Five days before the 2004 presidential election, Osama bin Laden released a video to Al Jazeera; it was his first on camera appearance in nearly three years. It was obvious at the time who benefited politically from this "October surprise." The tape helped George W. Bush and hurt his challenger, John Kerry. Given the timing and subject matter of the tape, it was clear that Bin Laden was attempting to influence the U.S. election, and, almost surely, knew that the tape would benefit President Bush.
One of the (so far) overlooked revelations in Ron Suskind's new book, The One Percent Doctrine, is the fact that the CIA reached this same conclusion about the bin Laden tape almost immediately. Here's a passage from Sidney Blumenthal's review of Suskind's book:
On Oct. 29, 2004, Osama bin Laden released hisOf course the fact that the Bush administration itself had concluded that the purpose of the tape was to tilt the election in favor of the President did not stop the Bush/Cheney campaign from sending its surrogates out to make the exact opposite claim, and right on the eve of the election:
"October surprise," an 18-minute tape attacking
Bush. The CIA analyzed the tape and concluded
that "bin Laden's message was clearly designed
to assist the President's reelection." That day,
at a meeting at the CIA, acting director John
McLaughlin remarked, "Bin Laden certainly did
a nice favor today for the president." [Jami]
Miscik [deputy director of the CIA's Directorate
of Intelligence] presented analysis that bin
Laden felt challenged by the rise of the thuggish
Zarqawi, who called himself commander of
al-Qaida in Iraq, and that bin Laden was
refocusing attention through his tape on his
cosmic and continuing one-on-one battle with
Bush. "Certainly," she said, "he would want Bush
to keep doing what he's doing for a few more
years."
Here's Bill Kristol:
But the fact remains that Osama bin Laden is not
neutral in our election. He is trying to intimidate
Americans into voting against George W. Bush.
I don't believe the American people are going to
honor his wishes.
And here's Rudy Giuliani on Meet the Press, making no sense at all:
Well, the fact is, and if you want to be clear about
the rest of the statement, bin Laden--he certainly
didn't say he was in favor of John Kerry and I'm
sure he's not but he certainly wants George
Bush out of the White House. . . .
I have no idea what his position is on John Kerry.
He didn't say it, and I would imagine, you know, he
has no interest in who wins. I do think he has
an interest in who loses, and that's one of the
reasons he put in all those criticisms of President
Bush.
Sean Hannity:
Why would Osama bin Laden, who's been quiet forPeggy Noonan:
so long, come out and virtually try and influence
the election today in favor of John Kerry by
attacking the president the way he did? Let's be
analytical here. Why would he do that if he didn't
think Bush was a stronger leader? . . .
Clearly, he wants George Bush to lose, and the
question is why?
This guy is half finished, and the reason is GeorgeDavid Brooks:
Bush. Do you think he wants George Bush to
have a nice day on Tuesday? I don't think so.
I think people will say look, here's this guy. He
wants to take down Bush. He wants to change
American policy.
And finally, Rush Limbaugh:
If this -- if John Kerry wins this race and they got
the bin Laden tape out there, do you realize what
the conclusion will be by militant Islamists? That
they did it -- they had the ability to affect the
election of this country without firing a shot like
they had to do in Spain.
Well, irony of ironies, al-Qaeda's real goal was apparently to get Bush re-elected, and it succeeded. All "without firing a shot." I wonder if the President ever sent Bin Laden a thank-you note.
You people make me sick...
ReplyDeleteHonestly, I get more sick to my stomach every time I read posts like these. I might be 23 years old and not been alive to witness other bad times in our country, but it's hard to imagine it being down deeper in the crapper than it is currently. But seriously, thanks for exposing and discussion this administration for what it is - worthless.
Rich Lowry has a hilariously incoherent article up at National Review Online arguing that the New York Times should be punished for publishing stories about Bush. It actually contains fair number of arguments that, if taken to their conclusion, would undermine the larger conservative project (I think this is what A.L. calls a "Noonan Award Nominee"). Here's my response.
ReplyDeleteAre you talking about the same
ReplyDeleteCIA that said Iraq had WMDs?
So one day you ridicule the CIA and the next you praise it?
You assume that GOP vote suppression tactics (mostly proven) and possible vote tampering (unproven, or much harder to prove) did not throw the 2004 election to Bush in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, New Mexico, and elsewhere. Bin Laden's tape was a gift, surely, but Rove and the rest of the GOP did not rest on their laurels.
ReplyDeleteSo one day you ridicule the CIA and the next you praise it?
ReplyDeleteWhen did I ridicule the CIA? At any rate, in this case, the CIA simply reached the same conclusion as most sentient human beings. The idea that bin Laden was trying to help Kerry never made any sense.
[Sean Hannity]: "Why would Osama bin Laden, who's been quiet for
ReplyDeleteso long, come out and virtually try and influence the election today in favor of John Kerry by attacking the president the way he did? Let's be
analytical here. Why would he do that if he didn't think Bush was a stronger leader?..."
Sean is of the curious opinion that the U.S. electorate is going to listen to Osama bin Laden's endorsements (or purported endorsement) and vote the way bin Laden wants them to vote. If it was bin Laden advocating for or against a candidate for election in Afghanistan (or Saudi Arabia, if they ever held elections there), I could see bin Laden trying to sway the "faithful".... But a U.S. election??? All this points out is that bin Laden is some fifty IQ points smarter than Hannity.
Same goes for the rest of that bunch of thugs and liars.
Cheers,
It's been apparent for a long time that Bush and Bin Laden need each other. The fall of one means the end of the other.
ReplyDelete"the same CIA that said Iraq had WMDs?"
ReplyDeleteIraq had WMDs . . . in the '80s.
It wasn't the CIA that decided to leave the second half of the sentence out during press conferences.
Sort of like: "According to this one lying drunkard, Saddam is reconstituting his WMD programs."
"There have been unsubstantiated rumors that Mohammed Atta met with Iraqi officials in Prague."
And so forth.
Yeah, I could have told you that at the time, too. What are we paying the CIA for again? Even John Kerry--who is a little slow at times about some things, let's face it, but he usually comes around--came to this self-same conclusion, a long time ago.
ReplyDeleteSo what's the story--the Bush administration lied? It didn't listen to the CIA? It made up bullshit and faxed it out to its shills for partisan political gain? Yawn. Film at 11, etc.
You talk about OBL as though 1.the guy is alive and 2. he just "happens" to help the fascists. It's all a game and we're being played for chumps. Al Queda is a myth that solely exists to fool us while the country is stolen and a fascist police state replaces it.
ReplyDeleteAssholenymous said...
ReplyDeleteAre you talking about the same
CIA that said Iraq had WMDs?
So one day you ridicule the CIA and the next you praise it?
(What else can you call a cretin like this?)
The Intelligence Agencies Didn’t Get It Wrong, The Bush Administration Did
And why did they get it wrong? 3 words...
Former Admin. Official Needs Only Three Words To Explain Manipulation of Intel: ‘The Vice President’
WILKERSON: Let me try to answer you first. Let me say right off the bat I’m glad to see you here.
JONES: Thank you sir.
WILKERSON: As a Republican, I’m somewhat embarrassed by the fact that you’re the only member of my party here.
JONES: I agree.
WILKERSON: But I understand it. I’d answer you with two words. Let me put the article in there and make it three. The Vice President.
The sad thing was that while the repubs did use the OBL tape to attack Kerry, why didn't the Kerry camp and the Democrats in general at least try to make the obvious counterpoint? "Bin Laden is alive and capable of making this tape due to the incompetence of the Bush administration. Certainly, he wants to stay alive and the only way to do that is to keep George W. Bush in the White House."
ReplyDeleteThe Kerry camp was afraid to say that. It was also afraid to sustain an attack on the Bush administration following the pre-election revelation that the U.S. failed to adequately guard an Iraqi munitions depot from which insurgents stole tons of explosives. After an initially aggressive response by Senator Kerry, the campaign's consultants shot down any attempt to keep the rhetoric flowing.
Those two failures to seize upon the obvious are the reason why Kerry's consultants should never be hired again.
I know. Not the point of this thread but it's still so damn frustrating - and those consultants are stll working in Democratic campaigns, which they will lose.
Actually, the CIA knew that the WMD program was shut down. This is detailed in James Risen's book. They had interviewed a couple dozen expatriate relataives of Iraqi scientists. Every single one of them said the WMD program, and in particular the nuclear program, had been shut down in the early 90s and was in a dormant stage.
ReplyDeleteThe White House simply chose to decide this information was not credible. It's called waiting for somebody to tell you what you want to hear. Sadly, George Tenet was very good at telling people what he thought they wanted to hear.
Jeebus. Has nobody in the MSM or the news-consuming public ever heard of reverse psychology?
ReplyDeleteI mean, I don't know about anybody else, but my parents used to use that on me all the time . . . when I was four years old. After that, I figured out how the tactic worked, and it was, from that point on, almost totally worthless.
Too bad so many other Americans never had a similar experience.
From michael at 3:08am:
ReplyDelete"Bush is to Bin Laden as Big Brother is to Emmanuel Goldstein."
If so, is it too much to hope Rice, Cheney, and Rumsfield are 'Jones, Aaronson, and Rutherford'?
This is because Bin Laden has been under US control for some time.
ReplyDeleteI remember thinking that UBL looked miserable and silly acting the diplomat, then he said something about renouncing violence and laying down weapons (or something equivalent to that) and I decided we'd got him.
Uncle Walter Cronkite reached the same conclusion I'm happy say.
shooter242 manages five "straw men" in the space of six short sentences:
ReplyDelete[A.L.]: it was clear that Bin Laden was attempting to influence the U.S. election, and, almost surely, knew that the tape would benefit President Bush.
This is funny. Do you think OBL is taking Rove's correspondence course?
"straw man" #1
So let me see if I have this right...
* Bin Laden would prefer a President that is agressive over passive.
"straw man" #2
* Bin Laden doesn't have the resources to eliminate a rival
"straw man" #3
* He would prefer continued war against his group.
"straw man" #4
* He wants a democracy in the Middle East and permanent US bases?
"straw man" #5
Oh please, LOL. This is one of the whackier scenarios I've heard in quite some time.
Yeah, there I'll agree with you. Sadly enough, it rattling around only within the confines of your emptry cranium.
Got to hand it to you, though, you make HWSNBN seem like a piker at the "straw man" factory....
Cheers,
Shooter 242 says:
ReplyDelete"So let me see if I have this right...
* Bin Laden would prefer a President that is agressive over passive.
* Bin Laden doesn't have the resources to eliminate a rival
* He would prefer continued war against his group.
* He wants a democracy in the Middle East and permanent US bases?"
Bush's aggression is misdirected and sloppy; not only has Bush NOT pursued bin Laden, after all this time, but, YES, it serves bin Laden's purpose of fomenting Arab/Muslim hatred of the United States to be able to point to a reckless, brutal cowboy like Bush, in the same way it serves Bush's interest to be able to keep pointing to "bin Laden and Al Qaeda" as his rationale for the dismantling of the limits on Presidential power. Without the fear of terror residing next to their fear of God, the Americans who support Bush would never buy his shit for a second.
There is no "continued war" against his group; we have warred against Iraq for three years, and any feints at al Qaeda have been desultory and of little consequence. Oh, Qaeda members have been killed or captured, but that is to be expected in a conflict such as this, and such losses, as long as they do not mortally wound al Qaeda's body, merely serve to reinforce their resolve to continue. Again, an obvious reason why bin Laden prefers Bush in office.
Our continued military presence in the middle east is what bin Laden wishes to repel, of course, and he is shrewd enough to see that a reckless nincompoop like Bush will pursue a military agenda so obdurately that he (bin Laden)believes this will further arouse anti-U.S. feeling in the region, thus compelling more Arabs/Muslims to join in the fight against us.
Fanatics need an enemy to fight against, to fuel their own and their followers' passion and hatred; just look at the imbecilic nonsense which spews from Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh, et al.
So what you righties are saying is Bin Laden would not prefer a President that supports policies that have created the most impressive terrorist recruiting program in the history of the species (aka, the war in Iraq). You're saying that OBL would not prefer a President who, when he has a chance to kill Bin Laden, opts not to (aka Tora Bora). There's no question that GWB is not a passive President. Then again, if I drove my pick-up truck through the front window of a nursery school, no one would consider it a passive act - but it certainly wouldn't be considered constructive either. Being aggressive and smart is a good thing. Being aggressive and wilfully ignorant of the fact that your actions benefit noone and are actually counterproductive to your professed cause makes no sense from the American perspecive (is perhaps treason through stupidity) and is nothing but a boon to OBL. I'm sure he thanks Allah every day that he delivered George W. Bush to the White House.
ReplyDeleteThe Major said: more hilarity
ReplyDeleteKeep it up, Major. Your posts are really quite droll. They're so convincingly moronic that most people on this thread really are convinced you're on the level, and not a Stephen Colbert-like japester.
Good stuff.
Naturally, this treasonous conclusion about Our Leader shows that CIA is a liberofascist organization bent on destroying America.
ReplyDelete/colbert
Bin Laden is doing what the WH wants because he's been under their control for some time now.
ReplyDeleteProps to Eyes Wide Shut for first making the comparison of The Major to Stephen Colbert...after posting my comment, I went back to the previous monster thread with 326 posts and saw, belatedly, EWS's explicit comparison.
ReplyDeleteHey Major:
ReplyDeleteCan you be serious?
"We have practicaly no voice in this country anymore thanks to crazy facist wackos like you and your leader Glenn Greenwald."
You control all three branches of the Federal government and complain that you have no voice? Give me a break!
That wasn't going to be the point I was making here.
What I was going to say was to reiterate other points made before. Bush's Iraq war has been the best recruiting tool Al Qaeda has ever had, so you think OBL would want to get rid of his prime recruiter?
It galled me tremendously during the Presidential debate when Bush made the statement, "If John Kerry had been President Saddam Hussein might still be in power."
I wanted Kerry to come back with, "Maybe so, but Osama bin Forgotten wouldn't still be alive, free, and taunting us." But no. He let Bush roll over on him.
We have lost the last two elections by saying, "Yeah, me too, but I'd do it better."
""[Jami]
ReplyDeleteMiscik" [...] "bin Laden's message was clearly designed to assist the President's reelection." [...] Well, irony of ironies, al-Qaeda's real goal was apparently to get Bush re-elected"
Miscik. Why does that name sound so familiar? Let me see. Oh yes, Valerie Plame's boss, perhaps with an axe to grind over the infamous "plamegate" leak controversy:
[The CIA Disinformation Campaign]
"[Valerie] Plame's WINPAC directorate was under [Judith] Miscik in the chain of command."
You guys are just in denial over the fact that more than anyone else, it was Senator Kerry [the intellectual] himself that helped Bush win the election.
I think all sides are continuing to overrate the significance of OBL and al Qaida. His cleverness is largely mythical, as is, here, the suggested extent of his grasp of US elections.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I do not suggest that the timing of his video releases is not carefully chosen. And yes, any reasonable analysis of the strategy of his attacks would conclude that he worked for years to goad the US into action. Ask any terrorism expert.
GWB, as an active, aggressive president, is OBL's best friend. Bin Laden may well have believed the propaganda about Kerry's weakness, which only underscores the elementary level of his understanding of US politics. Still, why mess with a good thing? And yes, of course he was playing for attention, and showing off, and all those things. It's really not so sneaky.
The real question is: is OBL GWB's best friend?
Once again:
ReplyDelete"The administration is trying to keep us safe and they keep trying to f*ck everything up becase they hate George W. Bush."
Yeah, trying to keep us safe--sending troops into the line of fire without adequate protection, asking their families back home to buy their armor for them, then cutting back on VA medical benefits. Yeah. Sounds like keeping us safe to me.
Oh, do you mean keeping us here at home safe? Like cutting the funding for airline security and port inspections. Like selling ports to enemies of America?
This is what I wrote in my blog at the time:
In 1999, according to the 9/11 Commission Report, the CIA failed to take out Osama bin Laden because they didn't want to hit his guests: Members of the royal family of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.
Later when they contacted the UAE rulers about staying away from bin Laden so they could get bin Laden, the UAE folks tipped him off, instead.
According to the indictment against Zacharias Moussaui, the UAE was the locus of the funding for the 9/11 hijackers.
So, please tell me, why do we want to turn over our vulnerable ports to a company owned by the buddies of bin Laden who financed 9/11?
Yeah. Bush Administration. Keeping us safe. Tell me another one.
Major:
ReplyDeleteEvery day they New York Times comes out with some new storyt hat endangers us. The MSM just keeps cranking out all the bad news thay can find. Just because the republicans control congress doewnst mean it's easy to stop the media from tearing our country down.
Who's being paranoid, now?
Hey, I bet that IS Colbert! Hi Steve! I love your show!
"I think all sides are continuing to overrate the significance of OBL and al Qaida."
ReplyDeleteUmm, dude, OBL and al Qaida are the ones who attacked us on 9/11, and who are thus responsible for the ongoing disintegration of our republic.
Well, al Qaeda had already endorsed George Bush for reelection, claiming he was the preferable opponent because, well, he sucks at fighting terror, and has only helped it spread wordswide.
ReplyDeleteThis tactic is merely the logical conclusion of applying Republican labor theory to terrorism. Terrorism means using violence as political coercion. The Republicans just use someone else's violence.
They've offshored their thuggery.
Al Qaeda, or the spectre of al Qaeda, provides the fear and the GOP amplifies it, applying it to whatever is on their agenda this week.
Simple.
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Anonymous,
ReplyDelete"His cleverness is largely mythical, as is, here, the suggested extent of his grasp of US elections"
You make a great point about Senator Kerry there...
Every day they New York Times comes out with some new storyt hat endangers us.
ReplyDeleteDo you have the guts to step outside your little fantasy world?
Sorry, that was a rhetorical question. I hate it when I do that.
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So, what's your point
ReplyDelete(October Surprise)
Shooter said: So let me see if I have this right...
ReplyDelete* Bin Laden would prefer a President that is agressive over passive.
No, OBL would prefer one that acts first and thinks later-if at all, and contributes to the decline of the US. He got the perfect package in the little smirking chimp.
Well, the next surprise won't be much of a surprise now will it...?
ReplyDeleteI think former CIA analyst and Presidential advisor Ray McGovern has a few ideas he'd like to share.
Question is, will anybody listen?
Bin Laden would prefer a President that is agressive over passive because nothing creates better marketing and recruiting than having "The Great Satan" acting its part flawlessly.
ReplyDeleteBin Laden doesn't have the resources to eliminate a rival without drawing attention to dissention within the ranks.
He would prefer continued war against his group especially when the war is no longer against his group but against Iraqi's instead.
He wants a democracy in the Middle East and permanent US bases? because he knows that true democracy in the Middle East would result in his allies gaining power.
As for permanent bases, see bullet #1.
From shooter242 at 10:50am:
ReplyDelete"Nope, this was just an ego trip from a pompous pretender. Something you should know quite a bit about. Heh."
Shooter, please direct your comments to the rest of us, *not* the person you see in the mirror.
I have an idea:
ReplyDeleteBin-Laden sent that tape just like there are no PERMANENT BASES being built in Iraq!
Shooter said: 'ego trip from a pompous pretender.'
ReplyDeleteWhat better way to describe Bush! An intellectually incurious coward.
Disgraceful photos in this mornings paper showing an Iraqi vet without legs jogging with the little pretender. Someone brave-that made a terrible sacrifice for a colossal act of idiocy (Bush et al again)- running with a coward that is a member of a clique of tough talkers that somehow always managed to find other things to do instead of serving in the military.
The hypocrisy of the right knows no bounds.
This silly post is just a prelude to Anonymous Liberal's declaration that George Bush staged the 9/11 attacks (in concert with his Zionist co-conspirators) to effectuate his maniacal plans for world conquest.
ReplyDeleteGreenwald's blog is now officially part of the moonbat fever swamp.
Anonymous said: 'to effectuate his maniacal plans for world conquest'
ReplyDeleteI agree, everyone should know by now that Bush doesn't have the mental capacities to make plans or think ahead.
Even the FBI acknowledges there is NO REAL EVIDENCE that connect OBL with 911.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html
The Bush administration had the motives, means, and opportunity to create the events that enabled a war of conquest and personal profits in Iraq. The administration acted to bring their preconceived war in Iraq to fruitarian.
Only the U.S Government could have orchestrated the events that started the war drums and fed the mighty Wurlitzer that was used to build support for the Iraq war.
The Department of Defense stood down
The WTC was demolished with a controlled demolition
The pentagon was “attacked” with a hoax about a passenger airliner
Another hoax was used to create a distraction in PA, flight 93 and build the myth of “Let’s Roll”
Pre-9/11 intelligence failures-by-design were used to create “patsies” with excuses for the events
The power of a grand jury or even the "discovery" process in a civil suit would result in a meaningful investigation. It might convince some to talk and the ability to grant some people immunity might result in "flipping" some conspirators.
The actions of the defendants tell you they are guilty. For example, it would be a serious violation of rules and regulations to let a president read an upside-down goat book while the nation was experiencing the worst attack on U.S. soil in history.
The “official story” would be laughable on its face if it wasn’t so tragic and if it wasn’t used to commit even greater war crimes and crimes against humanity. There is no way the administration’s version of events could withstand cross-examination by competent counsel.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThis silly post is just a prelude to Anonymous
To which silly post are you referring?
2004 was another stolen election, like 2000. Key races were stolen in 2002. If they steal enough key races in 2006 to maintain power, they will destroy SS and be able to cover up the treason, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.
ReplyDeleteWho know, maybe they will even make our chimperor king for life.
If Bush "doesn't have the mental capacity to make plans or think ahead," how did be beat your side in two presidential elections?
ReplyDeleteIf he's a moron, what does that make you?
To which silly post are you referring?
ReplyDeleteThe post under which all of these comments appears, "The 'October Surpise' Revisted."
So we can expect to see a "new" bin Laden tape just before the November sweeps, er, "election", too, right?
ReplyDeleteThe point for the Rs is maintaining power by any means, and the polls aren't looking too good right now. If key districts or senate seats look wobbly, and none of the other tricks are working sufficiently to tip the scales, bin Laden tapes have already proved their worth, so no doubt one will be dutifully trotted out to make the case that Rs should stay in charge no matter what.
Loves him some R meat he does.
And of course, Americans are supposed to be fool enough to fall for it.
Except. There is reasonable doubt and suspicion regarding election results in this country. What we are told may not be true, or rather, it may not reflect the will of the voters. If that's so, then perhaps the voters really aren't as dim-witted as we are wont to say they are, and perhaps they've been trying to throw out this barnicle on the body politic for several cycles, only to fail each time for reasons that remain obscure...
The fact is, we don't know. The way things are going, we will never find out, either.
But if we take the optimistic point of view, that the electorate is neither so dumb nor so easily swayed by the Tapes from the Cave, maybe, just maybe this time, even if the Rs pull all their usual stunts, and even if they crow their triumph, bogus as it may be, the American People will finally have had enough and will do whatever it takes them to get their country back.
Then again, maybe not.
From anonymous at 11:18am:
ReplyDelete"If Bush "doesn't have the mental capacity to make plans or think ahead," how did be beat your side in two presidential elections?"
Who said that empty-headed manboy had *anything* to do with either election?
"If he's a moron, what does that make you?"
The ones facing reality. What's your excuse?
Anonymouse said: 'If Bush "doesn't have the mental capacity to make plans or think ahead," how did be beat your side in two presidential elections?
ReplyDelete* There appear to have been irreularities in both elections indicating Republican attempts to fix the results. Plus the Republicans used volatile wedge issues-that in themselves really materially impact nobody-to rile up the ignorant, illiterate, and superstitious.
If he's a moron, what does that make you?'
* Depressed and worried about the world my grandchildren will inherit due to the lunacy of Bush and his idolaters.
This silly post is just a prelude to Anonymous Liberal's declaration ...
ReplyDeleteAnd right on cue, some troll drops in a bunch of bullshit to give the right an excuse to run away from an argument they can't handle.
No wonder they can't run the country worth a tin shit. They're weak.
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Who said that empty-headed manboy had *anything* to do with either election?
ReplyDeleteIf you truly believe this (and I believe you do), I hope you realize why you and the rest of the moonbat left will never have any significant influence in American politics.
The president SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE PEOPLE! The majority of the PEOPLE want him out of the Whitehouse now.
ReplyDeleteCan anybody tell me why we're still discussing anything else?
Nazi RightWinger said: 'if you truly believe this (and I believe you do), I hope you realize why you and the rest of the moonbat left will never have any significant influence in American politics."
ReplyDeleteIt's about time some of the right wingers were brave enough or informed enough to realize what a dim bulb they elected.
Reminds me of a famous Republican quote when a mediocre judge was choose to be on the Supreme court: ' mediocre people need representation too' (or something to that effect).
Seeing many, if not most of the postings here by winguts, seems they got their wish in Bush.
OOPs,
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
The president SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE PEOPLE! The majority of the PEOPLE want him out of the Whitehouse now.
Can anybody tell me why we're still discussing anything else?
The Psychotic Patriot has repeatedly blogged this Fake Osama video, check out the side-by-side comparisons. Why did the CIA say this obvious fake was the real guy?
ReplyDeleteFrom the major: "We have practicaly no voice in this country anymore thanks to crazy facist wackos"
ReplyDeleteComedy. Gold.
Rob
The SCOTUS just handed the Republicans a spectacular victory in the Texas redistricting case, ruling that state legislatures can re-draw districts at any time.
ReplyDeleteAnd here the moonbat left is talking about how stupid Bush is.
This ruling will consolidate Republican gains in the House for decades to come.
President Bush is one of those very rare politicians who is fortunate in his enemies. They think he is stupid. He likes them to think he's stupid. Then he beats them...every time.
shooter242:
ReplyDelete[Arne]: shooter242 manages five "straw men" in the space of six short sentences:
So what?
Glad we got that straightened out.
It's all speculation that OBL didn't mean what he said. I think it's much more plausible that OBL thought the US was so cowed we were at a tipping point, he could help us over.
Who cares what you think? Show of hands? *ummmmm* <looks around> Thought so.
As I pointed out (and shooter seems to have failed to grasp): This was a U.S. election. OBL could hardly have failed to notice that ... matter of fact, his tape came out JIT. Shooter, for his proposition here to hold any water, is under some delusion that OBL thought both that OBL's "endorsing" Kerry would help elect him, and that OBL would have thought that Kerry would have been better vis a vis the War On Terra. Both absurd assumptions (see other poster's comments on this). But the failure of either assumption makes Shooter look clueless.
Cheers,
I thought this was interesting
ReplyDeleteDo you think President Bush's frequent use of signing statements to revise or disregard parts of legislation is justified or unjustified?
Justified 37% => 1081 votes
Unjustified 53% => 1528 votes
I'm not sure 9% => 260 votes
Current number of voters: 2869
He is stupid.
ReplyDeleteWhat does that make you, since he beats you every time?
aanonymous sez cluelessly:
ReplyDeleteThe SCOTUS just handed the Republicans a spectacular victory in the Texas redistricting case, ruling that state legislatures can re-draw districts at any time.
And here the moonbat left is talking about how stupid Bush is.
This ruling will consolidate Republican gains in the House for decades to come.
Hey: Anyone see a problem with this "argument"? C'mon, I know we have plenty of people with IQs over room temperature.....
Cheers,
Right Wing Puttet wrote: 'What does that make you, since he beats you every time?'
ReplyDeleteYou don't know me or have a clue who I am, so how can you pronounce that he has beaten me?
It's rationality, foresight, and common sense that he has beaten. Look at his atrocious policies that benefit the few and sacrifice the many.
So when are you or your children enlisting? Didn't care to address that part did you? Typical right wing blow hard. Talk tough, let someone else die or be maimed.
From anonymous at 11:46am:
ReplyDelete"The SCOTUS just handed the Republicans a spectacular victory in the Texas redistricting case, ruling that state legislatures can re-draw districts at any time."
And your source for this bit of news? I've just checked the usual outlets and found nothing about this.
yankeependragon:
ReplyDeleteSee here.
Cheers,
Thank you, Arne.
ReplyDeleteThis silly post is just a prelude to Anonymous Liberal's declaration that George Bush staged the 9/11 attack.
ReplyDeleteOh please. That's ridiculous. I'm hardly engaged in tin-foil-hattery here. I just pointed out that the CIA came to the exact opposite conclusion of virtually every GOP surrogate and shill. And this was about a key event happening days before an important election. That's noteworthy.
October Surprise 2006
ReplyDeleteIn January Bob Schieffer, when asked if Bin Laden expressed almost the same sentiments as Kerry, said "Well, he did. That’s exactly right." Here's a link from Think Progress:
[thinkprogress.org]
"Asked whether bin Laden had expressed "almost the same" sentiments that [Sen. John] Kerry did during an appearance on [Bob] Schieffer’s "Face the Nation" broadcast in December, the CBS anchorman told WABC Radio’s Mark Simone: "Well, he did. That’s exactly right.""
Hold on, wait just a minute here. Horse faced, tall, lanky, obsessed with G.W. Bush, that rings all kinds of bells now doesn't it. Have any of you guys ever seen them together in the same room? Well have you? Hmmm?
Fly said: 'Horse faced, tall, lanky, obsessed with G.W. Bush, that rings all kinds of bells now doesn't it. Have any of you guys ever seen them together in the same room? Well have you? Hmmm?'
ReplyDeleteHmmm, I think the oft stated resemblance between Bush and Alfred E. Neumann (of Mad magazine) is a more accurate comparison. 'What me Worry'
It's really a very simple concept. The target audience in America consisted of 3 groups:
ReplyDelete1. People who whould actually listen to Bin Laden and take his advice.
2. People who would have a knee-jerk reaction and rally to defend the leader he attacked.
3. People who had already made up their minds or were sophisticated enough to disregard his propaganda as easily as their own government's.
Only in the warped fantasy world of reactionary pundits and their thralls is the first group of any size or significance, and the third group could not be influenced at all. So, only the second group could be affected by Bin Laden's message and was large enough to have any effect.
The people who can believe the intent was to help Kerry are the same ones who believe it actually helped us to kill Zarqawi and virtually parade his bloody corpse through the media like an Arab version of William Wallace. All that was missing was the pike. What that indicates is a fundamental unwillingness or inability to even make the attempt to see the perspective from the other side, however ill understood it may be. Perhaps they have succeeded in dehumanizing the 'other' to such an extent they find that concept offensive, as well as unnecessary. As long as our policies are the result of that kind of unsophisticated thinking we will continue to create our own monsters and ensure a generous supply of enemies indefinitely. Hmmm, isn't that convenient...
Anonymous 12:30 PM,
ReplyDeleteOh Puhleeeezzzzz......... Everybody knows that Alfred E. Neumann is fictional cartoon character. And I suppose next you'll claim that Congressman Murtha and Sponge Bob Square Pants are one and the same.
Hey, come to think of it...
shargash 12:29 PM,
"OBL is still on the loose, isn't he? [...]"
Another connect the dots bombshell. "Both" are "still on the loose" now aren't they. I'm tellin' ya, this "same sentiments" thing is gaining momentum and will bust wide open when the next "OBL" video surfaces.
To f.l.y. -
ReplyDeleteYou realize all that made absolutely no sense, right?
Seriously.
ReplyDeleteWhat the hell is this:
Another connect the dots bombshell. "Both" are "still on the loose" now aren't they. I'm tellin' ya, this "same sentiments" thing is gaining momentum and will bust wide open when the next "OBL" video surfaces.
supposed to mean?
NO! No, it's not possible. It is *not* possible.
ReplyDeleteYou're completely wrong. Osama bin Ladin being able to engage in reverse psychology? No, it's not possible. Why, that tactic is so rare that most jokes about it have faded away due to being too trite to be funny any more, and that means it's much, much too esoteric for Osama to have learned.
Next you're going to suggest that invading an innocent nation might have made more Muslims angry than holding back would have. I mean, how ludicrous! Imagine that! Killing tens of thousands of innocent people simply proves that we're strong and interested in the value of every single person; if we'd merely forced Iraq to prove it had disarmed, that would... well, I'm sure it would have angered Muslims more than the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people.
Ah, forget it. Colbert's got me beat by a mile. Has he done a riff on this yet?
tuuaqrobert1014:
ReplyDeleteOBL got lucky on 9/11. He's nothing but a symbol. That's all I meant. I don't see your point—do you assume I forgot?
Unfortunately, when this tape came out the Dems and left leaning pundits were not stating the obvious: the only two groups that the Iraq debacle (and a unilateral "war on terror") benefits is Bin Laden and his cronies and Bush and his cronies.
ReplyDeleteTwo years later we're talking about how maybe Bin Laden put this tape out to help Bush. Of course he did, but there was no unified left wing movement to repeat this assertion to counter the right. I guess that's the problem. Our guys come up with a response a year and half late.
It's amazing how on one hand OBL is all-knowing, all-seeing, and capable of destroying a country of 300 million people, but one the other hand, is incapable of saying one thing and meaning another.
ReplyDeleteIf the track record is "GWB is in office, I'm free as a bird", why wouldn't you want to keep that going?
Don't forget that right after the video appeared, a GOP strategist called it a "little gift" that "helps Bush."
ReplyDeleteThe Bush campaign knew right away that it would help. The pundits claiming otherwise were blowing smoke in order to lend support to the effort.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeletetuuaqrobert1014:
OBL got lucky on 9/11. He's nothing but a symbol. That's all I meant. I don't see your point—do you assume I forgot?
I would hardly say pulling off one of the greatest crimes in history amounts to just "getting lucky." Also, while OBL is a symbol to anti-West Muslim zealots, he is also something far more than just that: he is a mass murderer who has escaped capture and who may well post an actual, not merely symbolic, threat to our nation in the future.
It was Saddam Hussein and Iraq who were insignificant and against whom we had ZERO basis for military action, and yet, he is the one Li'l Butch and Big DICK chose to elevate to the level of supreme threat to America. All for the purpose, not of securing our safety or of seeking justice for 9/11, but strictly for crass political and corporate motives.
As far as I'm concerned, Li'l Butch and Big DICK are as criminal as is Hussein, and are his brothers in the fraternity of vile historical malefactors.
Robert, I have no quarrel with your conclusions. I agree that OBL was enormously successful. I believe he is weak. That's all.
ReplyDeleteWho/what props him up? Deliberately or not?
You know the answer.
Dan Froomkin in APo today:
ReplyDeleteSWIFT, the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, is the international banking cooperative that quietly allowed the Treasury Department and the CIA to examine hundreds of thousands of private banking records from around the world.
"But the existence of SWIFT itself has not exactly been a secret. Certainly not to anyone who had an Internet connection.
SWIFT has a Web site, at swift.com .
It's a very informative Web site. For instance, this page describes how "SWIFT has a history of cooperating in good faith with authorities such as central banks, treasury departments, law enforcement agencies and appropriate international organisations, such as the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), in their efforts to combat abuse of the financial system for illegal activities."
(And yes, FATF has its own Web site, too.)
An e-mail from White House Briefing reader Tim O'Keefe tipped me off to just how nutty it is to suggest that SWIFT keeps a low profile. Among other things, he explained, "SWIFT also happens to put on the largest financial services trade show in the world every year," he wrote. "Swift also puts out a lovely magazine ." "
Sorry, WaPo.
ReplyDeleteEric in Ottawa said...
ReplyDeleteYes, what an amazingly kind gesture.
And I'm sure the CIA, who used to work with bin Laden, were completely surprised by this gesture.
(sarcasm)
Used to?
AlQueda = RNC.
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