On March 24, 2006, The Boston Globe published an article by Charlie Savage reporting that the President, after signing into law the bill which renewed the Patriot Act, issued a "signing statement" making clear that "he did not consider himself bound" to comply with various reporting provisions in the law and therefore reserved the right to violate them. The article was extraordinary because it noted that the Patriot Act signing statement was merely "the latest in a string of high-profile instances in which Bush has cited his constitutional authority to bypass a law" -- and the article tied that ideology of lawlessness to, among other things, the President's deliberate violations of FISA when ordering warrantless eavesdropping on Americans.
I discussed that Globe article in my book and described it as "an important milestone," because "it is one of the first truly comprehensive articles by an establishment media outlet to recognize the fact that the president has expressly seized the power to break the law, and is exercising that power enthusiastically and aggressively, in numerous ways." Once the reality of the president's claimed lawbreaking powers starts to be truly discussed in our national political dialogue, I believe there will finally be accountability for what this administration has done.
The Globe has today published an even more sweeping and significant article, this one also by Savage, reporting as clearly and unambiguously as I have seen on the fact that the President not only believes that he has the right to break the law but has been exercising that right with staggering frequency, in almost every area of significance (h/t Jill):
President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.
Among the laws Bush said he can ignore are military rules and regulations, affirmative-action provisions, requirements that Congress be told about immigration services problems, ''whistle-blower" protections for nuclear regulatory officials, and safeguards against political interference in federally funded research.
Legal scholars say the scope and aggression of Bush's assertions that he can bypass laws represent a concerted effort to expand his power at the expense of Congress, upsetting the balance between the branches of government. The Constitution is clear in assigning to Congress the power to write the laws and to the president a duty ''to take care that the laws be faithfully executed" . . .
As has been clear from the beginning, and as Savage notes, the significance of the NSA scandal was never about eavesdropping. Its significance lay in the fact that the President got caught red-handed violating the law on purpose, because he believes he has the power to do so. To defend his conduct, the administration has been forced to parade those theories around out in the open, and as a result, it is only a matter of time before the public starts to realize how severe the crisis is that we have in our country:
But with the disclosure of Bush's domestic spying program, in which he ignored a law requiring warrants to tap the phones of Americans, many legal specialists say Bush is hardly reluctant to bypass laws he believes he has the constitutional authority to override. . . .
Many legal scholars say they believe that Bush's theory about his own powers goes too far and that he is seizing for himself some of the law-making role of Congress and the Constitution-interpreting role of the courts.
Phillip Cooper, a Portland State University law professor who has studied the executive power claims Bush made during his first term, said Bush and his legal team have spent the past five years quietly working to concentrate ever more governmental power into the White House.
''There is no question that this administration has been involved in a very carefully thought-out, systematic process of expanding presidential power at the expense of the other branches of government," Cooper said. ''This is really big, very expansive, and very significant."
For the first five years of Bush's presidency, his legal claims attracted little attention in Congress or the media. Then, twice in recent months, Bush drew scrutiny after challenging new laws: a torture ban and a requirement that he give detailed reports to Congress about how he is using the Patriot Act.
It is not hyperbole to say that these actions and theories are as antithetical to democracy as can be. The country intensely debates all sorts of controversial issues (torture, Patriot Act renewal, eavesdropping powers); legislative compromises are reached by the American people through their Congress, often over the objections of the President; the President signs those bills into law -- and then he simply decrees that those laws are irrelevant because he has the power to violate them at will:
Bush administration spokesmen declined to make White House or Justice Department attorneys available to discuss any of Bush's challenges to the laws he has signed.
Instead, they referred a Globe reporter to their response to questions about Bush's position that he could ignore provisions of the Patriot Act. They said at the time that Bush was following a practice that has ''been used for several administrations" and that ''the president will faithfully execute the law in a manner that is consistent with the Constitution."
But the words ''in a manner that is consistent with the Constitution" are the catch, legal scholars say, because Bush is according himself the ultimate interpretation of the Constitution. And he is quietly exercising that authority to a degree that is unprecedented in US history.
Bush is the first president in modern history who has never vetoed a bill, giving Congress no chance to override his judgments. Instead, he has signed every bill that reached his desk, often inviting the legislation's sponsors to signing ceremonies at which he lavishes praise upon their work.
Then, after the media and the lawmakers have left the White House, Bush quietly files ''signing statements" -- official documents in which a president lays out his legal interpretation of a bill for the federal bureaucracy to follow when implementing the new law. The statements are recorded in the federal register.
In his signing statements, Bush has repeatedly asserted that the Constitution gives him the right to ignore numerous sections of the bills -- sometimes including provisions that were the subject of negotiations with Congress in order to get lawmakers to pass the bill. He has appended such statements to more than one of every 10 bills he has signed.
''He agrees to a compromise with members of Congress, and all of them are there for a public bill-signing ceremony, but then he takes back those compromises -- and more often than not, without the Congress or the press or the public knowing what has happened," said Christopher Kelley, a Miami University of Ohio political science professor who studies executive power.
The entire article -- which I highly recommending reading -- details the numerous instances in which Congress has passed laws banning certain conduct, the President has signed those bills into law, only for the President not only to reserve the right to violate those laws but to then order that those laws by violated, systematically and repeatedly. As the Globe article reports with startling clarity, to describe the state of affairs we have in our country is to describe, by definition, a state of authoritarian lawlessness. We literally have a President who has been saying for years, right out in the open, that he can act without regard to the law whenever he wants, and we need to repeat that fact - and prove it - over and over until that debate is finally had. The Globe article advances that objective significantly.
It is not uncommon for a President to refrain from executing a law which he believes, and states, is unconstitutional. Other Presidents have invoked that doctrine, although Bush has done so far more aggressively and frequently. But what is uncommon - what is entirely unprecedented - is that the administration's theories of its own power arrogate unto itself not just the right to refrain from enforcing such laws, but to act in violation of those laws, to engage in the very conduct which those laws criminalize, and they do so secretly and deceitfully, after signing the law and pretending that they are engaged in the democratic process. That is why the President has never bothered to veto a law -- why bother to veto laws when you have the power to violate them at will?
I have pointed out many times before that scandals which harm or bring down a presidency do not develop overnight. Americans have to really be persuaded that there is serious and deliberate wrongdoing in order to demand that meaningful action be taken. But that is clearly starting to happen, and the Globe and Charlie Savage should be congratulated for that rarest of acts -- journalists who are fulfilling their journalistic purpose by informing Americans as to what this government really is doing.
UPDATE: One of the principal tactics used over the last five years by Bush defenders to transform the president, our public servant, into some sort of monarchical figure is the endless, craven effort to refer to him as "The Comamnder-in-Chief," in order to implicitly bestow upon him an aura of elevated, militaristic glory which renders not only disrespect towards the President, but also mere criticism of him, somehow inappropriate, even unpatriotic. In that regard, it was extremely refreshing to see Stephen Colbert's stand-up routine last night (video here - transcript here) at the White House Correspondent's Dinner. Pam Spaulding provides an excellent discussion of that event, as does Joe Gandelman.
As Pam notes, a commenter at the site of Jonah's mom, Lucianne Goldberg, said that "Steve Colbert was utterly disgusting. . . He was rude, snarky and unpatriotic toward the President and First Lady." One can be unpatriotic towards one's country, but not to the Leader, and certainly not by expresing criticism of the Leader, even to his face. The efforts to shield the President from criticisms of any sort has been one of the most significant factors enabling the lawbreaking pathology of this president, who clearly has come to see himself as a shielded king. The belief that an American citizen is unpatriotic by virtue of criticizing and opposing the president is one of the most pernicious ideas to take hold in some time. What Colbert did took real courage and - like Savage - he should be commended for reminding us of the kind of country we are supposed to have, and the kind of country we aren't supposed to have and, until this administration, never had.
I wouldn't be surprised if that reporter reads this blog. With articles like that along with the success of your book, these issues can no longer be supressed. Let Americans hear what this administration is!
ReplyDeleteThe fact is, Bush is RIGHT. He can act however he wishes as long as Congress refuses to act on removing him. What's going to stop him? DeLay's friends or Frist? Don't be silly.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous is right, but only up to a point. That point is public awareness. Once the gravity of the situation solidifies as a media narrative, the situation will be resolved through elections. Approval ratings in th low 30's are not the result of any particular issue, not even the war. They are the result of a growing public awareness of the nature of the administration's policies, and people don't like them.
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ReplyDeleteThe bill contained several oversight provisions intended to make sure the FBI did not abuse the special terrorism-related powers to search homes and secretly seize papers. The provisions require Justice Department officials to keep closer track of how often the FBI uses the new powers and in what type of situations. Under the law, the administration would have to provide the information to Congress by certain dates.
Or to put another way, Congress wants to be informed of all intelligence procedures to micromanage the intelligence appartus, and generally fish around for information to use politically while simultaneously informing the opposition of our efforts. The best part of all this is the lead position taken by "Leaky Leahy" ....
Leahy Was Forced To Resign From The Senate Intelligence Committee After Leaking Information On The Iran-Contra Investigation. "Sen. Patrick Leahy's admission that he resigned from the Intelligence Committee this year for 'carelessly' exposing the panel's draft report on the Iran-Contra investigation comes at a time of increased political tension over the issue of leaks to the news media." (George Lobsenz, UPI, 7/29/87)
Once again the difinitive quote regarding this situation is provided by the ubiquitous Senator Schumer.....
"Even a child knows that if a person can't keep a secret, stop telling them secrets,
I fear that the President is operating under the "oh yea, you and who's army?" theory of governance. It's as if he thinks that as long as he's commander in cheif of the armed forces, then there's NOBODY who can stop him from doing whatever he wants.
ReplyDeleteIt's been a long time since we've had any kind of Constitutional Amendment, and of course they're not the kind of thing that should be tossed out there in Congress everyday, but it seems that there needs to be some kind of movement for a Constitutional Amendment limiting (if not outright abolishing) these signing statements.
ReplyDelete"As the Globe article reports with startling clarity, to describe the state of affairs we have in our country is to describe, by definition, a state of authoritarian lawlessness".
ReplyDeleteAnd to add insult to injury, King George thinks he is a "benevolent" king( I say despot) brought to this position thru and for the grace of God.
Over the last 5 years, no one has looked more like the anti-christ than our poor, pathetic, and delusional head of this country.
If you have a problem with laws regarding keeping Congress informed, fine, have the laws changed. The answer is not for the leader of the Country to break the law. Jesus Christ, what happened to the conservatives love for the rule of law?
ReplyDeleteThat has been one of the most eye-opening aspects of having this blog - when you point out that the President is violating various laws, his defenders will come and argue that the laws he is violating aren't very good laws - as though the President should be able to unilaterally break whatever laws he doesn't like and then argue afterwards that the laws he violated were bad laws.
Thus, the President is going to violate the Patriot Act's reporting provisions because those reporting provisions shouldn't have been in that law. It's truly amazing how commonplace that argument has become - they don't seem to realize that they are endorsing a form of authoritarian anarchy by defneding it.
Stripped to their essence, that is their core defense in the NSA scandal, too - that the President violated FISA because FISA is too restrictive of a law. Their faith in the Goodness of this President really is so absolute that they trust him to do anything, including break the laws whenever he deems it wise and just to do so.
One of the biggest obstacles to be overcome is the doctrine of 'fair and balanced', under which any media criticism of Bush or the Republican party is automatically classified as liberal bias and suspect, if not immediately dismissed. Even Americans who are not fanatic Bush cultists have been persuaded to believe that the press is acting disrespectfully and irresponsibly when they question or criticize the president.
ReplyDeleteThe essential functions of a free press in a democratic society are:
1. To check the ability of the government to lie by informing the public what the government is actually doing, as opposed to what it says it's doing. Bush calls this the 'media filter'.
2. To check the ability of the government to keep secret information it is in the public interest to reveal. Bush calls this 'giving aid and comfort to the enemy'.
The idea that at least 51% of media coverage must be pro-administration, pro-ruling party (90% or better in the case of Bush supporters) regardless of the underlying reality is a truly bizarre notion to accept, much less assert in a society that considers itself democratic. Until we can get past that nonsense, accountability is going to be more or less a fantasy.
The liberal bias of Colbert and his apologists here is sickening. Those who insult our president to this degree should be in jail. Liberal bias should be illegal. NOT FUNNY, Mr. COLBERT!
ReplyDeleteI followed the links on the Lucianne Goldberg quote. It appears to be one of her commenters, and not her.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading your post and watching the C&L clip on the Colbert bit, it occurred to me that this is the most prolonged exposure to criticism Bush has had during his time in office. I think this makes the clip poignant. The White House press corps gave Bush his "Mission Accomplished" moment. Colbert had to point out to them, and to the president, that no, it was a "Misery Accomplished" moment.
The 'our C-in-C' thing is definitely bizzare, especially when used by people who have never been in the military.
ReplyDeleteIt's pretty damn simple: I have never served in the military, therefore no president has ever been MY C-in-C. We don't live in Lybia or North Korea.
Liberal bias in the media is a cancer. We must stamp it out to preserve free thought and honest debate.
ReplyDeleteThat Globe article is great. Slate has a fair number of good articles on Bush's systematic lawbreaking, but nothing this comprehensive. And I'm not sure they count as part of the Mainstream Media anyway, since they're online. I don't read enough of the mainstream media anymore to know how every organization handles Bush's lawbreaking, but from what I've seen, Glenn is right that most don't bother to connect the dots.
ReplyDeletePS I LOVED Colbert last night. As the post you linked to said, he really deserves the brass balls award (or some gender-neutral equivalent--brass guts award?) for saying all those things while Bush was in the room. Hopefully he won't be assassinated or anything.
C-Span is re-running the event at which Colbert gave his schtick on Bush--or is that Bush on a schtick?
ReplyDeleteColbert should be on the podium about 1:25 pm ET.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. (1918)
ReplyDeleteTheodore Roosevelt, the 26th President of the United States
Does anyone want to speculate on whether "Soaring Patriotic Eagel [sic]" is serious or being sarcastic?
ReplyDeleteRemember, Lucianne Goldberg -- Jonah's mother, and the the person accusing Stephen Colbert of being "unpatriotic" in his comedy skit about Bush and the GOP/Media Complex -- is the SAME PERSON who told the New York Press tabloid that Bill Clinton was "finger-fucking" his own daughter Chelsea: (http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/04/17/wimps/index.html and scroll halfway down)
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Remember, Lucianne Goldberg -- Jonah's mother, and the the person accusing Stephen Colbert of being "unpatriotic" in his comedy skit about Bush and the GOP/Media Complex -- is the SAME PERSON who told the New York Press tabloid that Bill Clinton was "finger-fucking" his own daughter Chelsea:
(click here and scroll halfway down)
Leaking sensitive information to make a political point is fairly common in Washington - and I'll point out that Karl Rove still has his security clearance.
ReplyDeleteHowever, it is illegal to use classification to block evidence of a crime.
We're in a position right now where Congress doesn't know where billions (with a b) of dollars of the money spent in Iraq are going. If Congress loses the power of the purse, what's left of checks and balances?
Some secrets are necessary for a government to function, but execessive secrecy leads to groupthink, asscovering, and abuse. I'd say whatever Schumer did in Iran-Contra couldn't have done nearly the damage to national security that Bush did by invading Iraq. If there had been more of an open debate, and certain Democrats had been less interested in sabotaging the country's self-interest to stand by Bush, we would be in a much beter position right now.
Glenn, I'm very new to your blog. I'm eagerly promoting your book.
ReplyDeleteI do hope you have one or two very close to you who can help you stay on track. FAME can be just as addictive as power. That's my only concern.
I followed the links on the Lucianne Goldberg quote. It appears to be one of her commenters, and not her.
ReplyDeleteYou're right. Thanks. I fixed that in the post.
The most insidious affect of of accepting the fair and balanced doctrine is the implicit assumption that balance always exists. This leads people to believe that for any criticism of Bush or the Republican party, there must exist an argument in support of them that has at *least* equal validity. Once this is accepted, the burden of supporting or even making such an argument is essentially removed. Any assertion, no matter how spurious or entirely unsupportable will do. Even if no such argument is presented, people will infer it's existence on their own. The stronger the argument you present, the stronger the counter-argument is assumed to be.
ReplyDelete"Lucianne Goldberg, said that 'Steve Colbert was utterly disgusting. . . He was rude, snarky and unpatriotic toward the President and First Lady.' One can be unpatriotic towards one's country, but not to the Leader..."
ReplyDeleteYou missed the Pick Hit Of The Week, here...
How the hell can you be "unpatriotic toward the... First Lady"?!?!?!?!?
Elected by the people, was she? Gives a whole new spin to the Clinton thing about buy one, get one free. Only this time, she becomes Official.
When the police state is complete, will intemperate remarks about Pickles earn you a trip to Gitmo?
shooter, bart says he doesn't spend much time on blogs. He's only on this one.
ReplyDeleteWhat other blogs are you on? Seems you do spend a lot of time here. As soon as Glenn posts a new topic, sure enough, shooter cannot be far behind.
You don't have to spend time on the NFL draft?
Great. Glad to see this is a full time endeavor for you.
Now, what other blogs do you write on?
It took a constitutional law attorney with just the right approach to make this book a success. Refraining from cataloging all the sins of the administration is it's great strength; no mention of Katrina, budgetary issues, Iraq or alienation of other countries.
ReplyDeleteOnly a highly focused book could do the job.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteLiberal bias in the media is a cancer. We must stamp it out to preserve free thought and honest debate.
We must stamp it out to preserve free thought and honest debate.
The ability to mutually exclusive thoughts in a single sentence is an art mastered by Bush extremists. They seem to have no problem with hypocrisy either. It's rampant among the right-wing droolers.
Stamping out ideas you disagree with to preserve free thought. What a concept.
I see several posts this morning from some new righties. Eagel? I don't know D-Dave, if that guys for real or not. if s/he is for real, s/he's pretty typical of the foaming-at-the-mouth Limbaugh Army. None too bright and plenty of it.
Dread scot: You really do home in on the gist of Glenn's post. The press performance or lack thereof is paramount in addressing these abuses. By pinpointing some of the assumptions that the public makes about how fair the press should be to the President and the honor and respect due his office you focus on those limits that the Bush spin machine exploits so well.
ReplyDeleteI'm having a tough time wrapping my head around these points right now. But what I can say so far is that what Glenn says and writes about must be driven down to the common person's level as much as possible. Granted, Glenn is a wonderful writer and his explanations and logic are startling in their clarity and forthrightness.
Still, the common person who has little time to deal with such clarity needs further and further emphasis from the Press. This is what they expect--they expect, in their private worlds, the Press and Congress to tend and protect the faith that they give to the government.
That this faith has been betrayed by the executive branch is apparent. That the Congress continues to abet that betrayal is also baldly obvious. That the press, however, does so is astounding.
Why do I say this? It is because if there's one thing that many Americans expect from the press is their vigilance in unveiling breaches of the public faith by the government.
I remember someone telling me, "Do you really think that the govt. could do these things {like lying and over-reaching constituional powers) without it getting into the news?"
It is that public faith that the press will do its job and vigilantly report abuses of power and the public trust that we must now question. Question and alert the public to the fact that the press has been co-opted by a lazy style and way of working that has led to their going to sleep at the wheel.
Betrayal all around seems the dish of the day. I think Glenn is right, however, in noting that not all in the press have betrayed the faith the public gives them. In doing so, I hope that the press will find some spirit to emulate Glenn's own courage and sacrifice and wake from their slumber.
Soaring Patriotic Eagel said...
ReplyDeleteThe liberal bias of Colbert and his apologists here is sickening. Those who insult our president to this degree should be in jail. Liberal bias should be illegal. NOT FUNNY, Mr. COLBERT!
Mr. Colbert has no liberal bias! He's a neo-neocon. Silly.
Freedom From Liberal Bias said...
Yes, like all liberals you will scrub any comments offering balance in this forum. Listen up: MOST AMERICANS SUPPORT OUR PRESIDENT.
Have you seen the POLLS lately?
Anonymous said...
Liberal bias in the media is a cancer. We must stamp it out to preserve free thought and honest debate.
Mr. Colbert, is that you?
Since the President is asserting that his role as Commander-in-Chief protects him when he breaks the law, wouldn't he lose that protection when he leaves office? Wouldn't he then be liable for each violation whose statute of limitations had not yet passed?
ReplyDeleteThe President and First Lady, personify the country, especially in time of war. Respectful and deferential disagreement is one thing, but overt disrespect is definitely unpatriotic and should not be tolerated.
ReplyDeleteAlso the Globe article is hysterical and without any foundation.
"What Colbert did took real courage and..."
ReplyDeleteReally, that's your threshold for defining courage?
loser--I have never served in the military, therefore no president has ever been MY C-in-C.
ReplyDeleteloser your thinking is so last century it's almost pre-historic.
This is a nation at war and since it's a war against terrorism and there has been a signing statement declaring this war permanent that means we are all in the military and the President is our C-in-C.
Terrorism is like anthrax. It could pop up anywhere so every citizen has to be moblized.
Stop making these fine distinctions. You're in the army now, son.
Whee. This is great. Love it, love it, love it. No more laws for anyone because since the Constitution says all men are equal under the law it means that this new "no laws" policy applies to everyone equally.
This is gr-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-at.
Party like it's the end-times, dudes. All's fair in love and war.
Anything to keep them from having to talk about socio-economic issues, right glenn?
ReplyDeleteSOUND LIKE ANYONE ELSE WE KNOW?
Soaring Patriotic Eagel:
ReplyDeleteSorry, but I must tell you that THIS is the proper way to spell Eagel:
EAGLE
Here's how you say it in Cherokee:
WOHALI
Also, Anonymous said...
The President and First Lady, personify the country, especially in time of war. Respectful and deferential disagreement is one thing, but overt disrespect is definitely unpatriotic and should not be tolerated.
They do NOT personify MY country! They lie, steal and destroy. They are my enemy!
Now go put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
We are heading for what I think will be a necessary but painful showdown the Bush administration.
ReplyDeleteWhat I am wondering about is that if things fall in the favor of the American public, and we end up with a Democratic majority in the House, and we go through the necessary legal proceedings to remove the president. Will Bush try to find a way not to honor them? I know this line of thought is out in tin-foil hat territory but given current behavior of the White House I can't imagine them easily ceding power.
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ReplyDeleteIn their coverage of the Colbert diatribe (in the classical sense), Editors and Publishers notes the acerbic remarks directed at the press:
ReplyDeleteAlso lampooning the press, Colbert complained that he was “surrounded by the liberal media who are destroying this country, except for Fox News. Fox believes in presenting both sides of the story — the president’s side and the vice president’s side." He also reflected on the alleged good old days, when the media was still swallowing the WMD story.
Addressing the reporters, he said, "Let's review the rules. Here's how it works. The president makes decisions, he’s the decider. The press secretary announces those decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make, announce, type. Put them through a spell check and go home. Get to know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration. You know--fiction." [my emphasis]
Now that's calling a spade a spade!
shoes of peace:
ReplyDeleteThey do NOT personify MY country! They lie, steal and destroy. They are my enemy!
And this statement makes you what? Can you say enemy combatant?
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteshoes of peace:
They do NOT personify MY country! They lie, steal and destroy. They are my enemy!
And this statement makes you what? Can you say enemy combatant?
No, anon. It makes you AND YOUR PRESIDENT the enemy combatant.
Do you UNDERSTAND?
The boston articles reviews 750 laws Bush plans to violate. We posted weeks ago dozens of laws that Bush actually violated in March 2006 to show that another impeachment ground should be added as a serial law breaker or habitual offender.
ReplyDeleteBush’s Impeachment As Serial Law Violator
nuf said:
ReplyDeleteThe law against insulting our president was passed when?
Read US Code TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 41 § 871
So now, finally, it's news that Bush thinks he doesn't have to obey the law. Geeze louise. He's been breaking laws since January 2001. If the news media had paid attention and acknowledged the implications then, we wouldn't have Bush to kick around now.
ReplyDeleteThe Globe story is superb. Credit for the first bite at this apple, though, really should go to Knight Ridder's Ron Hutcheson, who first identified the scope of the problem in January in connection with McCain's anti-torture amendment, and who came up with a perfectly iconic example:
ReplyDelete"In 2003, lawmakers tried to get a handle on Bush’s use of signing statements by passing a Justice Department spending bill that required the department to inform Congress whenever the administration decided to ignore a legislative provision on constitutional grounds.
Bush signed the bill, but issued a statement asserting his right to ignore the notification requirement."
Please forgive the following bit of bloggy narcissism: I wrote about it at the time, remarking that "the upshot of this is that until someone gets around to challenging the White House, Congress is just an advisory body with the authority to dole out bucketloads of cash. For now, we have a coup." At the time I thought Congress actually controlled where the money went, but of course even that's not true.
Soaring Patriotic Eagel said...
ReplyDeleteThe liberal bias of Colbert and his apologists here is sickening. Those who insult our president to this degree should be in jail. Liberal bias should be illegal. NOT FUNNY, Mr. COLBERT!
Can we also jail every Neocon, Conservative and Right Wing Republican and their apologists that insulted Clinton when he was president.
Maybe, we should also go back and declare that our founding fathers were criminals because they insulted their ruling Monarch at the time.
This country was founded on dissent. Now some people want to portray dissent as un-American and criminal. Maybe, they should go back and study history and our current Constitution.
ok, messed up link. correct link is
ReplyDeletehttp://www.patriotdaily.com/bm/blog/bushs-impeachment-as-seri.shtml
it was actually good that people didn't laugh, that would have reduced it to a "roast". It was more biting that way. In any case, at bottom this stuff isn't funny, but humor seems our only way to deal with it.
ReplyDeletethe helen thomas bit was the best.
ReplyDeletethat says where colbert's chief concern is and who his target was --
stalked by the oldest, physically slowest reporter in washington.
while other reporters were at home writing their new novel about a fearless reporter.
i guess colbert won't be eating any more cocktail weenies at the white house.
"... overt disrespect is definitely unpatriotic and should not be tolerated."
ReplyDeleteAh, it begins.
Please lay out the penalties which you feel should be imposed on such miscreants, who would dare be disrespectful to the First Lady in time of (perpetual) war.
Bonus story:
A radio newsperson of my acquaintance revealed to me this morning that her boss was accosted this week by a very incensed and arrogant listener.
Well, ex-listener, apparently. She was outraged beyond belief that this newsperson had dared to report on the newscast the fact that Bush's approval ratings had slipped into the low 30's.
And again... "the facts are biased".
The facts were, said the outraged ex-listener in all seriousness, "giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war". *
Stephen Colbert can only be described as a "satirist", as long as his conventions and schtick remain fictitious. When reality catches up... well, we're in a whole lotta trouble, I suspect.
* (In all fairness to that angry woman, I suppose it is indeed quite possible for Osama Binladen to plug a computer into the same power strip as his dialysis machine, and acquire superhuman military talents from listening to "Big Jay and Anita in the Morning"..! :-)
Anonymous said: nuf said:
ReplyDeleteThe law against insulting our president was passed when?
Read US Code TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 41 § 871
§ 871. Threats against President and successors to the Presidency
Release date: 2005-08-03
(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
Main Entry: 2in·sult
Pronunciation: 'in-"s<
Function: noun
1 : a gross indignity
2 : injury to the body or one of its parts; also : something that causes or has a potential for causing such insult
Main Entry: 1threat
Pronunciation: 'thret
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English thret coercion, threat, from Old English thrEat coercion; akin to Middle High German drOz annoyance, Latin trudere to push, thrust
1 : an expression of intention to inflict evil, injury, or damage
2 : one that threatens
3 : an indication of something impending
Anonymous, have you read the BIBLE lately, dear?
barry: Please lay out the penalties which you feel should be imposed on such miscreants, who would dare be disrespectful to the First Lady in time of (perpetual) war.
ReplyDeleteLet's get Medieval on their asses. I believe the medieval penalty for speaking nasty about power was ripping out their tongues. Let it be so...
>Will Bush try to find a way not to honor them? I know this line of thought is out in tin-foil hat territory but given current behavior of the White House I can't imagine them easily ceding power.<
ReplyDeleteYou don't need a tin-foil hat to wonder what would compel GW Bush to obey any court order.
Rip out our tongues and the ROCKS would cry out!
ReplyDelete(Okay, that was MUCH too serious. Time to go watch Mr. Colbert again. Or maybe I'll go read Mr. Franken.)
In this case, I suppose you'd have to cut off our fingers.
ReplyDelete(O, that was a good one.)
Shoes of peace:
ReplyDeleteRead US Code TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 41 § 871
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Yeah right! And calling the President an enemy combatant shows such benign intent on your part towards the President.
moblue:
ReplyDeleteCan we also jail every Neocon, Conservative and Right Wing Republican and their apologists that insulted Clinton when he was president.
Clinton was a sickening pervert who disgraced the Office of the Presidency by his personal actions in that very office. Your comparison is absurd.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteShoes of peace:
Read US Code TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 41 § 871
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Yeah right! And calling the President an enemy combatant shows such benign intent on your part towards the President.
anon, other than the fact that I preach Bush and his administration's IMPEACHMENT, you got NOTHIN'....now, about that Bible-reading, anon......
anon: And calling the President an enemy combatant shows such benign intent on your part towards the President.
ReplyDeleteNow we really are getting into the shit. Not only are the Bushite thought police going after those who voice their views in writing and audio, now they're playing Freud and reading our thoughts. Watch out folks--it's Orwell's nightmare come true.
I'll have to look up that beautiful description Orwell gives of how one must not only act and speak in conformity to the party line, they must also think the party line.
Nuf Said said...
ReplyDeleteShoes!
I was about to make a comparison to the bible re: anon and his/her desire to jail those who would disrespect those anointed by god, but you beat me to it.
Nuf, there are those who are truly annointed, like the Prophets, for example, and those that only PROFESS to be annointed, like the Pharisees ::::subliminal message BUSH subliminal message::::, for example.
From the newspeak dictionary:
ReplyDeleteThe purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of IngSoc, but to make all other modes of thought impossible. It was intended that when Newspeak had been adopted once and for all and Oldspeak forgotten, a heretical thought -- that is, a thought diverging from the principles of IngSoc -- should be literally unthinkable, at least so far as thought is dependent on words. Its vocabulary was so constructed as to give exact and often very subtle expression to every meaning that a Party member could properly wish to express, while excluding all other meaning and also the possibility of arriving at them by indirect methods. This was done partly by the invention of new words, but chiefly by eliminating undesirable words and stripping such words as remained of unorthodox meanings, and so far as possible of all secondary meaning whatever.
Jeebus, Glenn, you've hit the big time. You have more knuckle-dragging trolls than Atrios.
ReplyDeleteYou have to wonder: as it becomes clearer and clearer that the chimperor is a common criminal, will the apologists get louder, get even more ridiculous, or finally admit they were wrong?
I'm thinking they won't admit they were wrong.
Cynic Librarian, I'm especially fond of this passage, too:
ReplyDeleteThere was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever they wanted to. You had to live -- did live, from habit that became instinct -- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.
Here's a link to the whole book:
http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984
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Oops! I mean:
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orwell/1984/
"What Colbert did took real courage and..."
ReplyDeleteReally, that's your threshold for defining courage?
The right now defines a coward and a traitor as someone who stands up to power and defies authority. By this standard the lone student who blocked the tanks advancing on Tiananmen Square was a traitor and a coward. The real courageous patriots and heroes were the soldiers in the tanks and the leaders who ordered them to open fire. It's no longer a fringe right wing idea that our government should deal with liberals the same way the Chinese dealt with theirs.
Americans have traditionally had a reverence for those who are willing to stand against the odds. Our fiction is replete with such heroes, and given the ideals which founded the nation, that should be no surprise. That seems to have given over to something very different now, something that was never supposed to be able to happen here.
From the Boston Globe:
ReplyDeletePresident Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office
In the Declaration of Independence, the first grievance listed against King George III is:
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
On a fundamental level, this nation was founded as a direct answer to a leader who would not "assent to Laws". That President Bush (and his supporters) feel(s) the Constitution grants him the authority to do just that, reflects the poverty of his understanding of what American democracy is.
"to describe the state of affairs we have in our country is to describe, by definition, a state of authoritarian lawlessness."
ReplyDeleteThat particular type of state has a name: It's called fascism. And while the Cheneyites don't seem inclined to go all the way, at least not at present, their supporters (some of whom appear to have slithered their way into this thread) definitely are.
The powers that Cheney and his puppet president are accumulating are less dangerous for what they themselves are seeking to do with them (which is bad enough) than for what others who follow might try to do with them.
DO NOT miss Colbert's breathtakingly audacious speech. The expressions on the faces in the crowd, and the expressons on Bush's face, are priceless. You keep waiting for the tanks to come crashing through the walls.
ReplyDeleteFeingold. Colbert. Who's next? I can't wait to find out.
...or maybe you were snarking, in which case, oops.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry to see the discussion focus more on Colbert's comments than on the president's actions, as Colbert was not elected to office and Colbert is not the one trampling our civil liberties and checks and balances.
ReplyDeleteGlenn: as I pointed out in my own comments on the Savage story earlier today, I was surprised to read Goldsmith taking a "signing statements don't really matter" approach. It strikes me that "signing statements" may be as much an indication of what the president may do or will do as OLC memos and that we should treat any statement that suggests a failure to comply with the intent and wording of Congress as a potential violation of law.
I also pointed out that this story comes out at the same time that we learn that the VP has decided that he is exempt from an executive order that he's not been exempted from by the executive.
This administration is out of control in terms of upholding the constitution and I think that conservatives should rise up and insist on genuine and meaningful judicial and congressional oversight, or failing to accomplish that, raise the impeachment issue.
dread scot: Our fiction is replete with such heroes, and given the ideals which founded the nation, that should be no surprise. That seems to have given over to something very different now, something that was never supposed to be able to happen here.
ReplyDeleteIndeed it has. The reasons for this are varied, I think. The Bushites would like to limit courage to a netwrok of notions that include patriotism, military esprit, gut belief, anti-liberal PCness, and so on.
My rather shorthand take on this for the moment is the following: I subscribe to the deinition of courage as knowing what to fear and what not to fear. Americans are inundated every day with numerous stories that play on their fears and anxieties. this continual abrrage of images and sound-bytes train them to fear things that should not be feared but simply noted for what they are: bits of reality dressed up to look like dangers that threaten something undefined.
I suggest that the Bush admin played on this ersatz anxiety created by the entertainment press to instil a sense of impending fear from an amorphous, ill-defined terror. As such, the prevailing anxiousness creates a public that cannot understand true courage since it does not know what it means to fear the real thing to fear.
Needless to say, it doesn't help when you have your so-called leaders running around like chickens saying the sky's falling. This is true not only of Rep leaders but also of Rems. They lack the courage by definition since they refuse to acknowledge the real fear: the usurpation of constituional powers that this administration has set into motion.
ocdemocrat said...
ReplyDeleteAnd to add insult to injury, King George thinks he is a "benevolent" king( I say despot) brought to this position thru and for the grace of God.
They misunderstand Hayek in a fashion. It has happened before, with Neitzsche, and another group of fascists.
Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism.
Friedrich Hayek, 1981 interview in El Mercurio
The Cynic Librarian said:
ReplyDeleteI suggest that the Bush admin played on this ersatz anxiety created by the entertainment press to instil a sense of impending fear from an amorphous, ill-defined terror. As such, the prevailing anxiousness creates a public that cannot understand true courage since it does not know what it means to fear the real thing to fear.
Oh yes. And, in the meantime, he does everything in his power to treat GLOBAL WARMING as if it does not exist. Now THERE'S something we should be fearing and something we could have changed. Now I fear it's too late. Bush even talks about suspending automobile pollution controls as a temporary measure to lower gas prices! COME ON!!!
Colbert even talks about glaciers not being here for our grandchildren. It was funny, too, though sad.
shoes of peace: You had to live -- did live, from habit that became instinct -- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.
ReplyDeleteThis is a great quote, thank you. My fear is the following: We tend to assume that Americans will always know when their liberty/freedom is under threat. This view which assumes that there's something innate in human nature that will rise up against tyranny and despotism is a commonplace in much political thought.
What Orwell's work shows is that this might be an unwarranted premise. There is no innate human desire for freedom. Or if there is, it can be manipulated and ultimately destroyed by eradicating words and concepts. This is a radically different view on human nature than either liberals or conservatives are willing to admit.
Glenn's take on this, I think, is that by fousing on the breaking of the law perpetrated by this admin, we can thereby ensure the very liberties that are being threatened. There's a kernel of truth to this I think. Orwell himself points to it: the practice of liberty and freedom strengthens the perception and reality of those vital realities.
My concern is with the more extreme view of human nature that Orwell implies; that through language and press, the very desire for freedom itself will wither and die. That is, we face the very possibility that freedom itself will disappear and no one will recognize it because they do not have the ethical capacity to do so.
Through various forms of conditioning that Orwell dramatically portrays, but which are in reality much more mundane and innocuous in their everydayness, we will see the day when people read things like the Bill of Rights and Decalaration Independence and either do not comprehend what those words mean or interpret them according to the a the prevailing newspeak.
Glenn Greenwald
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If you have a problem with laws regarding keeping Congress informed, fine, have the laws changed. The answer is not for the leader of the Country to break the law. Jesus Christ, what happened to the conservatives love for the rule of law?
This conservative's love for the rule of law stops when it is being used as an obvious political tool. I believe the ranking members of the relevant committees are indeed informed, yes? Some 36 individuals if I recall correctly. So the issue really isn't whether Congress is shut out as is advertised, it's that Congress as a mob isn't given the keys to all our procedures. If I'm wrong, I'm sure you'll point out where, otherwise you're asking to enforce a rule whereby demonstrated liars and leakers (on both sides) are expected to defy their true natures. Do you really think that's a good idea?
The thing that rankles me in particular is the double standard here. The leakers of the original NSA material to the Times are still on the loose are they not? They violated the law did they not? But where is that prosecution? It's non-existent. How can that be? Possibly because certain breakages of the law have been redefined as "whistle-blowing"? Well then fine, let's redefine Bush's transgressions as "shielding". He is shielding Democrats from their desire to use every and anything to regain power including leaking how we do our detective work. As long as that sort of double standard is in place, you're not going to get anywhere.
Stripped to their essence, that is their core defense in the NSA scandal, too - that the President violated FISA because FISA is too restrictive of a law. Their faith in the Goodness of this President really is so absolute that they trust him to do anything, including break the laws whenever he deems it wise and just to do so.
Oh please, your faith in the goodness of the recipients of said information from reporting is no less absolute. If you actually believe that the entire Congress can keep a secret you are in the wrong arena. The only other plausible explanation for devotion to this particular letter of the law is that you have no expectation that Congress will keep a secret, and will use the information for partisan political purposes. Having seen a couple of your rants, it seems plausible. That of course would be the Democratic version of faith in their goodness
to know when to break laws when they deem it wise and just to do so. I truly hope you are not that devious and cynical.
"They misunderstand Hayek in a fashion."
ReplyDeleteThe Rule of Law was consciously evolved only during the liberal age and is one of its greatest achievements, not only as a safeguard but as the only legal embodiment of freedom. As Immanuel Kant put it (and Voltaire expressed it before him in very much the same terms), "Man is free if he needs to obey no person but solely the laws." As a vague ideal it has, however, existed at least since Roman times, and during the last few centuries it has never been so seriously threatened as it is today. The idea that there is no limit to the powers of the legislator is in part a result of popular sovereignty and democratic government. It has been strengthened by the belief that, so long as all actions of the state are duly authorized by legislation, the Rule of Law will be preserved. But this is completely to misconceive the meaning of the Rule of Law. This rule has little to do with the question whether all actions of government are legal in the juridical sense. They may well be and yet not conform to the Rule of Law. The fact that someone has full legal authority to act in the way he does gives no answer to the question whether the law gives him power to act arbitrarily or whether the law prescribes unequivocally how he has to act. It may well be that Hitler has obtained his unlimited powers in a strictly constitutional manner and that whatever he does is therefore legal in the juridical sense. But who would suggest for that reason that the Rule of Law still prevails in Germany? -F.A. Hayek, The Road to Surfdom (1944)
Where the hell were you When Bill Clinton was doing the same things,having reporters jailed for asking embarassing questions and usung the presidency for his personal plaything and completely ignoring the important things going on.
ReplyDelete"it is only a matter of time before the public starts to realize how severe the crisis is that we have in our country"
ReplyDeleteWe know! Look at the polls! Impeach!
I'm a loony nut case who is a danger to himself and to others. Institutionalize me!
ReplyDeleteThe Cynic Librarian says:
ReplyDeleteThrough various forms of conditioning that Orwell dramatically portrays, but which are in reality much more mundane and innocuous in their everydayness, we will see the day when people read things like the Bill of Rights and Decalaration Independence and either do not comprehend what those words mean or interpret them according to the a the prevailing newspeak.
Of course, it doesn't help when the president-- who takes a sworn oath, with his right hand on the Bible, to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America -- calls the Constitution "a god-damned piece of paper". Knowing what we know today, is there really any doubt that this is true?
http://www.freemarketnews.com/
WorldNews.asp?nid=3602
A very small point, but Portland State does not have a law school and Phillip Cooper does not have a law degree:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.upa.pdx.edu/pdf/bio_cooper.pdf
Doesn't mean his opinion isn't valid but nice to get all the facts right...
>Where the hell were you When Bill Clinton was doing the same things<
ReplyDeleteThis isn't about partisanship. If it were a Democrat declaring that he can ignore the will of Congress and the Judiciary then it would still be just as much a crisis as it is now.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeletemoblue:
Can we also jail every Neocon, Conservative and Right Wing Republican and their apologists that insulted Clinton when he was president.
Clinton was a sickening pervert who disgraced the Office of the Presidency by his personal actions in that very office. Your comparison is absurd.
Once again anonymous can not use facts or logic to substantiate his argument and therefore can only resort to childish name calling.
Bush disgraces the Office of Presidency every day he is in office by continually breaking the laws of the land, by initiating an unlawful war and by his ongoing attempts to destroy the very Constitution he swore on a bible to protect. Seems to me your comparison is absurd. Sex vs tens of thousands dead - no comparison at all.
Fabulous article.
ReplyDeleteFabulous speech by Colbert.
They deserve huge applause.
I read the Boston Globe piece, and I've heard just now that the video at C&L is only half of the actual Colbert roast. Looking for the other half now.
ReplyDeleteThanks.
50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
Goper's Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)
Glen,
ReplyDeleteTick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick Tock......
Your 15 minutes has now expired.
Fun while it lasted, and better than most.
Congrats,
Says the "Dog"
Glenn--An equally important and related article appears today in the Chicago Tribune (front page, top of the foldl). Titled "Bush Team Imposes Thick Veil of Secrecy," it details how the Vice-President's office has asserted its right to circumvent disclosure of how it is classifying documents, as required by law. If I'm not mistaken, this (together with the Globe article) suggests a sort of cottage industry with its own assembly line: president asserts right to circumvent laws enacted by Congress, if he wishes, though he's not saying when or how; vice-president reserves right to classify at will, without reporting on having done so, thereby keeping information about president's extra-legal activities off the books.The perfect closed shop. At any rate, the Tribune article (with accompanying graphs) should also be read in its entirety:
ReplyDeleteAs the Bush administration has dramatically accelerated the classification of information as "top secret" or "confidential," one office is refusing to report on its annual activity in classifying documents: the office of Vice President Dick Cheney.
A standing executive order, strengthened by President Bush in 2003, requires all agencies and "any other entity within the executive branch" to provide an annual accounting of their classification of documents. More than 80 agencies have collectively reported to the National Archives that they made 15.6 million decisions in 2004 to classify information, nearly double the number in 2001, but Cheney continues to insist he is exempt.
Explaining why the vice president has withheld even a tally of his office's secrecy when such offices as the National Security Council routinely report theirs, a spokeswoman said Cheney is "not under any duty" to provide it.
That is only one way the Bush administration, from its opening weeks in 2001, has asserted control over information. By keeping secret so many directives and actions, the administration has precluded the public--and often members of Congress--from knowing about some of the most significant decisions and acts of the White House.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0604300395apr30,1,5984422.story?coll=chi-news-hed
samela
Glenn:
ReplyDeleteBe sure to check out today's story in the Chicago Tribune on this same topic, especially this:
A standing executive order, strengthened by President Bush in 2003, requires all agencies and "any other entity within the executive branch" to provide an annual accounting of their classification of documents. More than 80 agencies have collectively reported to the National Archives that they made 15.6 million decisions in 2004 to classify information, nearly double the number in 2001, but Cheney continues to insist he is exempt.
Explaining why the vice president has withheld even a tally of his office's secrecy when such offices as the National Security Council routinely report theirs, a spokeswoman said Cheney is "not under any duty" to provide it.
Moblue, so I guess we have a bunch of unlawful democraps in congress who voted for, continue to vote for, and continue to fund what you claim to be an "unlawful" war. Or maybe its that you are just full of shit when you call it "unlawful".
ReplyDeleteIts a war. We are winning. It continues to be supported by a majority of democraps in congress, by continuing to fund it. Congress authorized the war by its declarations and funding. The constitution authorizes the war by directing the highest duty of the President to protect and defend the constitution which has been interpreted to mean protect and defend the country for 150 or more years.
And worst of all to you I'm sure is the fact that we are winning and are cities aren't yet blowing up around you, as your policy positions would strongly suggest is the desire of the far left moonbats.
Says the "Dog"
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteGood post, but the Lucianne Goldberg comment was an irrelevant distraction that was a complete reach. Corrected, it becomes extra irrelevant, but no less distracting, and embarrassing. Trying to attach a writers commenters to some greater point will only come back to bite you in the ass or encourage mass deletions of comments in order to stave off any association.
The brilliance of Colbert, besides his delivery, is that he creates a context where you just can't tell if "soaring patriotic eagel" and "freedom from liberal bias" are serious or not. At the same time making democrats very nervous also. How the hell did he get this gig? Frickin Hilarious. Get some "Strangers with Candy", the first two seasons cannot be topped.
(Jerri takes a career aptitude test while hooked up to a lie detector)
Mr. Noblet: What’s your favorite color?
Jerri: Lemon... (lie detector beeps) ...(reluctantly) Rust... (Ding!)
Mr. Noblet: What is your favorite food?
Jerri: Crepe suzette. (Beep!) ...(reluctantly) Meatballs. (Ding!)
Mr. Noblet: If you could be any animal in the world, what would you be?
Jerri: Kitten. (Beep!) ...(reluctantly) Snake. (Ding!)
Mr. Noblet: Let’s add up your score and see what this correlates to in the back of the book...
(rolling his knuckles across a calculator)
Doctor.. Lawyer... Junkie whore.
Jerri: Junkie whore! Wait, I’ve already done that.
The power of impeachment was granted to congress as the ultimate check against abuse of power by the executive. It's purpose is to protect the republic from tyranny, not adultery. Bill Clinton is an adulterer. George Bush is a tyrant. I don't see any comparison either.
ReplyDeleteBill Clinton broke federal law by lying to the face of a federal judge to obstruct justice in a federal civil rights lawsuit. It was for this that he was disbarred and disgraced as a now ex-lawyer in Arkansas, he made a plea deal with the special prosecutor to take the disbarrment and disgrace as his punishment in exchange for not facing more serious charges. Scooter Libby is charged with doing FAR LESS than that which Clinton was, in effect, found guilty of doing.
ReplyDeleteBill Clinton, the presidential cigar humidor contained a surgen general's warning that said "Caution: These cigars may cause a yeast infection".
What a guy. Our first Jerry Springer, trailer trash president from the typical trailer trash dysfunctional broken, alcoholic, wife beater T-Shirt wearing trailer parks of Arkansas.
Says the "Dog"
Good post, but the Lucianne Goldberg comment was an irrelevant distraction that was a complete reach. Corrected, it becomes extra irrelevant, but no less distracting, and embarrassing.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree. The comment is illustrative of how many Bush defenders think, how they equate criticism of the president with a lack of patriotism. I think that thought process, as much as anything else, has created a climate where the president is infallible and is justified in doing anything, including breaking the law.
I didn't use that comment in order to pin it on Lucianne Goldberg, and when I thought she wrote it, what was important isn't who wrote it but the idea itself. That idea is far from uncommon and is, I think, both pernicious and revealing. That's why I think it's worth highlighting it.
I think we can confidently assume that every section of newly enacted legislation that is the subject of a Bush "signing statement" is not actually being executed or followed by the president.
ReplyDeleteAnd with Bush's theory of executive power and perogative being so broad, we literally have no idea how many federal statutes in existence before Jan 2001 are not being executed or followed. FISA is the tip of the iceberg, obviously.
To talk about "the rule of law" in such circumstances is delusional. We now live in an elected dictatorial regime, with limited judicial oversight for those entities that can afford it.
Phd9,
ReplyDeleteA democrap president would only declare he had the right to break the law in order to get laid or sell out the security of the country, and yes THAT would be a crisis.
One thing we agree with, a democrap president would never assert the constitutional authority to actually defend and protect the country. Democrats just don't think in those terms.
Says the "Dog"
Shooter,
ReplyDeleteYou cannot actually be serious. This is the United States of America just as a reminder. We do not give up our core principals (rule of law, constitution) because of a terriorist act. I don't care how scared you are, they win if we do that. Checkes and balances are not partican politics. The president cannot act as he wants with no oversite because of national security. Contrary to what you think the even though therre have been leaks by both sides, congress will not immediatly vomit forth all they hear in oversite hearings. Bush leaks shit all the time; you have unrelenting faith that he will do only good. Unfortunatly, we have to remind you and all the other bush apologists that this country does not run on faith. Its called the constitution. Aplying its principals is not partican politics. Your eagerness to excuse this predsident no matter how obvious his lawlessness because of this "war on terror", or some perceived congressional mob is pathetic and glaringly un-american.
wow, I can't believe David Neiwert and I posted the exact same thing at the same time. Talk about yer synchronicity.
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Shoes Of Peace:
ReplyDeleteHate to break it to you but the jury is still way out on whether global warming (meaning an abnormal non geological time based cycle is happening at all, and it is non-existent as to evidence to show man made causes are having anything but an insignificant infinitesimal impact on global warming cycles).
Mars is also warming up and its polar ice caps have disappeared over the last 5 years. Last time I looked not many factories and SUV's on Mars. Mars is warming up for the same reason the earth may be warming up. The SUN IS PUTTING OUT MORE ENERGY WHICH TRANSLATES TO MORE HEAT. DUH. Its also possible that geothermal activity in the layers of the earth may be causing a warming trend.
What we don't know if all this sun activity, geo thermal activity etc is or isn't part of a natural many thousands of years cycle of warming a cooling of the earth.
Look these up just for starts:
There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998
By Bob Carter
(Filed: 09/04/2006)
For many years now, human-caused climate change has been viewed as a large and urgent problem. In truth, however, the biggest part of the problem is neither environmental nor scientific, but a self-created political fiasco. Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).
Yes, you did read that right. And also, yes, this eight-year period of temperature stasis did coincide with society's continued power station and SUV-inspired pumping of yet more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998
By Bob Carter
(Filed: 09/04/2006)
For many years now, human-caused climate change has been viewed as a large and urgent problem. In truth, however, the biggest part of the problem is neither environmental nor scientific, but a self-created political fiasco. Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).
Yes, you did read that right. And also, yes, this eight-year period of temperature stasis did coincide with society's continued power station and SUV-inspired pumping of yet more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
In response to these facts, a global warming devotee will chuckle and say "how silly to judge climate change over such a short period". Yet in the next breath, the same person will assure you that the 28-year-long period of warming which occurred between 1970 and 1998 constitutes a dangerous (and man-made) warming. Tosh. Our devotee will also pass by the curious additional facts that a period of similar warming occurred between 1918 and 1940, well prior to the greatest phase of world industrialisation, and that cooling occurred between 1940 and 1965, at precisely the time that human emissions were increasing at their greatest rate.
Does something not strike you as odd here? That industrial carbon dioxide is not the primary cause of earth's recent decadal-scale temperature changes doesn't seem at all odd to many thousands of independent scientists. They have long appreciated - ever since the early 1990s, when the global warming bandwagon first started to roll behind the gravy train of the UN Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) - that such short-term climate fluctuations are chiefly of natural origin. Yet the public appears to be largely convinced otherwise. How is this possible?
Since the early 1990s, the columns of many leading newspapers and magazines, worldwide, have carried an increasing stream of alarmist letters and articles on hypothetical, human-caused climate change. Each such alarmist article is larded with words such as "if", "might", "could", "probably", "perhaps", "expected", "projected" or "modelled" - and many involve such deep dreaming, or ignorance of scientific facts and principles, that they are akin to nonsense.
The problem here is not that of climate change per se, but rather that of the sophisticated scientific brainwashing that has been inflicted on the public, bureaucrats and politicians alike. Governments generally choose not to receive policy advice on climate from independent scientists. Rather, they seek guidance from their own self-interested science bureaucracies and senior advisers, or from the IPCC itself. No matter how accurate it may be, cautious and politically non-correct science advice is not welcomed in Westminster, and nor is it widely reported.
Marketed under the imprimatur of the IPCC, the bladder-trembling and now infamous hockey-stick diagram that shows accelerating warming during the 20th century - a statistical construct by scientist Michael Mann and co-workers from mostly tree ring records - has been a seminal image of the climate scaremongering campaign. Thanks to the work of a Canadian statistician, Stephen McIntyre, and others, this graph is now known to be deeply flawed.
There are other reasons, too, why the public hears so little in detail from those scientists who approach climate change issues rationally, the so-called climate sceptics. Most are to do with intimidation against speaking out, which operates intensely on several parallel fronts.
First, most government scientists are gagged from making public comment on contentious issues, their employing organisations instead making use of public relations experts to craft carefully tailored, frisbee-science press releases. Second, scientists are under intense pressure to conform with the prevailing paradigm of climate alarmism if they wish to receive funding for their research. Third, members of the Establishment have spoken declamatory words on the issue, and the kingdom's subjects are expected to listen.
On the alarmist campaign trail, the UK's Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir David King, is thus reported as saying that global warming is so bad that Antarctica is likely to be the world's only habitable continent by the end of this century. Warming devotee and former Chairman of Shell, Lord [Ron] Oxburgh, reportedly agrees with another rash statement of King's, that climate change is a bigger threat than terrorism. And goodly Archbishop Rowan Williams, who self-evidently understands little about the science, has warned of "millions, billions" of deaths as a result of global warming and threatened Mr Blair with the wrath of the climate God unless he acts. By betraying the public's trust in their positions of influence, so do the great and good become the small and silly.
Two simple graphs provide needed context, and exemplify the dynamic, fluctuating nature of climate change. The first is a temperature curve for the last six million years, which shows a three-million year period when it was several degrees warmer than today, followed by a three-million year cooling trend which was accompanied by an increase in the magnitude of the pervasive, higher frequency, cold and warm climate cycles. During the last three such warm (interglacial) periods, temperatures at high latitudes were as much as 5 degrees warmer than today's. The second graph shows the average global temperature over the last eight years, which has proved to be a period of stasis.
The essence of the issue is this. Climate changes naturally all the time, partly in predictable cycles, and partly in unpredictable shorter rhythms and rapid episodic shifts, some of the causes of which remain unknown. We are fortunate that our modern societies have developed during the last 10,000 years of benignly warm, interglacial climate. But for more than 90 per cent of the last two million years, the climate has been colder, and generally much colder, than today. The reality of the climate record is that a sudden natural cooling is far more to be feared, and will do infinitely more social and economic damage, than the late 20th century phase of gentle warming.
The British Government urgently needs to recast the sources from which it draws its climate advice. The shrill alarmism of its public advisers, and the often eco-fundamentalist policy initiatives that bubble up from the depths of the Civil Service, have all long since been detached from science reality. Intern-ationally, the IPCC is a deeply flawed organisation, as acknowledged in a recent House of Lords report, and the Kyoto Protocol has proved a costly flop. Clearly, the wrong horses have been backed.
As mooted recently by Tony Blair, perhaps the time has come for Britain to join instead the new Asia-Pacific Partnership on Clean Development and Climate (AP6), whose six member countries are committed to the development of new technologies to improve environmental outcomes. There, at least, some real solutions are likely to emerge for improving energy efficiency and reducing pollution.
Informal discussions have already begun about a new AP6 audit body, designed to vet rigorously the science advice that the Partnership receives, including from the IPCC. Can Britain afford not to be there?
• Prof Bob Carter is a geologist at James Cook University, Queensland, engaged in paleoclimate research
Says the "Dog"
Hey "dog",
ReplyDeleteI really feel unclean speaking to you but, are you aware that 911 happened on Bush's watch? Not Clinton's. Are you aware that the U.S. economy was doing pretty well under Clinton? What has Bush done to it? Are you aware that Bush/Cheney works for BIG Oil? How's that working for you?
Is that simple enough for you? P.S. don't respond. I really don't care what you have to say.
nuf said: Simply put, Mr. Colbert declared that the chimperor has no clothes and the country was watching.
ReplyDeleteThe jury will see the facts for what they are and feel comfortable talking about them.
What's somewhat unesttling, though, is how uncomfortable many of the press in the room seemed to be with Colbert's schtick. Uncomfortable.
That Colbert actually had to lampoon this administration is one thing; that the press finds the truths he voiced as being somehow out of bounds is a ghastly indictment of their coziness with themselves and this admin's unconstituional behavior.
databaz,
ReplyDeleteThe trial involved the civil rights of a female employee not to be asked to blow her boss. So yes it was a civil rights trial. The case wasn't thrown out Clinton's side agreed to pay off the victim with $800,000.00 I believe was the settlement amount. Clinton was disbarred in Arkansas and is a no disgraced lawyer for his illegal conduct.
Says the "Dog"
Hey "dog",
ReplyDelete...are you aware that 911 happened on Bush's watch?
Shit happens especially after 8 years of incompetence in foreign affiars and defense matters. Why else do you think Sandy Burglar was stuffing national security documents in his trousers and jockeys. He was attempting to and succeeded in hiding his and the Clinton team's incompetence from the 9/11 commission.
Are you aware that the U.S. economy was doing pretty well under Clinton?
Are you aware that Clinton's economic boom was largely a false bubble of dot.com madness that rivaled the great tulip follies of the Netherlands several hundred years earlier. That his economic performance was as phony and full of hot air as the dot.com bubble it was based upon.
Are you aware the country was already 3 to 4 months into recession starting PRIOR to Bush taking office. Are you aware that 9/11 cost a MILLION jobs. Are you aware that all those jobs have now been restored plus about 5 million more on top of that. Are you aware that the economy is doing better now than at any time under Clinton, only without the dot.com bubble?
More importantly, Are you aware?
Bush/Cheney works for BIG Oil? How's that working for you?
Are you saying that the President and Vice-President are receiving cash payments from Oil Companies? Or are you just making the moonbat complaint that politicians should only be people who have never actually worked in their lives and have no experience in any major industry in our economy?
Are you aware that current gasoline prices are direct result of over taxation of gasoline, democraps continual aborting of drilling and exploration in ANWR, the eastern gulf coast 50 to 100 miles off the coast (and despite the fact that Canada and China are drilling there right now!!!!!!! but USA companies can't), the democraps enviromental nazi's making it impossible to build more refineries and nuclear power facilities over the last 30 years?
I doubt that was simple enough for you.
Says the "Dog"
What Clinton did or didn't do while in office is pretty much irrelevant to the current discussion. I'm much more concerned with what J. Edgar Hoover did or didn't do.
ReplyDeleteThe entire Colbert "performance" can be found (I think it's the entire thing) at chris floyd's empire burlesque. No rush. I'm sure it will be there for quite some time.
ReplyDeleteIt's remarkable that Bush and his administration behaves consistently like a passive-aggressive child.
ReplyDeleteThey accept the rules given to them, then go off and breakt them, and when they get caught, they pretend they were doing it all for *your* benefit.
It reminds me of the Bill Cosby routine where he catches his young son in the kitchen with his hand in the cookie jar, and the son holds out the cookie and says "I was getting it for YOU..."
Jeff
Shoes Of Peace,
ReplyDeleteYour intellect is showing.
Ad Hominem attacks the last vestige of the inane whose talking points have been exhausted.
Try changing your picture to have sets of hands over both eyes and ears, and use a monkey instead of an indian. That would be more reflective of your abilities.
Says the "Dog"
Dog: Moblue, so I guess we have a bunch of unlawful democraps in congress who voted for, continue to vote for, and continue to fund what you claim to be an "unlawful" war. Or maybe its that you are just full of shit when you call it "unlawful".
ReplyDelete----
The AUMF was about Afghanistan, dunce. Bush expanded its reach beyond its spirit and letter to include Iraq on false pretenses.
And how do I (and anyone with working gray matter know it's unlawful? ALlow me to refer you to Article VI of the Constitution:
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
The UN Charter is a treaty to which the US is a primary signatory, and Art VI makes its provisions 'the supreme law of the land.'
The UN Charter prohibits aggressive war by it's signatories. The Iraq war is a war of aggression against a nation that had not attached us.
Thus, attacking Iraq violated the UN Charter and, by extension, the provisions of the US Constitution.
Impeachable.
Just because few have had the stones to stand up and say so in the public arena doesn't chage that unalterable fact.
QED, dullard.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteSince the President is asserting that his role as Commander-in-Chief protects him when he breaks the law, wouldn't he lose that protection when he leaves office? Wouldn't he then be liable for each violation whose statute of limitations had not yet passed?
No.
Databez,
ReplyDeleteIts the Clinton supporters that bring Clinton up more often than anyone else.
The lying about the request for a hummer took place in front of a federal judge while Clinton was President. That was why he was impeached.
Says the "Dog"
Nuf said said:
ReplyDeleteShoes, Dog is rabid and we just collapse him. Just click in the upper right of his comment and away he goes.
Nufsaid, I can't thank you enough! I didn't know you could do that. What a relief. Thank you, thank you....
What I simply love about people like Dog is how much he and his pack of beta males just love their Alpha male leader.
ReplyDeleteNot only are they willing to impeach someone for getting a blowjob, they're unwilling to impeach their great pooch-in-command for fucking them and everyone else in the constitutional ass.
Impeach for getting a piece but throw in jail for trying to get some peace.
Bustacap,
ReplyDeleteYour bullshit about the AUMF and Afghanistan is laid bare for all to see because the democraps keep funding the tropps in Iraq. The congress is free to to declare victory and refuse to fund the troops remaining in Iraq anytime they wish. The fact that they continue to fund troops and operations in Iraq means either the democraps, the majority of which vote for this funding, don't think its an unlawful war or they are openly supporting an unlawful war. Which is it then for these democraps?
The operation in Iraq and the future operations in Iran are defensive. Hussein was given 14 years to avoid the attack. The UN voted serious consequences for his failures and thereby authorized the action. Further, treaties do NOT trump the constitution itself, and the constitution's highest command to the president is to protect and defend the constitution, which has been interpreted for at least 150 years to be a command to the President to protect and defend the USA from all enemies foreign and domestic.
There is more interpretations of the language you quote than you have imagined, so I'd be careful whom you call a dullard. The world and the constitution are more nuanced than your simple minded interpretations would have it.
Says the "Dog"
I see the Cynic Librarian isn't capable of reading for content or understanding the nuances between the act of coming Monica's mouth versus lying to a federal judge in order to obstruct justice in a federal civil rights lawsuit. So much for sisterhood, no means no, equality in the workplace for women, and all those high sounding themes democraps *pretend* to love so much.
ReplyDeleteFortunately, the Federal Judge and the State Bar of Arkansas understand the difference. Now, whose gonna teach it to the poor students and people relying on the Cyncic Librarian for knowledge.
Is there any wonder government supported education is so woefully inadequate, when its largely staffed by people who couldn't cut it in life any where else?
Says the "Dog"
In a response to Glenn’s post, a right-wing blogger named Riehl calls Glenn a “liar.”
ReplyDeleteThe Left seems intent about going on and on over this non-issue. And I'm glad to see Bush is at least continuing the Reagan tradition of reining in Congress and the judicial branch. Both have encroached on the Executive Branch over the years and they continue to try and do so….
The Left refuses to admit the truth. They weren't as worried when Clinton did it because they knew he didn't have the desire or willingness to actually conduct a serious war in defense of the country. Thankfully, Bush does.
As proof he quotes a Clinton signing statement here::
I will interpret this provision consistent with my constitutional authority to conduct the foreign relations of the United States and my responsibilities as Commander in Chief.
Is that proof that Clinton did the same exact thing as Bush?
Hmmm. It seems so doesn’t it? However, if you read Clinton’s very next sentence we may see a difference:
While I am troubled by a provision requiring the Department of Defense to seek specific authorization for the payment of fines or penalties for environmental violations, I will direct the Department to seek such authorization on any fine or penalty it receives, ensuring full accountability for all such violations.
Isn’t Clinton saying there that while he’s troubled he will follow the law? Isn’t that the difference? That he did obey the law that Congress passed, and Bush doesn’t.
Also, has any other president done what the Boston Globe says Bush does?
“He agrees to a compromise with members of Congress, and all of them are there for a public bill-signing ceremony, but then he takes back those compromises -- and more often than not, without the Congress or the press or the public knowing what has happened,"
Who else did that? Reagan? Carter? Dubya’s daddy? Clinton? Any evidence?
In short, is there any evidence at all that all presidents since Reagan have used signing statements to openly flout a law passed by Congress?
"the Dog" said...
ReplyDeleteShoes Of Peace,
Your intellect is showing.
Ad Hominem attacks the last vestige of the inane whose talking points have been exhausted.
Try changing your picture to have sets of hands over both eyes and ears, and use a monkey instead of an indian. That would be more reflective of your abilities.
Says the "Dog"
Ad Hominem attacks the last vestige of the inane whose talking points have been exhausted.
Yet another example of right-wing ability to be doing the very thing they're accusing someone else of doing, without the slightest sense of hypocrisy.
The Dog is one of those ultra-partisans who think everybody is either on his side, or the other side. He has no comprehension that most people couldn't care less whether dems or republicans are more prone to stupidity. He thinks every time he mentions Clinton that all the people who think Bush is the worst POTUS in history are gut-punched into submission. That's because every time someone says Bush is the worst POTUS in history, the dog feels personally insulted. Like the Bush worshippers Glenn describes, he isn't interested in politics out of concern for America--he's more into being part of a club. That's why he never even thinks to wonder what the fuss is about over Bush's law-breaking. All the dog sees is a guy in his gang being called out. The dog comes yapping to the rescue with accusations of democrat follies, as if anyone here gives a rats ass if Clinton got a blowjob and lied to keep his wife from knowing about it. The dog doesn't have the capacity to weigh consequences or see the difference between lies about personal things that never should have been in the news, versus lies that have gotten thousands of people killed.
The dog is a direct result of years of listening to right-wing yammering on radio and TV. He worships limbaugh and hannity and wants oh so badly to be like them. A paranoid, middle-aged white man who is scared to death that his world is being overrun by minorites and liberals and democrats and hippies. When he sees the Fearless Leader being talked about in less than reverential tones, his blood boils and he starts yipping like a chihuahua that "Clinton LIED!" Then he spouts a bunch of yalking points that he got off the net about the economy, none of which are remotely accurate, to cover 5 years of the most inept fiscal management in US history. It galls him that Clinton managed to pay down the debt and bring surpluses that stretched into the future for our kids, only to have repubs spend like drunken Paris Hiltons on Rodeo drive, slashing taxes for the rich and breaking the bank once and for all. Bush was the first POTUS since the depression to go a full term without a single job created. Clinton created 250,000 jobs a month for 8 YEARS.
These loyal repubs are a bizarre phenom. They are a product of media hype and lies, springing from too many hours listening to paranoid ravings of like-minded idjits. They don't care about any particular political, agenda. Whatever their leader says is important, thats what they believe. If he changes his mind, so do they. If you point out the flip-flop, your a Bush-hater. Its the world thru the eyes of frightened little men. They're part of a tough-talking gang that will come to their rescue if they should ever get caught having to explain their hypocrisy.
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your reply. If you are 100% sure that the commenter wasn't a member of the Colbert Nation, then it is an illustrative comment. You are a very good researcher, but your skills seem to diminish on the "Bush Supporter" theme. Ultimately, all you are doing is creating an opening for attack and an emotional wedge that allows those who may not be open to your facts, to have a comfortable fallback of ignorance.
The paid propagandists will always preach the administration's lines. The professional trolls will just follow the money. They should both be strangled by seducing their clientele with facts, reason and a sharp wit. Those who are the easiest led should be the easiest to capture. Credibility is the best lure you can have.
We have become a nation that has a higher allegiance to political parties than to reason, facts and philosophy. Anything, even inadvertently, that perpetuates this meme is an enemy of truth. Why we have become like this is a very interesting issue. Pursuing it in a partisan manner will not solve the problem.
"The singer not the song...NO!!"
I could also be completely wrong. Either way, please understand my criticism comes from a deep respect for your work.
the dog: Is there any wonder government supported education is so woefully inadequate, when its [sic] largely staffed by people who couldn't cut it in life any where [sic] else?
ReplyDeleteIf I could make any sense out of what you say, I guess I might chance a response. As it is, I'll take the above quote as some indication of the fact that the rest of your comments reflect--indeed--the failures of the public educational system.
Dog don't have no facts to straighten. None what so evah. Everything the Dog types is lies, lies, lies.
ReplyDeletePlz. read book on Clinton years, find cites to back up dribbling, puppy. It's your side brings up the Big Dog all the time, to your Chihuahua shame.
Shoes of Peace where have you been all my life? Breath of fresh air.
ReplyDeleteDog, get lost. The humans here want to play with other humans on this site. Go lie down with some fleas. Your jealousy of Glenn is pretty obvious. The better he gets, the gets the harder you try to discredit him. Sad. Being flea ridden must be very uncomfortable. Seek solace elsewhere.
This sentence takes the all time cake:
Whoever invited him failed to realize that he is MOCKING conservatives and Fox News types (especially O'Reilly), not in a nice way either.
This is scary rather than funny. Not only are these lawless, corrupt dictators who have ruined this country delusional but they are stupid beyond belief.
Bill Kristol actually went on Colbert's show thinking that Colbert was a Bush supporter.
How can people be so dumb?
Dog: here's a tip. Don't go on Colbert's show. He doesn't really admire Bush. It's called irony but I guess that takes a higher I.Q. to discern.
Talk about stoopid.
As for Colbert: OMG is right. Biggest show of guts since Glenn chose the title for his book.
My congratulations, Dog.
ReplyDeleteYou've managed to actually steer the discussion away from the now-inarguable fact President Bush is a serial law-breaker (or at the very least feels he can freely and repeated *ignore* the law, including those he himself has signed into being)...and onto a discussion of President Clinton's personal failings and the subsequent embarrassment of an impeachment.
Quite the accomplishment. Almost as impressive as the current Administration's successfully turning Iraq from a stable if unfriendly country into a completely unstable and distinctly unfriendly basket-case that barely qualifies as a 'country'.
Yes, very, very impressive. And utterly irrelevant to the issue originally under discussion.
Nothing to say about the fact President Bush apparently never felt he was bound by the rule of law like every other US citizen? No defense to offer? No rationalization for this well-documented undermining of our nation's laws?
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYour post was a well constructed exposition of what the left believes about conservatives.
None of it accurate in the slightest however, which is why your side has kept losing against all odds in your favor. According to history your side should have won in 2002 and again you should have picked up congressional power in 2004, but in both instances your side lost. You lost despite the fact that history and the odds were on your side for congressional victories. You lost because you are smugly confident you understand people like me, when in fact you don't. You don't bother to try, you are content to make your psycho babble analyses and hypothecations without the slightest bit of research or investigation. Odds are again on your side's favor for congressional pickups in 2006. Having lost when you should have won previously, your side may win some gains finally. It will just be a matter not being able to lose everytime when you should win, but you will no doubt see some great sea change in the American people. You will be wrong, but too smug to realize it until its too late.
Says the "Dog"
"This conservative's love for the rule of law stops when it is being used as an obvious political tool"
ReplyDeleteThe partisan persecution of Bill Clinton was exactly that. He was impeached for one reason only, the Republican congress refused to accept a Democratic president. It went a long way toward 'poisoning the atmosphere in Washingon'. Since they would never have considered subjecting a Republican president to the same level of oversight and investigation, much less themselves, it was selective, and therefore unfair.
That being said, at no time was the constitution in jeopardy or essential liberties at risk. It was a mean partisan cat fight between the two parties and their supporters and reflected badly on both, but if there is a better side to err on, that was it. Overzealous oversight, even for the most crass partisan motives, is preferable to the outright failure to uphold their oaths of office and defend the constitution from attack by an executive who has openly declared his contempt for anything in it which might be interpreted as limiting his power.
Grinding the wheels of government to a halt with bitter partisan squabbles is hardly desirable, but the separation of powers, checks and balances and the stated intent of the framers themselves are clear in that such an outcome is preferred to a smoothly running tyranny.
Yankeespendragon:
ReplyDeleteI didn't start the stuff about Clinton. I merely responded to other people's posts about it.
The President hasn't done any law breaking. It would have been criminal for the President NOT to do that which he has done to protect the country. So forgive me if there is nothing to talk about in that regard since your very premise of law breaking is os patently incorrect.
I think the President has done many things wrong and is advocating things about which I don't agree or support. However, as regards his defense of this country and steadfast commitment to protect and defend the constitution, which means protect and defend the USA, and to protect and defend the people of this country from enemy attacks, he has not only acted courageously but with great leadership, understanding, and foresight.
Says the "Dog"
To get back to the subject at hand (don't feed the trolls, folks!), Glenn, I think you're being awfully optimistic in thinking "it is only a matter of time before the public starts to realize how severe the crisis is that we have in our country." Unless I misunderstand, civics isn't taught much anymore, and the media isn't doing a good enough job of distilling the problems with signing statements down to the kinds of sound bites most people get their news in (even a lot of people who claim to "read the news" only skim the headlines). Absent a detailed understanding of US civics, or guidance from the media, I think to a lot of people, this theory of Executive power simply sounds reasonable enough for them to go along with it.
ReplyDeleteFrom my perspective, this isn't a partisan issue, it merely means that the Executive branch is subverting the mechanisms that are supposed to make your country run. (The thoroughly Byzantine nature of US civics is enough to make one grateful to be a citizen elsewhere.)
yankee: Nothing to say about the fact President Bush apparently never felt he was bound by the rule of law like every other US citizen?
ReplyDeleteYankee, what's important to note is Dog's name. No doubt, he takes that quite literally. He and his alpha pooch-in-command believe literally that the big dog gets the bone.
This is what their doggy-dimensional world involves: the pack rules. If you can call it a way of thinking, it's similar perhaps to a Darwinian free-for-all. On the other hand, limited as they are by their doggy view, they don't see the dog-fight mentality that they exhibit.
If you've ever been unlucky enough to walk in on a dog-pack fight you might understand what an ugly thing it is. It was tragically brought home to me once when a bunch of dogs in a rich neighborhood were allowed to run loose. Being dogs, they reverted to their pack mentality and attacked and killed a child.
I'd like to suggest this as a metaphor for all of our Bushy Dogs--domestic pooches allowed to run free and reverting to their pack mentality, to the tragic loss of this country and many innocents abroad.
Cynci Librarian said:
ReplyDeleteIf I could make any sense out of what you say,
Proving my point, and providing me with a good laugh. Nothing so funny as a droll would be elitist who is smug in their own stupidity and shallowness of vision.
Says the "Dog"
Cynic Librarian,
ReplyDeleteWhy your depth of doggy world view analysis is ... er.... outstanding...ly irrelevant.
That you have time for such doggy dianetics is a testament to the depth and quality of your analytical abilities and political philosophy.
Says the "Dog"
The dog trots out another right-wing talking point--its not the sex--its the LYING (to a GRAND JURY!)--that gets the dog so hot about Clinton.
ReplyDeleteNever mind that it was people like the dog who spent millions of dollars going after Clinton from the moment he took office, trying to find something somewhere that they could use to go after him. Where the sex lives of every president in history have been their own private affair, Clinton's entire life was forced onto the front paged because he was hounded the whole time he was in office. When one accusation petered out, Starr would come up with another one. So much so that it even put Starr in a position to be questioning the POTUS about his sex life in front of a Grand Jury.
It was at that point that the vast majority of Americans put our collective foot down and Starr ended up the laughing stock while Clinton was allowed to finish his term, regardless of what a bunch of Republican congressmen had to say about it. Americans were more pissed at congress for wasting its time pursuing Clinton's sex life than they spent trying to run the country.
It was the dog and his little pack of yipping yappers that decided from the day Clinton took office that they would find a way to drive him out. "America held Hostage," they wailed. The fact that Clinton balanced the budget, kept us out of stupid wars of aggression, had the economy running at a full tilt, and had the whole world respecting our decisions, eats away at the dog, so he comes up with any explanation he can for why those facts can't possibly be the case. How could they be? He's a democrap. (Democraps. Jesus. Why not call them demopoopybutts--it would remind me of the same time of 2nd grade where a name like "democrap" would have been a profound insult.)
Rush Limbaugh tells the dog everything he wants to hear, and the dog brings the news here. Is there a better illustration for everything Glenn's been saying about these guys? Dog, you're a caricature of yourself. That tail of yours gets spotted out of the corner of your eye and you chase it in circles like a dervish, putting dust in tha air and yipping at the top of your lungs. You're a picture to behold.
Sensible Republicans and Democrats alike find your little clique deeply disturbing. You care more about the little world of right-wing extremism, and its superstar white male xian angry hypocrites--(how long does Rush have to stay away from the pills to keep from going up the river with the druggies he felt should all be sent up? probaly about as long as Bennett can go without losing a million bucks on the ponies)--than you do about the fact that your country has been taken over by wannabe Stalinists.
Talk about fifteen minutes of humiliation. The dog, for flinging his absolute wisdom at the world, has four comments there: two from himself ( I talk to the tree-e-e-s, but they don't listen to me)and two blasting his lunatic ravings.
ReplyDeleteYes, dog, we know. We know. You'll deal with this. Tomorrow shooter and bart will be given permission to take some time off from this blog and go post a bunch of laudatory "anon" posts on your blog to try to 32% fabricate 32% some 32% credibility 32% for 32% you 32% but 32% nobody 32%(and sinking)is 32% going 32% be 32% fooled.
Courtesy of Abe Lincoln.
PS. In your case there may be someone who can be fooled by someone all the time. That would be you, by you.
To the Dog:
ReplyDeleteUnimpressive and unpersuasive on both points, not to mention laughable when it comes to your idol-worship.
Back to serious discussions.
dog: That you have time for such doggy dianetics is a testament to the depth and quality of your analytical abilities and political philosophy.
ReplyDeleteAnd your equating getting a blowjob with usurping constitutional powers indicates yours. As much as the Right dwells on this issue leads me to think one thing: either, as beta males, they don't get much or they privately fantasize about it so much that they have turned it into a psyhcopathological idee fixe.
Maybe that's why the pooch-in-command's ass fucking feels so good to them.
nuf said said:
ReplyDeleteOne very good way is to get people to laugh at the laundry list of actions taken by the president. When people laugh they tend to be more relaxed and more capable of rational thought. Laughter helps relieve the anxiety that has been cultivated by this administration, the anxiety that can preclude rational discourse.
When you think of the critical events and writings that preceded the Revolution, do you remember any humorous jabs at King George III or do you remember speeches that stirred the passion for liberty?
I'm not sure that what we want is rational discourse, nuf said. It wasn't rational discourse that brought about the resistance to Joe McCarthy. It wasn't rational discourse that brought about the end to the war in Vietnam or the impeachment of Nixon. It was conviction and raw emotion and people speaking up passionately, and even yes, taking it to the streets.
9/11 was a national tragedy. It should have also been a wake-up call. Instead, what should have been a wake-up call to treasure and protect what made this country great has turned into a nightmare.
The dog forgets that Gore beat Bush soundly in the popular vote back in 2000. That makes 3 out of the last 4 presidential elections when the American people voted for the Democrat, and all that stands for, instead of the Republican, and all that stands for. We only got the POTUS we actually voted for 2 out of those 3 times we elected Dems, so we only got balanced budgets and surpluses 2 out of the last 4 presidential terms. Ever since Reagan you Republicans cant seem to do anything but break the bank when you get the keys to the treasury.
ReplyDeleteEver since Diebold took over and gave us no way to verify votes, republicans have done remarkably well. In 2002 saxby Chambliss was way behind in Georgia, right up to election day. The exit pols showed Chambliss lost soundly. Strangely, when the machines tallied the votes, Chambliss roared ahead. Of course all anybody could find was a hidden program in the works, put there by diebold people, called rob-georgia. Wonder what they robbed Georgia of.
So keep your fingers crossed. Your take on what should have happened in past elections, as opposed to what did happen, and how that reflects what Americans really think, is mighty dependent on your heroes at FOXNews being correct.
I'm guessing come election day you'll be yipping at the moon in disgust and outrage.
Word. That Colbert stint did my soul some good, man. Just like when I first found your razor-like insight into law. Something to grab onto, when feeling a bit like sinking into the sea of...well, whatever it is that Bush et al spew.
ReplyDeleteshargash:
ReplyDeleteThe war on terrorism is a figure of speech, like the war on drugs or the war on Christmas. We are at war only in the president's deluded mind and those that drink the same koolaid he does.
You are the delusional one. Ask the families of 9/11 whether or not we are at war. Ask our brave troops heroically fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq and preparing to take out the nuclear sites in Iran. If we were to rely on the likes of you, we'd be all wearing rags on our heads and bowing to Mecca.
Of course all anybody could find was a hidden program in the works, put there by diebold people, called rob-georgia. Wonder what they robbed Georgia of.
ReplyDeleteThis brings up a good lesson. Whenever you use a computer to commit a crime, you should always follow best practices and name my executables something clear to remind me what they're for. You know -- hack_into_citibank, steal_100m_from_acct, something easily remembered like that. (And incidentally, in Republicans' eyes they wouldn't be robbing Georgia of anything; they'd be helping the people of Georgia get in touch with their destiny and with the desire of the silent majority.)
Seriously, by repeating this sort of urban legend, supporters of transparent voting miss a better, broader argument: Regardless of whether there has or hasn't been electoral fraud, there easily could be in the systems we use today. Even the Republican rank-and-file has got to believe that transparency in voting is a good thing. Unfortunately making Rs take a stand for or against transparency gets lost in a much murkier issue of whether or not there's been fraud. It's much easier to build a consensus around the proposition that elections should be transparent.
Glenn,
ReplyDeleteIf a law,
passed by Congress,
unConstitutionally
limits the Power of the President,
I recognize the right
of that Office-holder,
to reject it.
However,
what this miscreant chooses to do,
is to choose to violate it in secret,
and thus propagate secret laws.
The sole official in a new Star Chamber.
The branches will differ,
and one branch _can_ go to far,
even Congress.
I hope everyone can tell the difference between the possibility of Congressional overreach, and the proper response thereto, and what has actually happened.
Ciao for now,
Joshua
Mr Rosenberg,
ReplyDeleteComparing the dot.com with the Tulip frenzies is unwarranted. In many actual ways, measurable ones, it far more closely resembles the railroad boom.
Five times as much track was laid as would be needed in the short term. In the same way, too much fiber optic wire was buried. Too many online pet stores were started.
Tulips are far diffferent, being entirely ornamental and, for all practial purposes, useless.
I wish there was a blog author that would simply delete comments like Mr. Rosenberg's, and thereby keep the discussion at a more elevated level.
Glenn: Nice surprise teaser in my regular Whiskey & Gunpowder newletter this morning ... an exerpt from How Would A Patriot Act? The writing seems to surpass even that here.
ReplyDeleteAnd I see Colbert will be on 60 Minutes tonight.
I’ve almost reached the point that I’m not going to bother with the comment section of this blog anymore - it is routinely off-topic and troll infested. That is a shame, because it used to be an interesting forum even when discussing other topics. Unfortunately, the more successful Glenn and this blog become, the less relevant the comment section.
ReplyDeleteI don’t have any answer to that problem, it’s just an observation.
Be that as it may, I did want to point out a interesting post by Anonymous Liberal.
It’s really about the economic policies of the modern Republican party and how divorced from reality they are, but he did have a quote that I also think pertains to the subject of Glenn’s post: "the temptation to reject the truth and try to manufacture your own reality is what got us into Iraq--it's what got us into these deficits. At some point, reality has its day."
But isn’t that also true of this administration’s reading of the Constitution? Aren’t they trying to manufacture their own version of the Constitution void of checks and balances and 3 separate but equal branches of government? Isn’t their manufactured reading of our laws simply another name for a “Democratic Dictatorship” which is subject to accountability only on a quadrennial basis?
Will reality have its day? The first step is recognizing that as long as Bush claims such absolute powers we are no longer living in a democracy? That’s the reality. Only when the majority of people recognize this (like they have the failure in Iraq) will anything actually be done about it.
The Boston Globe article may be just a baby step toward accepting reality, but it’s a start.
Dog --
ReplyDeleteWe lost because you cheated.
The world may "love a clown", but Stephen Colbert just ended up looking like a pathetic buffoon next to President Bush. Colbert's act was definitely goofy, but not very funny.
ReplyDeleteGo Dog!
Glenn "the president has expressly seized the power to break the law, and is exercising that power enthusiastically and aggressively, in numerous ways"
ReplyDeleteIt's been six years. America is still "talking about talking about it" as opposed to talking about a solution.
I don't believe anyone is serious when they say, "finally the media has woken up after all these years" -- this means pundits have had six years to come up with a solution.
Six years later, notice who's talking about solutions and who's waiting for the non-leaders to "get it." Rather than talk about a solution, they're "waiting for" everyone else to "get it." That's not leadership--that's "waiting for" those who aren't leaders to wake up.
Time to shift gears. Other than doing what doesn't work -- asking Congress to do something -- what's a real solution? I do not sense any seriousness with solutions, rather more glee over the national hypnosis. Some enjoy being entertained more than leading.
Has anyone else noticed the media's relative silence about Colbert's speech? Nearly all the reports from the evening are about that card Dubya and his hilarious impersonator. Looks like the blogosphere will have to get this news out, too.
ReplyDeleteAnon, 12:46 PM "He can act however he wishes as long as Congress refuses to act on removing him."
ReplyDeleteWhat is your solution to this dictatorship, other than talking about "what should not be"?
Fred Bieling: "it seems that there needs to be some kind of movement for a Constitutional Amendment limiting (if not outright abolishing) these signing statements."
ReplyDeleteWhat would compel the President -- who ignores the Constitution -- to honor and follow your Amendment?
From anonymous at 7:14PM:
ReplyDelete"You are the delusional one. Ask the families of 9/11 whether or not we are at war. Ask our brave troops heroically fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq and preparing to take out the nuclear sites in Iran. If we were to rely on the likes of you, we'd be all wearing rags on our heads and bowing to Mecca."
I happen to live in NYC and, but for a quirk in timing that morning, would have been in the Twin Towers when those planes hit. May I ask where *you* were that day?
From where I sit, the only 'war' that's being prosecuted at the moment is the Bush Administration seeking, with depressing success, to undermine the foundations of the Constitutional Republic we were all born into. The military actions in Afghanistan and Iraq constitute neither a war nor even seriously-run campaigns intent upon either securing US interests or dealing with outstanding security threats.
You're assertion we would all be 'wearing rags on our heads and bowing to Mecca' if we relied on shargash and others (who prefer to use their brains to fight the enemy rather than tilt at windmills) betrays your paranoia, your emotional and mental inadeqacies, and your hapless ignorance of the threats facing us as a country and society.
Anonymous 8:53 PM "Looks like the blogosphere will have to get this news out, too."
ReplyDeleteHow will "talking about it" to those who already agree -- and do nothing other than talk about it, and talk to Congress that refuses to act -- do anything?
Again, what's your specific plan to get the audience -- that the media refuses to address -- to lawfully mobilize and remind the President he needs to do his job; otherwise he won't be President.
Need something specific that can lawfully be done, not vague "the blogosphere should do something." What are you specifically asking for, looking for, or hoping for?
Glenn:
ReplyDeleteIt is not hyperbole to say that these actions and theories are as antithetical to democracy as can be. The country intensely debates all sorts of controversial issues (torture, Patriot Act renewal, eavesdropping powers); legislative compromises are reached by the American people through their Congress, often over the objections of the President; the President signs those bills into law -- and then he simply decrees that those laws are irrelevant because he has the power to violate them at will.
It is not only hyperbole, your point is incorrect. This dispute has nothing to do with democracy. Both the executive and the Congress are equally elected branches of government. Taking your argument to its logical conclusion, I could argue that the people twice elected this President to take all constitutional actions necessary to prosecute the foreign policy on which he campaigned.
This dispute is a constitutional powers and separation of powers issue.
You are once again accusing the President of systemic "law breaking." However, no President is bound to follow a statute which unconstitutionally limits or eliminates his Article II powers. Such a statute is null and void at the outset and cannot be "broken" by the President.
If you claim that Congress has the power to enact a particular statutory provision which CAN constitutionally limit the President's Article II power, then name the statutory provision, cite the provision of Article I which authorizes the provision and then show us how the President is actually violating the statutory provision.
Signing statements are precautionary documents which have no legal authority beyond arguing to a Court that the President has not waived any of his powers. I don't care how many of these pieces of paper Mr. Bush has signed. Show me an act which in fact violates a statutory provision.
Until you present an actual legal argument, this entire post is hyperbole.
Clinton was a sickening pervert who disgraced the Office of the Presidency by his personal actions in that very office.
ReplyDeleteTrue, but irrelevent to the issue of Bush's misbehavior.
However, no President is bound to follow a statute which unconstitutionally limits or eliminates his Article II powers.
ReplyDeleteConsidering the fight is over the nature of his article 2 powers, this is a moot point.
Globe: "Especially since the mid-1980s, presidents have sometimes declared that they can ignore a provision of a bill because they believe it is unconstitutional."
ReplyDeleteIs it not irrational for there to be no direct way of resolving such important "conflict of opinion" between the congress and the president, before someone has to sue that he has been hurt (by the law or its violation)? I cannot think of a good reason why there could not be a process of resolving this immediately by the supreme court.
dear anonymous bush-luster:
ReplyDeleteFUCK the president, and the first lady.
seriously, they can go to hell, as far as i'm concerned. until i get any measure of respect from them, i refuse to reciprocate, period.
p.s. how's it feel to be part of that majority (32%) that support the president? you right-wingers sure are bad at math -- couldn't figure out how many troops to send to iraq, can't figure out that 32% is far from a majority. keep it up, by november you'll be trying to figure out the "new math" in congress...
Troll infested? I thought dissent was good? Or is dissent permitted only if the dissenter dosn't disagree with your position.
ReplyDeleteanonymous said... "anonymous is right"
I see anonymous Gump and his brothers anonymous, anonymous and anonymous are joining Zack and nuf said for the Gump family reunion.
Screen names would be a nice touch guys.
http://www.intrepidliberaljournal.blogspot.com/
ReplyDeleteWill the Supreme Court prevent the Executive from going after your brain next?
Sunday, April 23, 2006
Brain Fingerprinting and Civil Liberties
Is the Colbert spot on tonite's 60 minutes up on the Internet anywhere?
I hope you guys realize Soaring Patriotic Eagel [sic] is a parody. I know some of you do. Anyone interested in finding a transcript of Don Imus' performance at the Radio and TV correspondents dinner in 1996, (usually held about a month before the WH correspondents dinner) and then digging up Lucianne's reaction to that, might have some fun.
ReplyDeleteScreen names would be a nice touch guys.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous is a screen name. 30 Helen's agree. How many Bobs do you know. Does Vincent Price or Jeff Goldblum know your stole their name? You aren't Vincent Price, are you?
Bzbzbzzbzzzzzzzzzz!
Thwap!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 8:53 PM "Looks like the blogosphere will have to get this news out, too."
How will "talking about it" to those who already agree -- and do nothing other than talk about it, and talk to Congress that refuses to act -- do anything?
Again, what's your specific plan to get the audience -- that the media refuses to address -- to lawfully mobilize and remind the President he needs to do his job; otherwise he won't be President.
Need something specific that can lawfully be done, not vague "the blogosphere should do something." What are you specifically asking for, looking for, or hoping for?
How will asking someone else what their plan is, bring about any change? What's your plan of action? Why do you waste time asking other people what theirs is, when you haven't ever said what yours is? If his post lacks something, so does yours. What do you think needs to be done. Need something specific, not vague "I wish you would tell me what your plan is before I can know anything from what you say," kinda stuff, but real specifics.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteClinton was a sickening pervert who disgraced the Office of the Presidency by his personal actions in that very office.
Dude,
You only wish you could have been a fly on the wall during the Nixon administration. No wait, you might have preferred the Kennedy adminstration, because you like to watch people having sex, rather than people who no longer have sex, like you, commit actual crimes. Who's the pervert?
"anonymous said... Anonymous said..."
ReplyDeleteWell anonymous, I still think anonymous was right about anonymous being right...
From Bart at 9:19PM:
ReplyDelete"name the statutory provision, cite the provision of Article I which authorizes the provision and then show us how the President is actually violating the statutory provision."
Article I, Line 14
"To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;"
The President admitted violation:
The NSA program that has been under discussion all these weeks has been admited by President Bush himself to fall under the aegis of FISA's statutory provisions. President Bush also confirmed the NSA program was undertaken *without* seeking any warrants, even retroactively as the statute itself provides for, from the FISA panel of Judges.
As the above mentioned line from Article I makes clear, Congress is duly empowered to set limits and regulations upon the activities of the armed forces. The NSA, being an agency of the US Army (unless I'm mistaken there, so I'll welcome correction) falls under those provisions and its intelligence gathering would be subject to FISA's review.
Your response?
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAnon, 12:46 PM "He can act however he wishes as long as Congress refuses to act on removing him."
What is your solution to this dictatorship, other than talking about "what should not be"?
8:54 PM
Watch out for the agent provocateurs. Some trolls want to elicit responses that can be used to discredit Glenn and his blog as part of the wild-eyed, angry leftoterraists. This is one of the most conservative blogs I visit. They are actually fun again.
Bart,
ReplyDeleteLong time listener, first time caller.
you said,
However, no President is bound to follow a statute which unconstitutionally limits or eliminates his Article II powers. Such a statute is null and void at the outset and cannot be "broken" by the President.
Do you see this just as a power of the President? I know by putting it in an "Article II" context it only applies to the President, but does your logic flow to the individual citizens? Are individual citizens bound to follow a statue which is unconstitutional in their own determination?
Is constitutionality strictly a decision of the courts or is it up to everyone to decide for themselves? Not just on a moral level, but on a practical level.
How are we to determine whether someone is acting only in self interest versus someone who truly believes their own position, except for their willingness to make their arguments in court?
For example, someone may sell drugs because they say they believe that any prohibition on such behavior is unconstitutional. Is it fair to judge someone's sincerity on that issue by looking at their willingness to engage the judiciary on that point?
Finally, if the Supreme Court declares the President's eavesdropping program unconstitutional, should the President defy the Supreme Court? What if he argues, sincerely or not, that the nation's safety is at stake?
Sorry for all of the questions, but I am curious.
Well anonymous, I still think anonymous was right about anonymous being right...
ReplyDelete10:35 PM
You betcha! We are legion. resistance is futile. You will be assimilated and anonymized.
What should the media do? Well, they should get off their duffs and do their job, which is to report news. That someone publicly excoriated Dubya to his face, is news. Instead, the Fourth Estate is reprinting WH press releases, such as the tripe you can see at http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1906094.
ReplyDeleteWhat should the blogosphere do? Why, they should do their job, too, which is to report what the media doesn't, much as Glenn has been doing here.
Sorry to be so opaque.
yankeependragon said...
ReplyDeleteFrom Bart at 9:19PM: "name the statutory provision, cite the provision of Article I which authorizes the provision and then show us how the President is actually violating the statutory provision."
The NSA program that has been under discussion all these weeks has been admited by President Bush himself to fall under the aegis of FISA's statutory provisions. President Bush also confirmed the NSA program was undertaken *without* seeking any warrants, even retroactively as the statute itself provides for, from the FISA panel of Judges.
I am not rehashing this again. You know my legal arguments and legal authority, including the FISA judges who testified before the Senate to support my position that FISA is unconstitutional to the extent that it attempts to limit or eliminate the President's well established Article II power to conduct warrantless intelligence gathering.
Glenn does not appear to be referring this this slam dunk win for the President.
Rather, Glenn appears to be all a twitter over the fact that the President has attached legally powerless signing statements to ten bills. My question was posed concerning any alleged acts of the President which Glenn claims violate these bills.
The NSA, being an agency of the US Army (unless I'm mistaken there, so I'll welcome correction) falls under those provisions and its intelligence gathering would be subject to FISA's review.
ReplyDeleteYour response?
Not sure, but that's the point. There is No Such Agency. The Naval Investigative Service, which you can watch on the Tee Bee is unusual in that it is a civillian law enforcement agency attached programatically to the Dept. of the Navy. From Wiki...
The origins of the National Security Agency can be traced to an organization originally established within the Department of Defense, under the command of the Joint Chiefs of Staff as the Armed Forces Security Agency (AFSA), on May 20, 1949. The AFSA was to be responsible for directing the communications and electronic intelligence activities of the military intelligence units - the Army Security Agency, Naval Security Group and the Air Force Security Service. However, the agency had little power and lacked a centralized coordination mechanism. The creation of NSA resulted from a December 10, 1951, memo sent by CIA Director Walter Bedell Smith to James B. Lay, Executive Secretary of the National Security Council. The memo observed that "control over, and coordination of, the collection and processing of Communications Intelligence had proved ineffective" and recommended a survey of communications intelligence activities. The proposal was approved on December 13, 1951, and the study authorized on December 28, 1951. The report was completed by June 13, 1952. Generally known as the "Brownell Committee Report," after committee chairman Herbert Brownell, it surveyed the history of U.S. communications intelligence activities and suggested the need for a much greater degree of coordination and direction at the national level. As the change in the security agency's name indicated, the role of the NSA was extended beyond the armed forces.
The creation of the NSA was authorized in a letter written by President Harry S. Truman in June of 1952. The agency was formally established through a revision of National Security Council Intelligence Directive (NSCID) 9 on October 24, 1952, and officially came into existence on November 4, 1952. President Truman's letter was itself classified and remained unknown to the public for more than a generation.
thelastnamechosen said...
ReplyDeleteBart, Long time listener, first time caller.
Pleasure to meet your acquaintance.
you said, "However, no President is bound to follow a statute which unconstitutionally limits or eliminates his Article II powers. Such a statute is null and void at the outset and cannot be "broken" by the President."
Do you see this just as a power of the President? I know by putting it in an "Article II" context it only applies to the President, but does your logic flow to the individual citizens? Are individual citizens bound to follow a statue which is unconstitutional in their own determination?
I am not arguing that the President has the final word on whether a statute is unconstitutional. That is Glenn's hyperbole. Rather, the President has to make a preliminary determination by necessity if a court has not ruled and the judiciary gets the final say if the matter gets to court.
An individual citizen can make that same determination, but he or she risks prosecution to bring the issue before a court for a final decision. If the citizen is correct in the opinion of the Court, he or she goes free. If not, then the prosecution goes forward.
The President generally only risks a reversal by a court or, at most, impeachment by the Congress because he or she cannot be criminally prosecuted while in office.
Finally, if the Supreme Court declares the President's eavesdropping program unconstitutional, should the President defy the Supreme Court? What if he argues, sincerely or not, that the nation's safety is at stake?
Legally, the President should bow before the opinion of the Supreme Court on whether his actions are constitutional. However, I believe Lincoln ignored the Supremes on his revocation of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War out of what he considered to be necessity. The only check was Congress, which supported his actions.
Perhaps the true test of Bart's dissent is if he would make the same convuluted defense of Clinton (either) if he/she were President and pulling the same shit.
ReplyDeleteKeep pushing, Bush. We're gonna push back at some point, and you're not going to like the results.
I've just watched Colbert again, and once again I'm awestruck. This was an amazing piece of comedy AND political theatre. Since I know you get a lot of readers, I'm going to pass on my thought: Let's deluge Colbert with gifts. Send them c/o Comedy Central, 1775 Broadway, New York, NY 10019. Send letters, cookies, Vermont Teddybears, flowers, whatever you like. Because last night Colbert may very well have finally lanced the the pus-filled balloon that is the Bush Administration
ReplyDeleteBart said... Legally, the President should bow before the opinion of the Supreme Court on whether his actions are constitutional. However, I believe Lincoln ignored the Supremes on his revocation of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War out of what he considered to be necessity. The only check was Congress, which supported his actions.
ReplyDeleteNice one. Perhaps some of the same arguments may have been heard on both sides of that issue as are heard on both sides of this issue today. The difference is that Bush is not Lincoln, in spite of Lincoln's deplorable record of failures up until his presidency. There, the comparison stops.
And the modern Republican party bears little resemblance to the party Lincoln belonged to. But I give you points for that sly comparison, and won't press you on which side you would have been on back then.
Ah yes, the Copperheads. It's all coming back to me now.
ReplyDeletei read 1 of the posts that said we've in an endless war so bush is the commander & chief of all of us in response 2 another post saying that since the poster was never in the military bush isn't his c-in-c. i'd like 2 invite u both 2 join a new kind of army that's 2 smart 2 fight & 2 smart 2 kill for corporations & their imperialist lackeys. america's a nice place 2 live but it's run by assholes. fight back peacefully!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteExcuse the repost if this has already been linked somewhere in the discussion (too long for me to read at this hour), but powerline has something to say about Colbert. It's probably the most superficial criticism you're going to find:
ReplyDeletehttp://powerlineblog.com/archives/013927.php
Bart,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your reply.
you said...
Rather, the President has to make a preliminary determination by necessity if a court has not ruled and the judiciary gets the final say if the matter gets to court.
I would like to go back to one of my original questions.
How are we to determine whether someone is acting only in self interest versus someone who truly wants a constitutional determination by the courts, except for their willingness to make their arguments in court?
Also, do you believe the President should, as in your above circumstance, ask the Supreme Court to quickly resolve any ambiguities. Maybe not in every circumstance, but this one in particular. Do you believe the President is confident they will get a positive ruling from the Supreme Court?
Legally, the President should bow before the opinion of the Supreme Court on whether his actions are constitutional. However, I believe Lincoln ignored the Supremes on his revocation of Habeas Corpus during the Civil War out of what he considered to be necessity. The only check was Congress, which supported his actions.
I am curious about your personal opinion on this. If you were President, what would you do? If you feel you do not have enough specific details to answer, I completely understand.
As an independent, I always feel the need to point out to either side, "What if it wasn't your party doing this, but the other party?"
ReplyDeleteI never get an answer from either side to that one. Because they realize that they are merely playing up the political attack approach to these issues, they can never agree when there is criminal activity going on.
Tyranny knows no party or ideology. Tyranny must be uncovered and ended no matter who is in power or whether he/she is a member of your party or not.
dr lim: But the actual "nuclear option" for Bush is to declare, under the Yoo doctrine, that national security precludes holding elections, or heeding their results. Maybe we ought to have a contingency plan.
ReplyDeleteGood question. Here's my nightmare scenario, paranoid and warped as it is: Bird flu hits the US in a way that humans trasnmit it easily to other humans. Bush declares martial law. Under this cover, he pushes forward more aggressively with his foreign policy, perhaps under the guise of securing US interests and material resources abroad. Under the aegis of a perpetual war on terror and the devastation visted by plague, Americans support his policies and turn the reins of govt. over to him in toto.
Like I said, paranoid and warped... Your own scenario presents the possibility without the threat posed by public emergency like the outbreak plague. That seems even more troubling than what I've described.
I have to laugh. I saw this post in the AM with 10 responses. I check in this evening and see 210 responses and "the dog" (or is it the "dog") has contributed this insightful post:
ReplyDeleteTick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick tock......
Your 15 minutes has now expired.
Fun while it lasted, and better than most.
Congrats,
Says the "Dog"
Then, I see "the" dog has contributed at least 14 additional posts to an "irrelevant" blog.
Somebody get me the pooper scooper please!
'The fly' shat:
ReplyDeleteTroll infested? I thought dissent was good? Or is dissent permitted only if the dissenter dosn't disagree with your position.
'Trolls' are those like your beloved 'dog', who provide nothing but long-defunct talking points, obfuscation, and lies. That's not 'dissent'; it's just bullshit.
ReplyDeleteLike I said, paranoid and warped... Your own scenario presents the possibility without the threat posed by public emergency like the outbreak plague. That seems even more troubling than what I've described.
This is certainly something nobody desires. However the irresponsible seditious behavior of people like those posting to this blog might well force a scenario of this kind against everybody's wishes. So please act responsibly.
anon @ 12:41am: However the irresponsible seditious behavior of people like those posting to this blog might well force a scenario of this kind against everybody's wishes.
ReplyDeleteI haven't noticed any seditious "behavior" or statements on this blog. Do you have some examples?
According to eyewitness accounts, yesterday's antiwar demonstration in NYC drew nearly 350,000 people. The news items I have seen, however, put the number in the tens of thousands, if they mention it at all.
ReplyDeleteGreenguy wny quoted:
ReplyDelete“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
This describes the tactics of the left wing moonbats. They constantly claim we are under attack not by foreign enemies but by imagined enemies from within. They setup false paranoid delusions regarding the country being under attack by those citizens of this country who do not share their warped political thinking. Then they attempt to deride and assassinate the character of any who disagree with their constant drum beat of the country, our freedoms, the constitution is under attack from within. They carry moonbat signs that say Bush is more of a terrorist then Bin Laden.
Its some sick kind of psychological defense mechanism, imho. The left finds it much too scarry and fearsome and upsetting to recognize the real enemies from without over whom they have no control or influence. So after they finishing going pee in their pants or panties, the moonbats find it is so much better to transfer these would be rational fears of the known outside enemies to some imagined internal enemies over whom they might have more influence, and whom don't want to eat their children and melt their flesh like the real outside enemies for whom they can't stomach any rational contemplation.
I see lots of practioner's of Goering right here in these comments. With their paranoid fantasies about nuclear options and monarchial dictators, ignoring elections, refusing to transfer power, CIA helicopters using ray guns to make people vote for persons other than whom they intended to vote, cats and dogs living together, etc etc.
Its really hysterical when they project the Goering stuff onto the rational around them.
Says the "Dog"
I think I've finally figured out why Dems continue to roll over on all the BS coming from this administration. Power envy. Everything Bush has done so far paves the way in precedent for successor regimes to continue unchecked, until there's nothing left of our Constitution.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 907P.M. said
ReplyDeleteAgain, what's your specific plan to get the audience -- that the media refuses to address -- to lawfully mobilize and remind the President he needs to do his job; otherwise he won't be President.
Need something specific that can lawfully be done, not vague "the blogosphere should do something." What are you specifically asking for, looking for, or hoping fof?
You will get to see as it unfolds.
Halliburton wins 5-year contract to construct "detention camps":
ReplyDeleteThe contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.
The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE personnel performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts.
Also see: newspeak dictionary forum
Shat 'the dog':
ReplyDeleteGood evening young man, my name is Charles Norwood. Furthermore to this troll-post, I would like three of your finest, cheapest cigars. Here's my desperate attempt to twist a Goering quote, that confirms my adultivity.
'YHO' isn't worth the shit it grows from, 'dog'. The President violates the Constitution and other laws, and you speak of Bush's detractors 'imagining' enemies within. You speak of ad hominem attacks, ignoring the articles of law posted here constantly with each new revelation of crimes committed, which clearly and definitively damn Bush as a lawbreaker. You pick one sign from one protest, and then apply it to all Bush detractors, ignoring not only those who don't share that belief, but also the suffering of those innocents overseas who have suffered even worse fates than 'mere' terror due to Bush's policies.
You speak of Bush's detractors 'peeing in their pants', while you yourself cast about and publically soil yourself, hysterical with fear, so easily railroaded by corrupt men into traitorous thoughts that you put your beloved leader before your own country and everything it's good for. And then... well, you make up some dumb shit about helicopters.
You bring nothing, troll (in fact, I really shouldn't stoop to replying to you -- more fool me). You see adults around you with an awareness of the pitfalls of power and the lessons of history, and you think, "Hey, I can talk like them too! Um, um, Bush's attitude isn't like Goerings, YOURS is! You're a Democrappypoopoo!". Well, it adds nothing, here. Your recycled rhetoric was thoroughly and clearly debunked before you even arrived here.
Go take it to a vegetable farm; they actually have a use for shit-merchants.
anon @ 12:41 am: However the irresponsible seditious behavior of people like those posting to this blog might well force a scenario of this kind against everybody's wishes.
ReplyDeleteWe can always tell who the terrorists are, thanks to manuals put out by Texas and Virginia. According to the Texas manual on spotting terrorist, look for people who
[Are] Focused and committed
Team-oriented and disciplined
Familiar with their physical environments
Employ a variety of vehicles and communicate by cell phone, email, or text messaging
Try not to draw attention to themselves
Look like students, tourists, or businesspersons
Travel in a mixed group of men, women, and children
Avoid confrontations with law enforcement
Use disguises or undergo cosmetic surgery
What I don't really understand is why all those supporting Bush and the corporate raiding of America don't seem to realize that he is setting precedent.
ReplyDeleteBush has said he thinks the next president inherits Iraq -- and probably Iran at this pace -- so I'm amazed they aren't terrified by the implications. If there is an eternal 'state of war' against terrorism, then all rules -- in the Presidency According to Bush -- are forever suspended. Isn't a Democrat with this much power their idea of the Apocalypse?
"the Dog" said...
ReplyDelete"Are you aware that Clinton's economic performance was phony and full of hot air"
That we can agree on although it wasn't just due to the dot com bubble.
"Are you aware the country was already 3 to 4 months into recession starting PRIOR to Bush taking office."
True also.
Are you aware that 9/11 cost a MILLION jobs. Are you aware that all those jobs have now been restored plus about 5 million more on top of that.
Not true. Here are the Bureau of Labor statistics:
Total Nonfarm ALL Employees (in thousands),
SEASONALLY ADJUSTED
YEAR JAN
2001 132471
2002 130608
2003 130268
2004 130420
2005 132471
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"What I don't really understand is why all those supporting Bush and the corporate raiding of America don't seem to realize that he is setting precedent.
Bush has said he thinks the next president inherits Iraq -- and probably Iran at this pace -- so I'm amazed they aren't terrified by the implications. If there is an eternal 'state of war' against terrorism, then all rules -- in the Presidency According to Bush -- are forever suspended. Isn't a Democrat with this much power their idea of the Apocalypse?"
I asked Shooter 242 that very question and got no reply. Makes ya wonder doesn't it? Personally I don't want a Republican, or a Democrat, or any other President to have that much power.
the cynic librarian,
ReplyDeleteThe terrorist manuals are awesome. My favorites:
- Property rights activists
- Those who attempt to police the police
I always knew those capitalist judges were trouble.
I haven't read all of the comments here, but has anyone else noticed that for at least the last two years, the Bush administration has also been ignoring any Supreme Court decisions it disagrees with. Ignoring both congress and the courts -- a double play!
ReplyDeleteGreenguy wny:
ReplyDeleteI didn't make an attack on you or any other specific person in that post to which you refer.
I may soon be a former republican myself, if they don't get their act together on a whole lot of things other than the GWOT.
I don't like what Bush has been saying on immigration. He doesn't get it in my opinion. Tancredo is the man with the plan on that. I don't like the incompetent leadership in the GOP controlled senate that has failed to confirm a slew of conservative appellate court nominees. I don't like their spending like drunken sailors or Bush's lack of veto's on spending.
I may have to vote libertarian for the first time in my life, even if that means democrats win. Conservatives believe in consequences and we aren't about to become the taken for granted and abused "blacks" of the republican party.
Gris Lobo:
I'm sure I misspoke saying 5 million plus new jobs created since 2001 (net), but the media keeps reporting a positive increase (net) in jobs for over a year. Something is wrong with your numbers because 2001 and 2005 can't be "exactly" the same. Also, non-farm payrolls may not take into the self-employed, where a lot of job growth has been in recent years.
Says the "Dog"
Cynic Librarian:
ReplyDeleteBill Clinton gave a 1 Billion dollar no bid contract to Halliburton for Kosovo I believe. For Somethings, there are just a handful of companies in the world that are qualified to handle them, and sometimes just one of those companies is from the USA, and its name in some cases is HALLIBURTON.
There is nothing wrong with Halliburton except for the permanently displaced souls who much prefer the failed policies of a 19th century imbicile named Marx.
Says the "Dog"
Fly,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the shout out, and back to ya!!
Says the "Dog"
And that is, simply, in the most part (including all the attendant consequences), why some of us left the country.
ReplyDeleteI do not believe we shall see the America I grew up with again in my lifetime. (I'm 52.)
That was a compelling argument "the Dog" made in response to the Goering quote, but I feel it would have been stronger had he butressed it with the use of the term "moonbats" 3 or 4 more times.
ReplyDeleteSpecifics?
ReplyDeleteImpossible and unproductive to argue about at this point. We're in a situation where the question is for or against, so just being against is enough of a position for the moment.
Drip, drip, drip. The faucet has started to leak. Just a little puddle to begin with but it looks like the die has been cast and the water is going to start rising faster and faster. If the aggregate of all upcoming events continues to go badly for this Presidency, it could turn into a tidal wave. If not, it'll be less dramatic. It's probably out of any one person or group's control at this point.
The game plan is to identify, expose, reveal, reject, turn away from, turn back, do anything except either maintaining the status quo or going forward in the same direction.
The "specific plan" is just to get more and more people aware that the water has risen to an unacceptable level and hope they get alarmed enough that they finally decide to reach out and get a mop.
Any mop. It's better than drowning.
The dog said:
ReplyDeleteGris Lobo:
I'm sure I misspoke saying 5 million plus new jobs created since 2001 (net), but the media keeps reporting a positive increase (net) in jobs for over a year. Something is wrong with your numbers because 2001 and 2005 can't be "exactly" the same. Also, non-farm payrolls may not take into the self-employed, where a lot of job growth has been in recent years.
I took the numbers directly from the Bureau of Labor website.