted for a Democrat or Green for any office on the local, state, or national levels. This is probably the 5th time I've bizarrely been called a "liberal" on this site.
Dispute me on my numbers, fine, I appreciate that sort of criticism. I care about the facts.
You are a reactionary partisan, as evidenced by your inability to see any opposing viewpoint as anything but the liberal boogeyman. You do not care about the principles of conservatism.
From shooter242 at 2:57PM:
ReplyDelete"C'est la vie. I like rooting for the underdog and here, Bush and conservatism are definitely the underdogs."
You might want to take a few minutes and consider why that is. Could it be 'conservatism' simply *doesn't* work?
"Quite frankly, when people throw out unsubstantiated generalities to disparage unabashed good news, it torques me off, and I will absolutely challenge those attempts to deny accomplishment."
Which 'accomplishments' are you trying to defend this time? Iraq? A potentially disasterous housing bubble? Unsustainable deficits?
Uh oh, shooter242 tips us off to some more conservative victimhood. Those poor, poor Republicans in control of the United State's government. All they ask for is a little more power. Then everything would be perfect! Also, apparently 'underdog' means the opposite of what we always thouhgt it meant when shooter uses it. Why can't the "liberals" just stop pointing out the Bush administration's mistakes? gag
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't matter what party runs the country. I'd prefer some competent and intelligent people. Who knows how many election cycles I'll have to wait through until that happens. The Republicans just happen to be doing a bad job right now.