I will not have time to blog extensively until later today, so here are a few
(1) The publisher of How Would a Patriot Act?, Working Assets Publishing, has completed the website for the book, which features information about the book, including some recommendations, along with an excerpt from the book -- a .pdf of the full Preface (click "Preface" at the top).
The Preface was actually the most difficult part of the book for me to write, because I had to write about my own experiences rather than write about facts, analysis and arguments (which I vastly prefer to write about). I really didn't even want to write the Preface, but both the Publisher (Jennifer Nix) and the book's editor (Safir Ahmed) all but forced me to write it, insisting that it was necessary to provide some explanatory framework for how and why I was moved, seemingly out of the blue, to write this book. As was true for most of the things (though not all) that we disagreed about, they were right (which was extremely annoying). Most of the people who have read the book thus far have been very enthusiastic about the Preface.
The book tour for the book is going to be June 3-June 29, at least, and there are currently six cities confirmed - New York, Boston, Washington, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Las Vegas. There may be more added, and I will post definitive dates once everything is confirmed.
(2) The right-wing Cato Institute has published an extremely well-documented and scathing condemnation of the Bush administration's multiple abuses of power. Later today, I will post about the entire report (.pdf), which is truly excellent; the Executive Summary says this:
Unfortunately, far from defending the Constitution, President Bush has repeatedly sought to strip out the limits the document places on federal power.
In its official legal briefs and public actions, the Bush administration has advanced a view of federal power that is astonishingly broad, a view that includes:
* a federal government empowered to regulate core political speech—and restrict it greatly when it counts the most: in the days before a federal election;
*a president who cannot be restrained, through validly enacted statutes, from pursuing any tactic he believes to be effective in the war on terror;
* a president who has the inherent constitutional authority to designate American citizens suspected of terrorist activity as "enemy combatants," strip them of any constitutional protection, and lock them up without charges for the duration of the war on terror— in other words, perhaps forever; and,
* a federal government with the power to supervise virtually every aspect of American life, from kindergarten, to marriage, to the grave. President Bush's constitutional vision is, in short, sharply at odds with the text, history, and structure of our Constitution, which authorizes a government of limited powers.
In every single respect, this administration has been devoted to one principle and one principle only -- an expansion of its own power. That is its driving philosophy and its ultimate goal, and it is hardly surprising that a true conservative organization like the Cato Institute ("true conservative" in the sense that they are devoted to limited federal government power, rather than the worship of authoritarian power as Bush followers are) would find this administration anathema to every important political value and principal which this country has.
Notwithstanding the fact that the Bush administration has violated every tenet of this strain of conservatism for the last five years, conservatives will not be permitted to distance themselves from this administration -- as they are transparently and pitifully trying to do now that Bush's presidency is failed and is dying a rapid death (see e.g., this characteristically dishonest attempt by Jonah Goldberg to characterize the two failed Republican Presidents - Nixon and Bush - as "liberals" in order to imply that their failure is not a failure of conservatives; funny how we never heard any of that when The Commander had approval ratings in the 60s). With rare and noble exception, conservatives did not repudiate Bush until very recently. To the contrary, they have vigorously supported and claimed him (while he was popular), and he is their creation. They are and should be stuck with him.
(3) This is one of the dumbest and yet most illustrative paragraphs I've read in awhile, courtesy of the incomparably obsolete relic, Richard Cohen, in his column in today's The Washington Post:
But in this country, anyone can insult the president of the United States. Colbert just did it, and he will not suffer any consequence at all. He knew that going in. He also knew that Bush would have to sit there and pretend to laugh at Colbert's lame and insulting jokes. Bush himself plays off his reputation as a dunce and his penchant for mangling English. Self-mockery can be funny. Mockery that is insulting is not. The sort of stuff that would get you punched in a bar can be said on a dais with impunity. This is why Colbert was more than rude. He was a bully.
I haven't had time to read other blogs today, but I am sure there is ample commentary on this. So I will make just this point: The national media of which Cohen is an integral and zombified part has spent the last five years so petrified of George Bush that they have been unwilling even to investigate, let alone criticize, the claims he and his administration have made. That is why 70% of Americans were permitted to believe -- even six months after we invaded Iraq -- that Saddam personally participated in the planning of 9/11 -- because the media cowered in the corner like meek and passive mice while the administration spewed exaggerated and false rhetoric to justify the war.
But to them, there is something terribly rude and improper about looking in the President's eye and criticizing him. That is so very disrespectful. What country does Stephen Colbert think this is? We don't criticize the President like that. And the idea that Colbert was "a bully" -- because he criticized the most powerful man on earth, who has made the need to be shielded from criticism a virtual religion -- reflects such a mind-bogglingly demented view of the world that it is difficult even to analyze.
What an odd set of values a large portion of this country has adopted. Sending one's fellow citizens to fight in a distant war is somehow the hallmark of strength and courage. But standing up a few feet away from the President of the United States, and delivering very substantive and stinging criticism while knowing that nobody in the room would support you, is an act of uncouth rudeness, even cowardice. The national media is, with few exception, beyond salvation.
UPDATE: Richard Cohen's claim -- echoed by many others -- that there was nothing courageous about Stephen Colbert's criticisms of the President should be contrasted with the still-staggering admission of Elisabeth Bumiller of The New York Times that she, along with her media colleagues, were afraid -- afraid -- to ask the President questions about the justifications for our invasion of Iraq:
I think we were very deferential because … it's live, it's very intense, it's frightening to stand up there. Think about it, you're standing up on prime-time live TV asking the president of the United States a question when the country's about to go to war. There was a very serious, somber tone that evening, and no one wanted to get into an argument with the president at this very serious time.
The "war climate" which the administration worked very hard to maintain meant that most national journalists were petrified of aggressively challenging the Commander-in-Chief during this "time of war" because of fears that they would be pelted with all sorts of accusations from the President's followers (as well as because many of them were marching in lockstep with the President's worldview). Deep down, they know they failed miserably in their journalistic function. Despite that -- really, because of that -- they hate Stephen Colbert for doing what they were supposed to do but were so blatantly unwilling and afraid to do, and so they have to smear his act of courage by tossing up their noses and characterizing it as some very offensive breach of etiquette, even depicting his criticism of the President as being cowardly.
Contrasting Colbert's criticisms voiced directly to the President, with Bumiller's fear-driven posture of being "very deferential" to the President because it's so very "frightening" to question the Leader, is there really any doubt as to which approach is more consistent with what the Founders intended when they guaranteed a free press in order to ensure an adversarial watchdog over the Government?
Glenn, FYI, the link you have to your book's webpage is not working. You may need to correct it.
ReplyDeleteThe Fool and The King
ReplyDelete...Speaking of imperial pretensions and "speaking truth to power," here's one more take on Colbert's "Bush on a schtick" schtick:
One of the insanely annoying phrases lefties overuse is "Speaking truth to power." Well, kids, you know what? Standing three feet from the most powerful man in the world and poking fun at his public foibles, telling your audience that they are cowards by doing nothing more than pointing out the truth of their actions -- THAT'S speaking truth to power.
FYI, the link you have to your book's webpage is not working. You may need to correct it.
ReplyDeleteAre you sure? I checked it again and it went to that page.
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ReplyDeleteSorry if this sounds nit picky but it's "devoted to one principle" not principal. I point this out since I'm sure the right sites will attempt to shoot a well-received messenger instead of dealing with the truth, which you so eloquently point out day after day. (I'd be willing to proof anything if you ever need another set of eyes to look it over.)
ReplyDeletedtarrell: (I'd be willing to proof anything if you ever need another set of eyes to look it over.)
ReplyDeleteBTW Blogger has an add-on that lets you first write your posting in MSWord and then click a button and post it directly to your blog.
In this way, you can use Word's built-in spelling and grammar checker before posting. I say this because typos are the bane of my own life...
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ReplyDeleteShorter Richard Cohen: "quiet! You'll make him angry!!!"
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Small typo: "war" not "was"
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ReplyDeleteFrom cynic librarian: "In this way, you can use Word's built-in spelling and grammar checker before posting."
ReplyDeleteExcellent point. The one caution I would add is to be careful about the spell-check, because principal and principle were both spelled correctly, so it might get a pass as "correct." Don't know if the grammar checker would catch that, though (I turned mine off as it was really bugging me to write fiction, poems, or screenplay attempts and have the green squiggly lines show up all the time. "Why, yes, program, I do know that's an incomplete sentence! It's dialogue!")
Shutting up now. Back to the important stuff!
Rob
My version of Mozilla did not like the link. I added the www. after Http:// and then it worked just fine.
ReplyDeleteGlenn:
ReplyDeleteA small nitpick. Isn't there a better phrase than "true conservatives"? Everyone thinks their own beliefs are "true" and then you end up having to explain what you meant anyway. Using "true" also has the rhetorical effect of presupposing that you agree with all their other ideas. Maybe "traditional conservatives" or "small government consevatives." A better descriptor of the beliefs you are refering to and respectful enough that people with those beliefs may decide to join you in creating common ground. Just a thought.
Sorry if this sounds nit picky but it's "devoted to one principle" not principal.
ReplyDeleteThat's not nit picky - it's a horrible mistake. I wrote this post really quickly because I'm under very tight time constraints today. So I appreciate the various corrections, which I've made. That's really one of my favorite things about the blogosphere - no error ever goes undetected and mistakes therefore have a very short life-span.
A small nitpick. Isn't there a better phrase than "true conservatives"?
ReplyDeleteIn my view, political conservatism is devoted to principles of small government. But I know Paul Rosenberg is going to be here any mintue to make that point that in his view, true conservatism really is about authoritarian expansion of power.
So I defined what I meant by "true conservatism" to avoid confusion. To me, it's the difference between (a) Islamic religious beliefs and (b) terrorism and violence undertaken in the name of Islamic religious belief - the latter is a bastardization of the former. That's how I see unconstitutional expansions of federal power and assaults on constitutional limits which are undertaken in the name of conservatism.
Link to web page does not work in Sarafi, but does in Firefox for me.
ReplyDelete"The national media is, with few exception, beyond salvation."
ReplyDeleteA country mourns.
Colbert didn't pick up a fiddle and join in the merriment. He was gauche enough to point out that Rome was burning.
ReplyDeleteOf course the MSM didn't rush to talk about this. They have been studiously avoiding the subjects Colbert raised for years. Why would they start now?
I'm sure it was uncomfortable. They are used to getting a prize and a gold star just for participating.
Barnes & Noble: I was in the local store on Tues. to harass the order counter about your book & CTG. They have a publication date of 5/28 and did not have any books on order for the store. They said that was the Publisher's fault that none were on order. So we wrangled about for a bit and they "short ordered" some for the store only after I agreed to order 3 for myself. The lady behind me, after hearing the discussion said, "put me in for 2 please". For CTG, they showed 3 in stock, but there were none to be found in store so we put that on a Short List as well. Just takes a little one on one work.
ReplyDelete"What an odd set of values a large portion of this country has adopted. Sending one's fellow citizens to fight in a distant war is somehow the hallmark of strength and courage. But standing up a few feet away from the President of the United States, and delivering very substantive and stinging criticism while knowing that nobody in the room would support you, is an act of uncouth rudeness, even cowardice."
ReplyDeleteThis passage is dead on. Keep up the excellent commentary!
Colbert deserves a long lasting standing ovation.
The national media is, with few exception, beyond salvation.
ReplyDeleteThe blogosphere is the only hope of keeping the free flow of information alive. That is why the profit driven greed-heads are after it; after all, if people know what is really going on, we might reject the conventional wisdom of the elites, which keep them rolling in dough.
A radical take on Colbert's transgressive act:
ReplyDeleteIn April, in his segment, "the word," the word was Nazis. Colbert began with the idea that Bush is the president least like Hitler because Hitler had 99% popular support and Bush only has an approval rating of 32%. Thus, Colbert tells his audience to go ahead and keep disapproving of the president as he wages preemptive war and spies on American citizens--this disapproval proves that he isn't Hitler and that we aren't Nazis. So, we can disapprove and complain and march in well-organized protests (we all stopped for red lights!)--and this proves that we aren't Nazis.
Glenn says:
ReplyDeleteThat is why 70% of Americans were permitted to believe -- even six months after we invaded Iraq -- that Saddam personally participated in the planning of 9/11 -- because the media cowered in the corner like meek and passive mice while the administration spewed exaggerated and false rhetoric to justify the war.
This is wrong. The American public had already been biased against Saddam for quite some time. This link demonstrates that 78% of respondents thought Saddam did it two days after 9/11. (Bottom of last table)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/vault/stories/data082303.htm
By the way, does anyone remember Clinton declaring war against Saddam?
“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors”
- President William Jefferson Clinton 12/16/98
The administration spewing rhetoric about Saddam wasn't just Bush's.
The American public had already been biased against Saddam for quite some time. This link demonstrates that 78% of respondents thought Saddam did it two days after 9/11.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what you mean by "biased against Saddam" - I know of nobody, from Noam Chomsky to Jaques Chirac -- who denied the undeniable: that he was one of the most oppressive and sadistic tyrants on the planet.
There is a big difference between speculating that Saddam did it 2 days after 9/11, when nobody knew for sure who did it, and thinking that 2 years later, when it was beyond dispute that he didn't. The fact that 70% of Americans believed that Saddam planned 9/11 even as late as September, 2003 is one of the most embarassing facts in this country's history - and nothing more potently demonstrates how resoundingly the media has failed to fulfill its central function.
"The administration spewing rhetoric about Saddam wasn't just Bush's."
ReplyDeleteNo one has claimed it was. Clinton is certainly to be condemned--and not just for his actions against Iraq, but certainly also for those actions.
But Clinton is out of office and did not do as much damage to it when he held it as Bush has done and continues to do; with two and a half more years to go, Bush can wreak terrible damage even yet, to compound that which he was wrought.
The Presidency is such an "old boy's club" that, whoever next gains the White House--even if it is a Democrat--we will not be likely to see any criminal investigations of Bush or Cheney or Rumsfeld or the rest of their cohort.
Absent a radical--and I mean radical--reformer in the White House, I fear that not only is the MSM a lost cause, but our country is.
Hmmm. On my computer the URL doesn't wrap, just truncates. Let's see if I can do a link...
ReplyDeleteWaPo poll
Isn't there a better phrase than "true conservatives.
ReplyDeleteNo. "true conservatives" as opposed to neo-conservatives or deficit-loving conservatives or war-mongering, spend-our-children's-money to make the world safe for Exxon conservatives.
Open Source ran a show on Presidential signing statements. Listen to it here.
ReplyDeleteParticipants included:
Charlie Savage
Reporter, Washington bureau, Boston Globe
Bruce Fein
Principal, The Lichfield Group
Laurence Tribe
Professor of constitutional law, Harvard Law School
Noel Francisco
Laywer, Jones Day
I see shooter242 is still shooting their mouth off...and themselves in the foot.
ReplyDeleteDo I really need to point out the difference between "Operation Desert Fox" and "Operation Iraqi Freedom"? You want to call an air campaign of selective targeting and limited duration 'declaring war' and completely equivalent to a mass land invasion that was effectively doomed from the start, go ahead.
But don't be surprised if you're laughed at.
Juan Cole:
ReplyDeleteSEvery time you see a newspaper article that alleges that [Iranian president] Ahmadinejad said that Israel should be wiped off the face of the map, please write the editor. Say that this idiom does not exist in Persian, and that what Ahmadinejad actually said was, "This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." And you can cite me. [my emphasis]
If enough people do this often enough, the press will get tired of the propaganda line they are carrying, which is intended to whip up a manufactured war, and drop it. And that would be the most fitting response to Hitchens and his Neocon puppeteers.
Cato/Libertarians to be regarded with suspicion. They said close to the same things about Clinton.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't characterize Cato as conservative, of the "true" or any other variety. From their web site:
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How to Label Cato
Today, those who subscribe to the principles of the American Revolution--individual liberty, limited government, the free market, and the rule of law--call themselves by a variety of terms, including conservative, libertarian, classical liberal, and liberal. We see problems with all of those terms. "Conservative" smacks of an unwillingness to change, of a desire to preserve the status quo. Only in America do people seem to refer to free-market capitalism--the most progressive, dynamic, and ever-changing system the world has ever known--as conservative. Additionally, many contemporary American conservatives favor state intervention in some areas, most notably in trade and into our private lives.
"Classical liberal" is a bit closer to the mark, but the word "classical" connotes a backward-looking philosophy.
Finally, "liberal" may well be the perfect word in most of the world--the liberals in societies from China to Iran to South Africa to Argentina are supporters of human rights and free markets--but its meaning has clearly been corrupted by contemporary American liberals.
The Jeffersonian philosophy that animates Cato's work has increasingly come to be called "libertarianism" or "market liberalism." It combines an appreciation for entrepreneurship, the market process, and lower taxes with strict respect for civil liberties and skepticism about the benefits of both the welfare state and foreign military adventurism.
The market-liberal vision brings the wisdom of the American Founders to bear on the problems of today. As did the Founders, it looks to the future with optimism and excitement, eager to discover what great things women and men will do in the coming century. Market liberals appreciate the complexity of a great society, they recognize that socialism and government planning are just too clumsy for the modern world. It is--or used to be--the conventional wisdom that a more complex society needs more government, but the truth is just the opposite. The simpler the society, the less damage government planning does. Planning is cumbersome in an agricultural society, costly in an industrial economy, and impossible in the information age. Today collectivism and planning are outmoded and backward, a drag on social progress.
Market liberals have a cosmopolitan, inclusive vision for society. We reject the bashing of gays, Japan, rich people, and immigrants that contemporary liberals and conservatives seem to think addresses society's problems. We applaud the liberation of blacks and women from the statist restrictions that for so long kept them out of the economic mainstream. Our greatest challenge today is to extend the promise of political freedom and economic opportunity to those who are still denied it, in our own country and around the world.
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By far, most people call Cato "libertarian." In any event, their anaylsis of how Bush has shredded the Constitution is awesome, and I hope everyone follows the link Glenn provided.
(see e.g., this characteristically dishonest attempt by Jonah Goldberg to characterize the two failed Republican Presidents - Nixon and Bush - as "liberals" in order to imply that their failure is not a failure of conservatives; funny how we never heard any of that when The Commander had approval ratings in the 60s).
ReplyDelete---Did you bother to check on that at all, or are you so set on this stereotype that you just assume that, e.g., Jonah Goldberg just recently came around to this position? Goldberg has criticized Bush's brand of "compassionate conservatism" as liberalism -- and made comparisons to Nixon -- for years now. See here, here and here for examples found in just a cursory search.
This is far from new. People on "the Right" have been saying that "big-government conservative = liberal" for a long time. That's certainly an over-simplification, but from the point of view of "limited government" types, it's effectively the same.
So, how is exactly is it "characteristically dishonest" when he's been making the point that Bush is not that kind of conservative for years? Disagree with his point all you like, but when you dip to questioning his character because you disagree with his conclusions, that's just intellectually lazy.
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When Glenn writes things like:
ReplyDelete--transparently and pitifully
-- characteristically dishonest attempt
--one of the dumbest and yet most illustrative paragraphs
--- courtesy of the incomparably obsolete relic, Richard Cohen,
-- reflects such a mind-bogglingly demented view of the world that it is difficult even to analyze.....
he makes me really happy and I am in a good mood for the rest of the day :)
Tra la la.
I am reminded of Harry Truman's quote about not giving people hell but rather telling telling people the truth and they just think it's hell.
As much as I object to the truly vicious type of comments certain fanatics hurl at those who threaten their delusional world views, I equally love it when someone tells the truth and does it in colorful plain talk. It comes out amusing because so few people are willing to accurately identify things as they really are and prefer to trip all over themselves as they sacrifice accuracy to false notions of comity solely because they have no guts.
About passive and meek mice:
Mice (intelligent, lovable creatures) are neither passive nor meek by nature.
They become both when they are trapped and threatened with danger.
The danger to a Richard Cohen is posed by the kind of despotic control freaks who threaten the butter on the bread of anyone who disagrees with them.
It is the Richard Cohen types who, out of fear, become meek and passive and then strike out at "free mice" and call them bullies.
PS. Welcome back Cynic Librarian. Even though you were MIA for less than 24 hours, I was about to send out a search posse.
Lee writes: I take issue with the labeling of Cato as 'right-wing'. They endorse legalizing drugs and death with dignity among other liberal ideas.
ReplyDeleteCato is not "right-wing." I flinched when I read that in Glenn's post. However, it would be a shame if a labeling argument overtook discussion of the terrific Cato paper to which Glenn linked.
lee: Yes Clinton did stretch the power of the executive and the power of the federal government. That has been a common occurence of every modern president.
ReplyDeleteI tried disputing this issue with Bart. His de facto non-response leads me to believe he's incapable of mentally holding two ideas in his brain at the same time. Be that as it may, I repost my disagreement with the sentiment you express.
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I don't know that anyone on this forum has implied the negative of "Dems spy..." They haven't, however, suggested that Dems ever spied on us in a comprehensive, illegal and unconstitutional way.
I can imagine that Dems like Clinton broke the laws on spying on US citizens in the past. But supposing they did so, they did not spy on us with total disregard and lack of regard for what the courts might say. If they did it, they did so in fear and trembling and backed off quickly, understanding that such an activity--if carried out as a normative practice--would indeed threaten something that the courts would not sanction and which the American people would never accept, were they to understand the true nature of this spying.
The attitude of this admin. to the constitutional protections and separation of powers is without shame. It appears not to believe that carrying out such spying activities is an aberration and potentially dangerous. Instead, they seem to think that it's normal and standard operating procedure.
I've never accepted the notion that to fight terrorism you need to adopt practices and behavior that somehow includes lawlessness. For 50 years, the US engaged in a "war" with a world power that had intelligence gathering resources and potential to harm the US in a way that al-Qaeda or any other terrorist group never posed, now poses, or will pose in the future.
During that 50 years there were no doubt times when the President over-reached his authority. But Congress and the courts always responded in an appropriately constitutional way. Even with the massive threat posed by the USSR, however, I do not believe that the President ever took such a reckless and blasé attitude toward the constitution and civil rights of US citizens that this administration is now perceived to exhibit.
For some, Clinton modernized the intelligence services. All fine and good. The question is whether he did this in an overreaction to a threat that does not exist. Many who try to equate Clinton's actions and Bush's do not show how these modernizations flouted the law, as I believe that the Bush admin. has done.
More specifically, given the threat posed by the former USSR and the resources they could call upon to carry out their devious designs, past Presidents felt no need to attack the constitution in the way that this admin. has.
Before suggesting my own understanding of why the Bush admin. has done this, I'd like to know why you think the threat posed by "terrorists" is as great as or greater than that posed by the USSR. I would also like you to show me why previous admins believed they could surveille the USSR threat and stay within the bounds of the law, while this admin. believes that it cannot do so with regard to the terrorist threat.
PS EWO: I have to earn alms some time.
In regards to Jon Henke, I think the point is that Jonah Goldberg is little more than a Republican cheerleader/shill.
ReplyDeleteNo matter any criticism he may have of Bush, you always know he's got a permanent seat on the Hindenberg.
It's disgraceful that newspapers-particularly the LA Times- print his folderal along with Max Boots.
Did you bother to check on that at all, or are you so set on this stereotype that you just assume that, e.g., Jonah Goldberg just recently came around to this position? Goldberg has criticized Bush's brand of "compassionate conservatism" as liberalism -- and made comparisons to Nixon -- for years now. See here, here and here for examples found in just a cursory search.
ReplyDeleteI've read National Review for years on a regular basis and, as a result, have read most of the columns Jonah has written, in addition to the Corner items he writes. I have posted multiple times about intellectually dishonest tactics that he uses, and my characterization of him is based on those accumulated observations. Are you actually saying that there are no pundits, bloggers, etc. anywhere whom you consider dishonest in their analysis and approach, or is that it's not intellectually lazy when you think that?
I just read in detail the three articles you linked to. I never said that Goldberg didn't question Bush's form of conservatism before. What is new is accusing Bush of being a "liberal". The assumption of the three articles that you linked to is that Bush IS a conservative, just not the type Goldberg likes (because it's too "compassionate," too moderate, not opposed enough to restraints on spending, etc.).
That argument still allows conservatives to claim Bush as one of them. And they did so for years. What is new is the claim that Bush is a "liberal" - which is what Goldberg just said in his recent column -- all to cast off this failed President as one of theirs (and to pin him on liberalism). That's dishonest.
If you think there is something in any of the articles that you linked to, or anywhere else, where Goldberg claimed that Bush is a "liberal" before his approval ratings irreversibly plummeted, point it out and I'll be happy to retract my statement. But there is nothing in any of Goldberg's articles to which I just subjected myself that does so.
To me, it's the difference between (a) Islamic religious beliefs and (b) terrorism and violence undertaken in the name of Islamic religious belief - the latter is a bastardization of the former.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with the analogy. I don't know why you accept at face value the notion that Islam is peaceful and tolerant and that the fascists are bastardizing the religion. It certainly is a debatable point. There are many scholars who point out that Islam was forged in war and is inextricably intertwined with imperialism, and the choice of death or forcible conversion for the infidel.
Unlike Moses, who died before entering Israel, and Jesus, who died well-before Christianity took off, Mohammad founded the religion in war and successfully conquered himself an empire. The core teachings of Islam reflect this state of war and conquering, and are far more violent than anything in Judaism or Christianity. Moreover, the leading Islamic scholars of today do nothing to distance themselves from these notions. They still live the tenets of the Koran and Hadith.
At best, this point is debatable. But your blind acceptance and parotting of PC trash is disappointing.
Cato is not "right-wing." I flinched when I read that in Glenn's post.
ReplyDeleteLabel arguments are completely useselss without specifics (and even then, they are often useless).
Cato believes in strict principles of federalism and states's rights; advocates for strong Second Amendment protections against almost all forms of gun control; and is firmly opposed to virtually all federal spending programs.
The idea that they're not right-wing because they favor drug legalization is absurd. Bill Buckley favors lots of drug legaliziation and nobody would question the label "right-wing" for him.
Cato believes in hard-core limits on federal government power, the Second Amendment, and states' rights. To me, those are all hallmark political beliefs of the Right. What views do they specifically have that are inconsistent with that label?
Cynic: THAT'S speaking truth to power.
ReplyDeleteI'll say. I still haven't recovered from Steven Colbert's "comedy routine."
Never thought I would see something like that happen considering how things have been going.
Almost equally gratifying was watching "The Silence of the Lambs."
Although I against all scientific research using animals (immoral, umspeakably cruel, and totally lacking in any merit---I hope nobody here ever swallows that pack of lies--it's strictly about grants for the home boys, pals, not about medical advances) it was interesting to see these particular "lambs" (jackals?) put under a microscope to reveal every last detail of their paralyzing cowardice.
It's pretty scary to watch people who are such sell-outs that they are even afraid to laugh.
At best, this point is debatable. But your blind acceptance and parotting of PC trash is disappointing.
ReplyDeleteRight - my understanding of the true crux of Islam is different than yours. Therefore, I must be "parotting PC trash" rather than having formed my opinion
based upon my own examination.
Anyone who thinks that Islam in its genuine form doesn't justify the wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians for political ends is someone who is "parroting PC trash." The only way you can be an independent thinker is to run around saying that Islam is an inherently violent and war-like religion which we need to eradicate.
Lee: I also am a libertarian. Just FYI, there are a few people here, and one of them is an anon, who have bugs up their @sses about libertarians, and they promiscuously bait us with silly (mis)characterizations of libertarianism in every other thread. I have adopted a policy of ignoring them.
ReplyDeleteGlenn said:
ReplyDeleteThe fact that 70% of Americans believed that Saddam planned 9/11 even as late as September, 2003 is one of the most embarassing facts in this country's history - and nothing more potently demonstrates how resoundingly the media has failed to fulfill its central function.
Eric Bolhert’s new book Lapdogs puts together the media’s failures in this regard in a fascinating and imminently readable fashion (on Bush’s press conference soon before the war):
And for any viewers who held out hope that members of the assembled mainstream media (hereafter, "MSM") would firmly, yet respectfully, press Bush for answers to tough questions about the pending invasion, they could have turned their TVs off at 8:05 p.m.
The press corps's barely-there performance that night, as reporters quietly melted into the scenery, coming at such a crucial moment in time remains an industry-wide embarrassment. Laying out the reasons for war, Bush that night mentioned al-Qaida and the terrorist attacks of September 11 thirteen times in less than an hour, yet not a single journalist challenged the presumed connection Bush was making between al-Qaida and Iraq, despite the fact that intelligence sources had publicly questioned any such association.
And it doesn’t help that Fox News is the most trusted news source among Americans.
This is most unfortunate. A 2003 Program on International Policy (PIPA) study found that Americans were severely misinformed about basic facts related to the war in Iraq.
An in-depth analysis of a series of polls conducted June through September found 48% incorrectly believed that evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda have been found, 22% that weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, and 25% that world public opinion favored the US going to war with Iraq. Overall 60% had at least one of these three misperceptions.
The media’s failure is exactly what Colbert hit home that night, and why they didn’t think it was funny – his portrayal of them as mere stenographers was just too close to home.
Glenn Greenwald said... That's really one of my favorite things about the blogosphere - no error ever goes undetected and mistakes therefore have a very short life-span.
ReplyDeletePrecisely why, in the view of some, it must be controlled and/or squelched. We cannot have a self-correcting instantaneous flow of information among the population. How could we continue to pull the wool over the eyes of the sheeple?
Well you listed one drug legalization.
ReplyDeleteIn addition:
Most of your items are devoted to showing that Cato is not socially conservative. I would agree with that. I don't think that precludes them from being right-wing because I don't think that one has to be a social conservative in order to be conservative. They are distinct and, I'd even argue, largely inconsistent.
Similarly, the fact that someone opposes intrusions of the government into the personal sphere hardly means they are not on "the Right." Again, I'd suggest that political conservativsm - and again, these label debates all depend on agreements of definitions-- is inconsistent with the desire to have the federal government intrude into those areas. Barry Goldwater would have agreed with most of the positions you are attributing to Cato, and who contests that he is "on the Right"?
immigration (open borders)
That's George Bush's view - and the Wall St. Journal Editorial Board's - are they on the Right?
opposed to McCain-Fiengold
So does George Bush, Mitch McConnell, and I'd say most on the Right.
I think the difference is largely semantic. I believe that libertarinism of the type espoused by Cato is far closer to the Right than the Left. I think libertarianism is the logical outcome of the premises of small-government conservatives.
Are you actually saying that there are no pundits, bloggers, etc. anywhere whom you consider dishonest in their analysis and approach, or is that it's not intellectually lazy when you think that?
ReplyDelete---I'm saying that accusing Goldberg of coming recently to this realization -- and only when Bush has ratings in the dumps -- is lazy.
If your response is that Goldberg didn't specifically write "Bush = Nixon = liberal" in those columns, well huzzah and all that. But one doesn't have to stretch one's intellect to realize that "what troubles me is that we are replacing a dogma that says "government is the problem" with a new dogma, which says that government is the answer" is an implicit warning of Bush's liberalism. The column was replete with criticism of "compassionate conservatism", which Goldberg essentially called liberal governmental means to conservative cultural goals. Other columns made the point that politicians can be putatively "conservative", while still being very liberal. (see: Nixon)
There's no doubt that Bush is very much a social conservative, but the long list of criticisms Goldberg made were clear criticisms of the "liberal governmental means" that Bush has employed. (and embraced from the very start) As another commenter pointed out, there's no single "conservative" trademark. Goldberg -- and others -- have long pointed out that Bush has many very liberal tendencies.
If your point is merely that Goldberg is a Republican and defends Bush, therefore he is dishonest and a "shill"....I think you've just created yourself a tautological argument. i.e., Goldberg is dishonest because he's a Republican, which is a dishonest position.
Glenn Greenwald said...
ReplyDeleteA small nitpick. Isn't there a better phrase than "true conservatives"?
In my view, political conservatism is devoted to principles of small government. But I know Paul Rosenberg is going to be here any mintue to make that point that in his view, true conservatism really is about authoritarian expansion of power.
Perhaps a better way of describing it is preserving the status quo, or putting the brakes on change and/or "progress". But I can see Paul's point. I am all for less intrusive government, in the affairs of the individual. I want government to intrude on the rights of the "super-citizens" as I call them, the corporate entities. For a country this size and complex, a limited government is a pipe dream long over.
A conservative is one who stands astride History, yelling “Stop!”.
WFBuckley, Jr.
Cato - Flirting with fascism when it suits them.
ReplyDeleteThe Cato Institute: "Libertarian"In A Corporate Way
...Announcing Murdoch's arrival on its board, Cato praised him as "a strong advocate of the free market" and quoted his stirring words: "I start from a simple principle. In every area of economic activity in which competition is attainable, it is much to be preferred to monopoly." Meanwhile, in Murdoch's native Australia, his News Corp. dominates the mass media; in Britain he controls more than a third of daily newspaper circulation along with much of cable and satellite television.
While they're fond of lauding the "free market," Murdoch and other U.S. broadcasters are heavily reliant on government aid. Holding frequency licenses worth fortunes, they're now receiving free slices of a digital spectrum valued at up to $70 billion. Likewise, cable TV conglomerates -- with Malone's TCI in the lead -- continue to expand under the protection of federal regulations that place severe limits on the power of municipalities to charge franchise fees for use of public rights-of-way. The contradiction doesn't seem to bother the Cato Institute at all.
Among the luminaries at Cato is Jose Pinera, co-chair of its Project on Social Security Privatization. Cato's latest annual report says that Pinera, a former minister of labor and welfare in Chile, "oversaw the privatization of Chile's pension system in the early 1980s" -- but does not mention that at the time the Chilean government was under the dictatorship of Gen. Augusto Pinochet. Evidently, Cato's concern about intrusive government does not extend to torture and murder.
In terms of commitment to human rights, Cato has found a kindred spirit in Rupert Murdoch, who is fond of floating lofty rhetoric about his Star TV satellite network. "Satellite broadcasting makes it possible for information-hungry residents of many closed societies to bypass state-controlled television," said Murdoch, who touts new media technology as a "threat to totalitarian regimes everywhere." But Murdoch quickly kowtowed to China's totalitarian regime when Beijing objected to Star TV transmissions of BBC News reports about Chinese human rights abuses. In 1994, Murdoch's network dropped the BBC from its broadcasts to Asia. "The BBC was driving them nuts," Murdoch said. "It's not worth it."
Glenn, how many “right-wing” sources do you know of that support same-sex marriage and oppose any federal attempts to preclude it?
ReplyDeleteDavid Boaz of the Cato Institute once wrote a powerful piece in the New York Times chiding family-values conservatives for criticizing gays while most social problems--abortion, divorce, latchkey kids, out-of-wedlock births--result from misbehaving heterosexuals. He noted that articles on homosexuality in conservative publications far outnumber those on, say divorce. "Scapegoating gay men and lesbians may get conservatives some votes, but it is not going to solve any of American families' real problems," he says.
Cato rejects the Federal Marriage Amendment.
They publish pieces arguing in favor same sex marriage.
Buckley’s opposition to some drug prohibition isn’t principled. As with most conservative beliefs, it is ad hoc and driven as much by pragmatic concerns as anything else. Cato, by contrast, operates from principles that are highly predictive of specific positions they actually take. And those principles are not right-wing.
I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.
ReplyDeleteDwight D. Eisenhower
Looks like the people may want the Constitution so much, they'll insist the government let them have it.
BTW, italics & bold don't work.
Glenn is going to be a very, very boy into the indefinite future. BTW, what is he doing for secret service protection?
Anyone who thinks that Islam in its genuine form doesn't justify the wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians for political ends is someone who is "parroting PC trash."
ReplyDeleteThe wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians was how Islam was formed. Islam never went through a reformation process. We're still seeing it done today. There is no Islamic clerical mainstream speaking out against it.
Jews lived in the Moslem world with far less persecution than they did in Christendom, up until the point where Israel was established
At times, yes. But there was still plenty of persecution. And even during the "golden years," it was as "dhimmis," which was fully revocable at the whim of the Imams. This remains unchanged today.
I'm not saying Muslims should be "eradicated," as Glenn stupidly imputes to me. What I DO wish for, however, is for Islam to go through a reformation process. Islam is both part of the problem and the solution. But to believe that "genuine" Islamic beliefs are peaceful and tolerant is highly selective, and focuses on the smaller and, in today's practice of Islam, neglected aspects of the religion. Ultimately, it's a cop out. It does not help Muslims. And it does not help the West.
Glenn, why don't you explain your findings from your "own examination" of Islam to Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Expound on the fine points of Sharia. I'm sure you'll clear things up for her.
Glenn calls Richard Cohen "obsolete." My question is: Was he ever relevant? Seriously. I had never heard of him until a few years ago.
ReplyDeleteGlenn Greenwald said...
ReplyDeleteLabel arguments are completely useselss without specifics (and even then, they are often useless).
Precisely. And it's laughable to see comments like this...
"Hypatia" said...
Lee: I also am a libertarian. Just FYI, there are a few people here, and one of them is an anon, who have bugs up their @sses about libertarians, and they promiscuously bait us with silly (mis)characterizations of libertarianism in every other thread. I have adopted a policy of ignoring them.
... considering it was the anarchist communist Joseph Déjacque who first coined the term libertarian in 1857, and given David Freidman's observation that there may be two libertarians somewhere who agree on something, but he isn't one of them, the term itself is largely meaningless.
Damn few people in this country, (or anywhere else) know their left from their right any more and it's not entirely their own faults. The old one-dimensional categories of 'right' and 'left', established for the seating arrangement of the French National Assembly of 1789, are overly simplistic for today's complex political landscape. Pick a name you like to go along with your own personal political beliefs. That's just as meaningful.
Mr. Rosenberg: it is surpassingly silly to disparage Cato because one one of their fellows engineered a privatization scheme in Pinochet's Chile; the man was a citizen of that nation. That is as sensible as tarring anyone laboring in the U.S. federal govt today with the sins of George Bush.
ReplyDeleteThe actual positions taken by and promoted by Cato are incompatible with Pinoichet-style dictatorship, or any other sort. Or do you think Glenn Greenwald is gullibly endorsing their analysis of the myriad constitutional sins of George Bush, because Glenn stupidly thinks they mean it?
All this talk about whether Cato is conservative is telling. Cato is conservative because they beleive in a strictly limited government and that is a traditional conservative value. The fact that people are confused by this notion is just an indicator of the degree to which the current Republican party has been co-opted by people who DO NOT represent Conservative values.
ReplyDeleteewo: It's pretty scary to watch people who are such sell-outs that they are even afraid to laugh.
ReplyDeleteI've been thinking about this lately. In the past, I have written about the press' silence on the real story (as I see it and read it in alternative sources) in Iraq as simply another instance of what Chomsky and other leftists call the manufacturing of consent. I think the motivation behind this silence can even be as base as simple sucking up to the powers that be.
But as many will know, these arguments, as true as I think they are, usually get lost in their conspiratorial overtones or the simple disposition among the public to always distrust the politcal-sounding criticisms of the press.
Colbert's comments certainly struck a note of verisimilitude with those in his audience. That's why they didn't laugh. They have no sense of irony, sold as they are on the epistemologically bankrupt notion of objectivity that passes for "reality" among many in the press.
I think a more common-sense argument for the MSM's reticence can be made. It starts with the simple fact of shock and anxiety created by 911. Seemingly coming from a place way out in left field, the attack shook many in the press as being too close to home. Like many of us in the public, they reacted with horror and desapir. How to account for an attack on us who are always innocent?
In such a situation, again like many of us, those in the press wanted to defend the country from further attacks. When our government mounted military expeditions to kill or capture the perpetrators, we stood behind it because of our fear.
As I have written before, the presumption of knowing what to do and who to get has to be, in the public's mind, with the executive. We have to assume that it will act on knowledge that only it is privy to and which it is not prudent for the rest of us to know.
As guardians of the truth, members of the MSM felt that it had to repeat and disseminate what the executive put out as truth. The public has, after all, a right to know. The typically critical mode that the press often exhibits was suspended in the interests of supporting an effort that would stop further attack.
The press, no doubt, felt (and still feels) a sense of repsonsibility here to protect lives--the lives of us at home and the lives of soldiers in the field. This sense of responsibility means that the press will not disseminate information that they cannot verify by themselves.
I think this is an easily understood sense of responsibility. In war where the fog is thick, the press--reeling from the memories of spectres and ghosts of terrorists--believes that it is doing the public a service by sticking as close to the admin's story as it can.
Like many on the Left who were converted to following an imperialistic and hegemonic logic after the 911 attacks, those in the press went even further. Insulating themselves in their world of fact and objectivity, they started to feel that they acted responsibly by channeling the admin's stories and spin. Anything else would be irresponsible from this new perspective--this "post-911 world." Any other approach would provide aid and comfort to the enemy, whoever and wherever that enemy might be.
Since the media feel that they are acting more responsibly than wild-eyed (and perhaps non-objective, ideologically motivated) critics of the admin, they are therefore less than amused when people like Colbert rip away the cozy and comfortable rationalizations the MSM tells itself.
Hypatia still suffers from the residual "kool-aid". It may take years to flush out her head, if ever.
ReplyDeleteMr. Hanky, sir. I love your work on South Park.
ReplyDeleteGlenn: "But standing up a few feet away from the President of the United States, and delivering very substantive and stinging criticism while knowing that nobody in the room would support you, is an act of uncouth rudeness, even cowardice."
ReplyDeleteOn Colbert, it's not correct to say "nobody supported him in the room". Apparently the ambient mikes were cutting out the laughter, giggles, and lively support of Colbert’s well placed comments.
The reason the President was reacting – staff saying, “Colbert crossed the line” -- was that the public finally was laughing at him in public. The staff is in trouble because Bush couldn’t hide in a bubble and was exposed to reality.
What the President didn't realize that the audience reaction wasn't picked up. The world knows the President has a thin skin, especially when it comes to the rule of law and accountability. Let's hope Fitzgerald and others continue to gather more evidence.
Chip Berlet at Public Eye has done a pretty good job charting the various sectors of the U.S. right.
ReplyDeleteFor a goof, go look at David Horrorshits attempt with the left. It's better than nitrous oxide.
Seems the Senate has fallen through its own greed and corruption and Caesar now rules the Empire. All in the name of protecting the Empire and its citizens of course.
ReplyDeleteNow I wonder who will own the fiddle?
the thankyoustevencolbert.org site has curreently drawn 44954 comments (and includes a link to a Glenn post)
ReplyDeleteI think Mr Cohen is full of..... himself.
Desert Son...
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Lee said...
ReplyDeleteSo Pinera was in the administration of Pinochet. Is the Sec of Treasury Tony Snow culpable for Abu Ghraib, the NSA Wiretappings, etc?
Tony Snow has been moved from press secretary to treasury secretary? That was fast.
From hidden imam's favorite "Angry Muslim Apologist," Juan Cole, Islam and peace:
ReplyDelete[Chapter 25 of the Quran, "The Criterion" (al-Furqan)] v 68. They do not call on any deity other than the one God. They do not kill a person, the taking of whose blood God has forbidden, except for just cause. They do not commit adultery. Those who commit these acts must pay. Their torment on the Judgment Day will be doubled, and they will be consigned to eternal abasement--
69. Unless they repent, have faith, and do righteous works. For such as these, God changes their evil deeds into good works. God is forgiving and compassionate.
Brian McCaffrey said... and the founders of the Nation were avowed Capitalists
ReplyDeleteWhere do you get that from? Jeebus! The brainwashing that goes on in this country.
Have you even read Thomas Paine's Agrarian Justice, 1797 or familiarized yourself with the actual thoughts of Jefferson, Franklin, and Adams to name a few? They are distinctly proto- Georgist, like William F. Buckley, Jr.
Personal property is the effect of Society; and it is as impossible for an individual to acquire personal property without the aid of society, as it is for him to make land originally. Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist, the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation therefore of personal property, beyond what a man's own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes, on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came. This is putting the matter on a general principle, and perhaps it is best to do so; for if we examine the case minutely, it will be found, that the accumulation of personal property is, in many instances, the effect of paying too little for the labour that produced it; the consequence of which is, that the working hand perishes in old age, and the employer abounds in affluence. It is perhaps impossible to proportion exactly the price of labour to the profits it produces; and it will also be said, as an apology for injustice, that were a workman to receive an increase of wages daily, he would not save it against old age nor be much the better for it in the interim. Make then Society the treasurer to guard it for him in a common fund, for it is no reason that because he might not make a good use of it for himself that another shall take it.
Thomas Paine, "Agrarian Justice" 1797
Just now on CNN: Democrat talking head, Paul Begala: [I paraphrase] "Some people want to impeach the President." (with appropriate hand gestures) "People way out there on the left."
ReplyDeletepaul: I would never mistake Cato for my friends.
ReplyDeleteAnd as Michael Corleone once said, "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer."
the cynic librarian said...
ReplyDeleteJust now on CNN: Democrat talking head, Paul Begala: [I paraphrase] "Some people want to impeach the President." (with appropriate hand gestures) "People way out there on the left."
5:30 PM
He's going through his Tweety "everbody loves the preznit" phase. Except for a few whackos on the left. That was right before the approval polls hit the floor. Fun to watch, ain't it? And Begala is supposed to be on the left... right? Left? I'm all confused!
When it comes to measuring Colbert's courage on Saturday, Jon Stewart already coined the perfect adjective (which also expresses his respect and admiration) for what Colbert did:
ReplyDeleteballsalicious.
Absofuckinglutely.
the cynic librarian said...
ReplyDeletepaul: I would never mistake Cato for my friends.
And as Michael Corleone once said, "Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer."
5:33 PM
That's only so you can kill them easier.
I also am a libertarian.
ReplyDeleteJust another excuse to DODGE RESPONSIBILITY
I am a libertarian because I believe I should be able to do what I want when I want to how I want to and everyone else can go to hell!!
Yes, I guess we are all born that way, but eventually we grow up and realize we are not the center of the universe.
Personally, I wish when you were a baby, someone would have given you a good taste of "libertarianism" and let you starve to death.
But that is just my opinion, feel free to disagree...
Mr. rosenberg says: Pinochet wasn't elected, he took over in a bloody coup, engineered in part by that flaming liberal duo, Nixon and Kissinger. And Pinero, according to Cato itself: "oversaw the privatization of Chile's pension system in the early 1980s."
ReplyDeleteSo what? Breathtlessly repeating that "OHMYGOD, PINERO PRIVATIZED A PENSION SYSTEM FOR PINOCHET," is just stupid. There isn't anything wrong with privatizing a pension system. Pinochet's or anyone else's.
Damn.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI also am a libertarian.
Just another excuse to DODGE RESPONSIBILITY
That's not fair to all the "libertarians" out there who are a little (even alot)to the left of the economic libertarians and anarcho-capitalists. As I said up thread, the guy who coined the term in 1857 was a French anarchist communist. There are anarcho-syndicalists, and even geolibertarians who are proponents of Georgist economics. The term "libertarian" is meaningless. You need to be specific. It's like saying, "I also am a humanitarian" because you gave away your old shoes to a homeless shelter.
Chile's Retirees Find Shortfall in Private Plan
ReplyDelete....Under the Chilean program - which President Bush has cited as a model for his plans to overhaul Social Security - the promise was that such investments, by helping to spur economic growth and generating higher returns, would deliver monthly pension benefits larger than what the traditional system could offer.
But now that the first generation of workers to depend on the new system is beginning to retire, Chileans are finding that it is falling far short of what was originally advertised under the authoritarian government of Gen. Augusto Pinochet.
For all the program's success in economic terms, the government continues to direct billions of dollars to a safety net for those whose contributions were not large enough to ensure even a minimum pension approaching $140 a month. Many others - because they earned much of their income in the underground economy, are self-employed, or work only seasonally - remain outside the system altogether. Combined, those groups constitute roughly half the Chilean labor force. Only half of workers are captured by the system.
Even many middle-class workers who contributed regularly are finding that their private accounts - burdened with hidden fees that may have soaked up as much as a third of their original investment - are failing to deliver as much in benefits as they would have received if they had stayed in the old system....
economic libertarians and anarcho-capitalists.
ReplyDeleteGive me a break, THERE IS NO SUCH THING!
The faux "economic liberarians" that want the public sector to pick up their research and development costs and the transportation infrastructure.
The "DON'T TAX ME!" crowd that wants to keep every penny while sticking someone else with the costs good -- both direct and indirect. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ECONOMIC LIBERTARIAN.
When they feel they have an advantage, they scream "NO FAIR TO LET ANYONE ELSE HAVE A PIECE". When they don't have an advantage, they scream, "NO FAIR, LEAVE ME ALONE!" Total childishness.
The greatest example (lie) is all these technology companies that are riding the wave of government expenditures and investments.
Yeah right, you are responsible for those things you want and scream "NO FAIR" to everyone else and their legitimage needs.
You, sir, are a moron.
Paul says....And, as an anonymous poster reminds us, Tom Paine was a damn commie pinko radical.
ReplyDeleteHey now!
As Robert Nozick has made clear, Henry George, (or Paine) was no socialist. Just smart.
:)
You, sir, are a moron.
ReplyDelete5:56 PM
Look, my friend, you don't know what you are talking about. I do agree with you that the kind of libertarian you are talking about is a freeloader, pure and simple. But until you have read Henry George, at least, please refrain from acting like you know everything, or anything.
Let me make it clear, because you don't seem to know, the kind of libertarian you are railing against ARE the economic liberatarians and anarchocapitalists. Read a book. Calm down. Read another book. Breathe
ReplyDeleteI am saying that Henry George just writes more psuedo-intellectual crap that puts the almighty self above the society that makes the liberties of the individual possible.
ReplyDeleteTake over a desert island and live without any social exchange if you want to give me that condenscending crap about your rights as a "libertarian" -- its just more childish psychobabble.
If ya want to be a hermit, be my guest. If you want the benefits of society, then there are responsibilities and whining that "it isn't fair" is just stupidity no matter how much hot air you want to sprew.
Nuf Said said...
ReplyDeleteImam said something like this...
I don't know why you accept at face value the notion that Christianity is peaceful and tolerant and that the fascists are bastardizing the religion. It certainly is a debatable point. There are many scholars who point out that Christianity was forged in war and is inextricably intertwined with imperialism, and the choice of death or forcible conversion for the non-believer.
How does it read Imam? Sounds pretty good to me.
6:01 PM
Where does Imam think "Kill 'em all! Let God sort 'em out" comes from?
Kill them all, God will recognize his own.
"Kill them all, God will recognize his own."
(Arnald Amalric, Papal Legate / 1150-1225/ during the Albigensian Crusade)
"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
(Robert Cardinal Bellarmine / 1542-1621 / at the trial of Galileo in 1615)
"I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God."
(George Bush Sr. / interview with reporter Rob Sherman / Chicago on August 27, 1987)
"And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard."
(God / Micah 5:15)
"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start a new religion."
(Lafayette Ron Hubbard)
"A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, however selling the meat to the next door village should be fine."
(Ayatollah Khomeini / 1902-1989 / Tahrirolvasyleh)
"Medicine makes people ill, mathematics make them sad and theology makes them sinful."
(Martin Luther / 1483-1546)
"The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell."
(Saint Augustin / 354-430 / De genesi ad litteram / [Here, mathematician = astrologer])
"Whatever the natural cause, sin is the true cause of all earthquakes."
(John Wesley, English evangelist / 1703-1791)
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI am saying that Henry George just writes more psuedo-intellectual crap that puts the almighty self above the society that makes the liberties of the individual possible.
Hey! It's the "advertise faux liberally" guy!
Wassup dood? Still trying to adjust your meds?
Silly Richard Cohen. The President is not a King, and therefore deserves the respect he earns, not something handed him by divine right. He is hired as an employee, by the People, who are truly where the rightful power resides.
ReplyDeleteBush has not earned the right to be treated respectfully by his peers, i.e. his fellow Americans. Through his actions, has continually insulted his bosses, and lied to us. He deserves about as much respect as Colbert showed him.
And if it hurt his feelings, tough. He still got to go home to the house I'm paying for him to live in.
Great posts today Glenn, Hypatia, Paul Rosenberg, and many, many others.
ReplyDeleteRecently I had discussions with two new people I met both of whom are Muslims.
I am a big fan of first hand information, so I decided to do a little one-to-one research of my own to get a little more educated about Islam.
I asked the first guy (who I have known for about a year so I already know he is a very fine human being and a connsumate truth teller) to explain to me what he was taught about the Muslim religion as a child in school. I figured it was more important to find out about what he was taught than what he now believes, because the latter would be strictly personal but the former reflects on the Muslim country in which he grew up.
As organized religions go (I am no fan), it was surprisingly moderate stuff incoporating what you might term basic Judeo-Christian concepts. The main thing, he said, is you are taught that if you kill any man, except in clear self-defense, you kill all men and betray your religion.
So what about all this chopping off of hands stuff, I asked him. He said those were to be interpreted as parables from long ago times when there weren't any court systems to administer justice so little children had to be scared into not stealing or killing and things like that. It's not literal he said, just parables.
Aren't you mad that so many people in America now think of Muslims as barbaric, I then asked him.
Oh, he laughed, no, not at all. They actually don't. Americans have been absolutely fantastic to me and my family since we got here. They are the nicest people in the world. That other stuff is just politics and that's how politicians operate. Nobody takes them seriously.
The next guy is a Muslim from Bangladesh where he tells me about 90% of the people are Muslims.
How about all this barbarism stuff, I asked him.
He laughed too. Don't be silly, he said. We're even more democratic there than you are. We have a woman something or other (like a President, I think) and she's terrific. Very progressive.
Then he too said, Don't believe everything you hear. That's all just politics. Everyone knows that.
This person is not that crazy about Pakistanis, by the way, but he too absolutely loves Americans.
So I am actually beginning to wonder if everyone who maintains that Islam is a barbaric, bloodthirsty religion is either an extremist Christian Fundamentalist, War Party Zionist, or gets their paychecks directly from the Government or one of its subsidiaries like the MSM.
I myself don't know anything about Islam so I cannot comment on anything about it.
But is this the only country where the public actually believes what their politicians say and believes what they read or hear in the media?
Maybe it is.
Sometimes the "innocence" that is a great characteristic of being an American may actually work against us.
Many writers have written that Europeans are somewhat cynical compared to Americans, who are thought of to be sort of naive, in a nice way.
Maybe Muslims are cynical also compared to Americans.
Maybe all the "cynical" foreigners are more likely to form their own opinions about everything because they simply have longer national experiences in learning not to trust politicians.
Is this possible?
Could Bush cultism have happened because Americans are so naive they actually believe what these guys say?
I know so far I only have a sampling of two, which I admit is slim pickins at this point, but on the other hand Bush is just one person.
Actuually, although he is just one person, unlike each of my sample subjects who has one head, Bush is like a hydra with many heads: the Malkin head, the Feith head, the Cheney head, ad nauseum.
Nuf Said asks: How about Stalin? Would it be OK to have worked for him?
ReplyDeleteIt would have been "ok" to run the USSR's pension system. Or its railroads. Or its vaccination programs. You know, the stuff that every nation-state tends to do.
How does it read Imam? Sounds pretty good to me.
ReplyDeleteNot really. Christianity went through the reformation and the West went through secularization and the Enlightenment. Islam hasn't gone through anything like that. The religion was forged in tandem with their empire. The empire and religion existed together and thrived. Then it began crumbling. Then it was gone. Ever since then, the Arabs have been struggling. They latched on to Pan-Arabism for a while. That failed and was traded in for the restoration of Islam. Hard-core return to Islam is the new way out of the mess. And there's a reason why it works. It's authentic. If this was such a bastardization of Islam, they would be called out on it. But, in fact, the opposite is happening.
Believe what you want.
It's interesting that the media focus on Colbert has been whether his routine was "funny" or not. I think that it's irrelevant whether or not Colbert was funny. Humor is subjective. We actually even don't know how much laughter there was because as it's been frequently noted, the ambient noise from the dinner wasn't picked up by the microphones.
ReplyDeleteI guess I'm trying to say that the idea that Colbert bombed has allowed the media to now create a narrative that he wasn't funny. What about the fact that his remarks were at least controversial? Couldn't someone have reported on that? Are we supposed to now be thankful to the media that they didn't expose us to bad comedy? Because that's how they're framing this issue in order to avoid having any spotlight put on how they've shirked their responsibilities. It's clearer to me than ever that journalists are behaving like children - frightened, petulant, whiny - and that they are a truly sad collection of individuals. It must take a great deal of will and determination to get up everyday and affirmatively decide that you aren't going to do your JOB. Well, maybe it doesn't take that much if the payoff is talk show appearances, book deals, and the chance to hobnob with politicians. It's pretty sickening.
Apropos, from the Chicago Tribune:
ReplyDelete"The government is undergoing a mutation in which we are gradually shifting into another kind of government in which executive authority is supreme and significantly unchecked."
PS. As an objective observer because I don't either have money in any pot or know anything about all these political things which have happened that the rest of you do, I have to say that quote by Clinton posted at 2:24 by shooter needs some explaining as far as I am concerned.
ReplyDeleteWhat is that all about?
What is it his business what they do to their neighbors? We're not the world's policeman. I don't believe that was his motivation anyway.
It would be one thing if he said he wanted to take out Saddam to stop the Iraqi people from being tortured and massacred.
But that's not what the quote says. He says he wanted to stop Iraq from harming its neighbors, not Saddam from harming his own people.
Ha. Anyone who believes that should apply for membership in the Bush cult.
Or was Israel the neighbor he was talking about?
It looks like there have been a lot of busy, busy hands around, working overtime and mostly behind the scenes to start this Executive Branch massive "power grab"/oil/regime change/new world order/global "free markets"/Feithian nightmare stuff in motion.
Clinton's look like two of those hands. Make that four, because of wifey.
Throw in four for the Bush family also, father and son.
Someone non-partisan please explain that Clinton quote to me. No comments on this blog addressing that were very persuasive in my opinion.
I agree that until 9/11, life in this country appeared to be going on somewhat normally. Even if there were any chains lurking about, you could move and you still didn't feel them.
But since about two seconds after that incident what looked like, to me, plans with suspiciously long teeth (indicating a lifespan of somewhere between 23 years and up to possibly 50 years) were immediately slapped into effect, makes you wonder.
"The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell."
ReplyDelete(Saint Augustin / 354-430 / De genesi ad litteram / [Here, mathematician = astrologer]
As a seriously math-challenged person, I'll have to sheepishly agree with Saint Augustine.
Colbert wasn't funny? Well, of course he wasn't. He was delivering bitter satire, not going for laffs.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's not a bit surprising that some critics are calling Colbert a bully. Beneath their bombast, they understand that Bush is a coward. Yet they've invested so much in their image of him that they have to protect it, in order to protect themselves.
Oh no! I just checked out Glenn's webpage for the book and realized I am a one person weapon of mass destruction.
ReplyDeleteThose people who all gave Glenn's book such wonderful reviews?
I've attacked almost all of them on this blog.
Oops.
Senator Feingold and John Dean luckily managed to escape unscathed, only because I haven't had any reason to criticize them yet.
OK. I'll cool it from now on and bite my tongue.
I absolutely loved Digby's review (fortunately he also got under the wire unharmed by me) and his is really a wonderful tribute to what it appears has turned out to be a very, very exciting book to read.
I notice the webpage says this blog is frequented by lawyers, politicians and journalists.
It's sort of a specialty blog which explains why everyone else always seems to be so informed about everything.
Whoops. Redux.
Now I feel sort of like I broke into the Supreme Court during an oral argument and starting asking Paul Clements a bunch of questions during one of the oral arguments.
Actually, I really love those oral arguments and I taped the ones which have been televised and play them over and over like I do The Shawshank Redemption, one of my favorite movies.
I do admit it's a good thing they don't take questions from the television audience when they are having those oral arguments, or I would really be writing this comment from Gitmo now.
Anyway I'm sorry for all the intrusions here. These things happen, I guess.
Now I will go read the foreword. It sounds wonderful. I can't wait to read it.
(Great picture, Glenn. You look terrific!)
PS. I will try to send copies of Glenn's book to as many Senators and Congressmen as I can think of, and I have a possible suggestion for "action" which I will write about (briefly) tomorrow as the book is essentially a call to action, right?
PPS. I am especially glad that I read that webpage because I was just about to write about how terrible it is for a website to have a picture of an elephant (one of the noblest and gentlest of all creatures) grieving over the recently dead body of a beloved family member (elephants are very lovingly emotional and they mate for life) and protecting the body with his hoof from predetory animals who lie in wait nearby, waiting to devour that poor tragic elehpant's wife's body.
Right in front of him too. What on earth is that web host thinking?
Now I won't write about that (heh heh) but Digby points out that the amoral crassness which has overtaken America is very hurtful to him and people like him and it is to me also.
So I hope when the "liberals" get in, they will show some geniuine sensitivity and work hard to restore moral values in this country and even raise everyone's moral consciousness enough so we never again become a nation which has sunk so low that we look aside when our government institutes policies like state sanctioned torture.
whig said...
ReplyDeleteWhy are the Geolibertarians posting anonymously? There's nothing to be ashamed of.
I've made the point here repeatedly that left libertarianism is highly social, and as opposite in its way to the right libertarianism of the Cato Institute and Libertarian Party and others of their ilk, as left statism is from right statism.
They are literally opposite ends of the social spectrum.
7:35 PM
I wouldn't join any political party that would have me as a member. I'm the King of all the anarchists.
sunny said...
ReplyDeleteAs a seriously math-challenged person, I'll have to sheepishly agree with Saint Augustine.
8:21 PM
You don't have to go that far. Just buy a calculator. That's why God created them.
The Hidden Imam said...
ReplyDeleteBelieve what you want.
6:45 PM
Your ignorance is astounding. Or is it your belief system? Then again, what's the difference? They are one and the same.
Rick A. Ross Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups and Movements
ReplyDeleteFor all the Bushistas, right wing trolls, and even some of the recently liberated "libertarians" (now neo-contrarians), but yet to be fully deprogrammed. You know who you are.
So tell me again, who is it exactly who is "out of touch" with the American mainstream?
ReplyDeleteYesterday, AOL had a poll about Colbert's performance. This is important, because the Conventional Wisdom is that these AOL member polls skew conservative.
67% thought that Colbert was funny.
69% thought what he did was entirely appropriate.
AOL published five of the jokes and asked the voters to rate them a hit or a miss. They all scored as hits, by percentages ranging from 78-87%. The top vote-getter was "I believe that government which governs best governs least, and by that standard, Iraq is a success."
The White House Typists Corps has suffered from Cranial-Rectal Adhesion Syndrome for so long, they think what they're breathing is Chanel No. 5.
There are a lot of complaints about Colbert's performance, but I'll tell you why so many people are angry at it.
ReplyDeleteColbert's schtick is to mock three kinds of people.
The powerful leaders of the Republican Party.
The blowhards who make money supporting them.
*AND* the people who believe and emulate the blowhards.
All three of them... he points out the stupidities they must expect others to believe. He points out how stupid *they* are acting. But he doesn't ever *say* it... he *shows* it.
And they can feel his contempt... but they can't fight back against it.
And, while I try to avoid angry speech, I have just six words for everyone who is blasting Colbert, but who supports Limbaugh or Coulter, or their ilk.
In your face you friggin' hypocrites!
hidden imam.
ReplyDeleteActually, I didn't know what "sharia" was, so I looked it up.
Sharia is often referred to as Islamic law, but this is wrong, as only a small part is irrefutably based upon the core Islamic text, the Koran. A correct designation is "Muslim Law" (i.e. the law system of the Muslims), or "Islam-inspired", "Islam-derived," or even "the law system of Muslims."
This is well known to most Muslims, yet Sharia is always referred to as "based upon the Koran", hence it is the "will of God."
One sees traces of many non-Muslim juridical systems in the Sharia, such as Old Arab Bedouin law, commercial law from Mecca, agrarian law from Madina, law from the conquered countries, Roman law and Jewish law."
OK. I think I see the problem here. Wasn't it Shakespeare who said something like the first thing to do is to kill all the lawyers?
The religion itself seems to get a pass as religions go. The lawyers, as usual (with the exception of Glenn) are a whole different story.
Maybe most of their politicians have law degrees.
Anyway, it's the politicians who make the laws, isn't it?
Is Paul Begla a lawyer? I wouldn't put it past him :)
Just think, all you lefties who loved Clinton, Paul Begala was one of the men who "created" him.
Now that Paul Begala is revealing his own "primary colors", want to rethink your opinions of Clinton?
Bumiller was afraid. Now she's defending that. Instead she should admit she was afraid and start doing her job. I do not accept her "defence." This sure seems to be the decad of no personal responsibiliy .....as in truthiness. Appearance has become the substitute for reality in this country. Unfortunately, as the rest of the world caves in on us in the coming years, we're going to have to wake up and it ain't gonna be pretty. We've gotten away with our addictions and fantasy lives because we've been using most of the world's resources and solidified a juvenile and false macho American identity. It is an illusion.
ReplyDeletehe could Go Army and stake his own life on it, if he had any balls
ReplyDeleteOnly if you promise to be ready and waiting on the other side. We will see who has balls.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeletehe could Go Army and stake his own life on it, if he had any balls
Only if you promise to be ready and waiting on the other side. We will see who has balls.
10:31 PM
Is that you, Lord Spazula?
Analmouse said...Its real easy to talk like a man when you are on mommy's computer. REAL men don't create threats about gay sex. Its disrespectful and only shows the world what lousy breeding stock you are from.
ReplyDeleteAll the more reason that your mother should not have spent so much time on the farm.
11:21 PM
You think that's how "real men" talk? I was talking like a teen-age jock, getting down on your level to better communicate with a limp-dick moron like yourself. Like it or not, (I know you don't) homosexuality occurs in nature. Gay sex is part of life, it's even legal. Where you come from, down on the farm, bestiality is part of life, all the wingers agree. It's never been legal. You need to go away. Go slop the hogs.
Why would they not report the truth? They probably have an incentive clause with a favorability rating for Bush. If they are favorable to Bush, say on a yearly basis, then they get to go to the White House's Correspondents dinner. Also, their patron corporate media gets favorable FCC and tax benefits.
ReplyDeleteHey buddy, it isn't me carrying the livestock around in the family genes. Glad your grateful that being gay isn't illegal. Just hope you will choose not to keep adding your freakin' dna into the gene pool.
ReplyDeleteIt looks like you can't get past the waders pool.
I wonder if the anonimi who are posting about bestiality are indicative of what Glenn was talking about a couple of days ago...
ReplyDeleteOne of the most valuable resources for me in maintaining this blog is the substance of the discussion in the Comments section. I'd consider it a real loss if there were an exodus of high-quality commenters who were replaced by hordes of anonymous insult-wielders spewing talking point cliches and cheap insults at one another.
When I began this blog, I believed very strongly in a laissez faire policy for comments, and for many reasons, I still do. Nonetheless, preserving the quality of the Comments section here is a higher priority for me than some abstract allegiance to that idea.
In other words, please stop.
bgrower, what is the matter with you. Why is it so hard to see that BUSH DIDN'T BUNGLE IRAQ, YOU FOOLS. THE MISSION WAS INDEED ACCOMPLISHED
ReplyDeleteby Greg Palast
Get off it. All the carping, belly-aching and complaining about George Bush's incompetence in Iraq, from both the Left and now the Right, is just dead wrong.
On the third anniversary of the tanks rolling over Iraq's border, most of the 59 million Homer Simpsons who voted for Bush are beginning to doubt if his mission was accomplished.
But don't kid yourself -- Bush and his co-conspirator, Dick Cheney, accomplished exactly what they set out to do. In case you've forgotten what their real mission was, let me remind you of White House spokesman Ari Fleisher's original announcement, three years ago, launching of what he called,
"Operation
Iraqi
Liberation."
O.I.L. How droll of them, how cute. Then, Karl Rove made the giggling boys in the White House change it to "OIF" -- Operation Iraqi Freedom. But the 101st Airborne wasn't sent to Basra to get its hands on Iraq's OIF.
"It's about oil," Robert Ebel told me. Who is Ebel? Formerly the CIA's top oil analyst, he was sent by the Pentagon, about a month before the invasion, to a secret confab in London with Saddam's former oil minister to finalize the plans for "liberating" Iraq's oil industry. In London, Bush's emissary Ebel also instructed Ibrahim Bahr al-Ulum, the man the Pentagon would choose as post-OIF oil minister for Iraq, on the correct method of disposing Iraq's crude.
And what did the USA want Iraq to do with Iraq's oil? The answer will surprise many of you: and it is uglier, more twisted, devilish and devious than anything imagined by the most conspiracy-addicted blogger. The answer can be found in a 323-page plan for Iraq's oil secretly drafted by the State Department. Our team got a hold of a copy; how, doesn't matter. The key thing is what's inside this thick Bush diktat: a directive to Iraqis to maintain a state oil company that will "enhance its relationship with OPEC."
Enhance its relationship with OPEC??? How strange: the government of the United States ordering Iraq to support the very OPEC oil cartel which is strangling our nation with outrageously high prices for crude.
Specifically, the system ordered up by the Bush cabal would keep a lid on Iraq's oil production -- limiting Iraq's oil pumping to the tight quota set by Saudi Arabia and the OPEC cartel.
There you have it. Yes, Bush went in for the oil -- not to get more of Iraq's oil, but to prevent Iraq producing too much of it.
You must keep in mind who paid for George's ranch and Dick's bunker: Big Oil. And Big Oil -- and their buck-buddies, the Saudis -- don't make money from pumping more oil, but from pumping less of it. The lower the supply, the higher the price.
It's Economics 101. The oil industry is run by a cartel, OPEC, and what economists call an "oligopoly" -- a tiny handful of operators who make more money when there's less oil, not more of it. So, every time the "insurgents" blow up a pipeline in Basra, every time Mad Mahmoud in Tehran threatens to cut supply, the price of oil leaps. And Dick and George just love it.
Dick and George didn't want more oil from Iraq, they wanted less. I know some of you, no matter what I write, insist that our President and his Veep are on the hunt for more crude so you can cheaply fill your family Hummer; that somehow, these two oil-patch babies are concerned that the price of gas in the USA is bumping up to $3 a gallon.
Not so, gentle souls. Three bucks a gallon in the States (and a quid a litre in Britain) means colossal profits for Big Oil, and that makes Dick's ticker go pitty-pat with joy. The top oily-gopolists, the five largest oil companies, pulled in $113 billion in profit in 2005 -- compared to a piddly $34 billion in 2002 before Operation Iraqi Liberation. In other words, it's been a good war for Big Oil.
As per Plan Bush, Bahr Al-Ulum became Iraq's occupation oil minister; the conquered nation "enhanced its relationship with OPEC;" and the price of oil, from Clinton peace-time to Bush war-time, shot up 317%.
In other words, on the third anniversary of invasion, we can say the attack and occupation is, indeed, a Mission Accomplished. However, it wasn't America's mission, nor the Iraqis'. It was a Mission Accomplished for OPEC and Big Oil.
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The inability of the faux "advertise liberally" circle of links to grasp this is mindblowing, at least if you assume they are actually "liberal."
Greg Palast has REAL credentials, does REAL reporting, and has written MEANINGFUL books for many years. Yet the "superblogs" never link to him. Most of them couldn't wear his jockstrap.
Chickenhawk George and his henpeckers leave the men and women doing their dirty work out in the cold.
ReplyDeleteGlenn. Your lucidity provides me a daily rubdown of my chronic, aching vengeance against the right. "Incomparably obsolete relic" made me throw my fist in the air with glee.
ReplyDeleteUof Chicago contitutional law professor Geoffrey Stone weighs in on the threat by the Bush admin to prosecute journalists under the 1917 Espionage Act:
ReplyDeleteAlthough the continuing threats of the Bush administration are largely bluster, they must nonetheless be taken seriously. They represent further steps in this administration’s relentless campaign to intimidate and control the press, and to keep the American people in the dark. This, in itself, poses a clear and present danger to our democracy.
"anon" who posted at 1:06 AM:
ReplyDeleteI have a number of questions for you. Do you come here every day? How will we know it's you when you come back?
Thanks.
Meanwhile, as knowledgeable about political history as most on this thread seem to be, at the end of the day it appears that sophisticated political observers are like libertarians in that no two of them agree about all that much of anything. In short, although there are often basic points of agreement, there's not consistently that much common ground.
This is especially true in the discussions of political labels like "conservative" and "liberal" where each commenter seems to have his own definition of those terms and his own view of which individuals or groups may or may not be truly representative of any given "label".
Would it be better when Glenn's book comes out if we focus on what actions we can take pursuant to Glenn's book's call to action, once we all have read it, and how best to achieve those goals which he and the majority of his readers are most concerned about.
One thing I have noticed. Almost all of the people with otherwise widely divergent political views agree on one thing: they like what Glenn writes and essentially agree with what he says.
If Greg Palast wants to weigh in to help others identify the "real issues" and then say what he thinks should be done at this stage, then maybe he can also join the discussion on this blog? Seems like he's a terrific investigative reporter and his input would be very valuable. He also seems to be a very good connector of dots.
Can someone who knows him invite him to participate in the discussions between Glenn and his readers?
There is one thing I think everyone should think carefully about because it seems like it has become more than obvious.
Almost nobody here can name a single Republican elected politican who is addressing the real issues.
And almost nobody here can name a single Democratic elected politician who is really talking about the same things Glenn and the rest of us here are with the possible exception of Sen. Feingold.
Whatever is going on, whatever "cartel" or rogue element or oil group or neo-con cabal is behind whatever secret "plot" is going on that would explain all these illogical and perplexing events, it's clear that the entire Government of the United States is in on it.
I really don't think that can be denied any more by anyone who is talking with a straight face.
the cynic librarian said...
ReplyDelete"Uof Chicago contitutional law professor Geoffrey Stone weighs in on the threat by the Bush admin to prosecute journalists under the 1917 Espionage Act:
Although the continuing threats of the Bush administration are largely bluster, they must nonetheless be taken seriously. They represent further steps in this administration’s relentless campaign to intimidate and control the press, and to keep the American people in the dark. This, in itself, poses a clear and present danger to our democracy."
I don't see why anyone should take them seriously. Or why anyone should feel intimidated.
The Bush JD has a real problem if they try to take the NYT reporters to court under the espionage act.
Bush knew the article existed a year before it was published because the NYT reporters told him they had written it. They also sat on it for a year at the request of the President. They even went back to the President at the end of the year long wait for some kind of action to correct what was going on. Bush again asked them not to print it but he took no action to stop it. And therein lies the problem for Bush. If the NYT article did indeed violate the law and Bush did nothing to stop it from being published that makes him guilty also.
angryadvertiseliberallyguy,
ReplyDeleteYou just blew my mind. So if I can get a handle around this... Iraq was not about spreading Democracy, it was about making more money for big oil. WOW. Seriously, WOW! I have to sit down.
That just shoots my theory out of the water. I thought we invaded to siphon billions into the concurrent, unelected "government" that bubbled up to the surface during Iran/Contra.
Superblogs indeed.
GREG PALAST
ReplyDeleteDescribed as ”The world’s greatest investigative reporter you’ve never heard of.”
OK. I agree with anon. I never heard of this man before, but do I hope Glenn will get around to him.
It looks like either he's full of baloney and just another huckster or, very possibly, that he really is one of the "world's greatest investigative reporters."
But then you have to ask yourself, how come he's still alive?
Listen to the Bush-Bin Laden audiotape on his site.
Gris Lobo and Cynic Librarian,
ReplyDeleteI don't see this as an acute problem. I see this as a chronic problem in American politics. This is the same ugly side of American politics that has been rearing it's head throughout the last century. Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. Vigilance from the threats within as much as the threats from without. Even moreso because no country on earth can take this country down from without like we can take it down from within.
the whole world is listening!
ReplyDeleteEven the Japanese go crazy for "Grenn Gleenward's brog, Uncraimed Tellitoly."
Grand Coalition
ReplyDeleteThe Left and Right can – and should – join together against military adventurism
Gee. How strange. I went to antiwar.com and look what I just found. This is what I was trying to say, although in an admittedly garbled and inarticulate way.
The global crisis we face today makes the old Left-Right arguments over public ownership and tax rates irrelevant. Let's have those debates later, but first let's get rid of those who threaten us with Armageddon."
In March 2003, on the eve of the war against Iraq, I wrote in The American Conservative of the urgent need for a permanent Left/Right alliance to challenge the dominance of the warmongers who have seized control of the government and opposition parties on both sides of the Atlantic.
The response to my article, an Anglicized version of which later appeared in the British left-wing weekly The New Statesman, took me completely by surprise. I was inundated with e-mails and letters of support and questions as to how such an alliance could be brought about.
lastnamechosen:
ReplyDeleteVery funny, but tell me. How come the entire elected government has been going along with the "unelected government" of which you speak which "bubbled up to the surface" during Iran/Contra?
(Who is that, btw? The neo-cons?)
Greg Palast is an odd duck. I'm sure most of TWDNVFB (those who did not vote for Bush) have heard of him before. I have. He was very prominent after the 2000 selection when no one wanted to discuss that 2000 lbs. elephant in the room. Depending on how things go in 2006 and 2008, there will be many more people vocal about this issue. How did they go in the Ohio primaries this past week? Guess.
ReplyDeleteOhio Struggles to Fix Voting Problems
It's truly sad for many of us to see this, knowing as some of us do that your vote in Cuba is more likely to be fairly counted today than in some states (controlled by the GOP) in this country.
But this is Glenn's site. Why this fellow can't just come and post his opinions without going off is beyond me. He can post links to Palast articles, yet he doesn't. We all know the Democrats are Republican lite, but we have no magic wand to wave and make it right overnight. It takes time and patience and constant, even eternal vigilance. Perhaps you would like the work of http://www.consortiumnews.com/ as well, EWO. And certainly, Thom Hartmann.
that was meant to be Robert Parry of Consortium News in the first link that got flubbed. I know you will like Thom Hartmann and that link worked.
ReplyDeleteWhen Glenn said about the Colbert deal is almost exactly what I said on Dailykos. I'm MNPundit btw, I just hate to have the bother of signing into blogger because I can never remember the password I use here.
ReplyDeleteHey look at this. From the same Grand Coalition article:
ReplyDeleteThe principles would, I suggest, be the following: the rejection of all forms of imperialism, whether they fly under a military, financial, or human rights banner; opposition to the international rule of money power and global corporate governance; support for the rule of international law, national sovereignty, and the principles of the UN Charter; opposition to the War Party's attempts to curtail our age-old civil liberties under the pretext of "The War on Terror"; and last, but certainly not least, our rejection of war as a method of solving international disputes.
For anyone agreed with most of these points – whether a disciple of Ayn Rand or Karl Marx, Russell Kirk or Tony Benn, Jesus Christ or Mahatma Gandhi, the Dalai Lama or Lew Rockwell – the Peace Party would be a home.
Pretty broad coalition. But okay. Count me in.
And, just looking at Thom's site, I am reminded of Project Censored. Always keep an eye on them for the most underreported big stories in the country. It's a group of students and academics from various disciplines in the Journalism dept. at Sonoma State University in CA.
ReplyDeleteNow compare this... Project Uncensored
ReplyDeleteEric Boehlert's "Lapdogs" On The Swift Boat Hoax: "The Press, Spooked About Being Tagged As Too Liberal, Played Dumb On An Unprecedented Scale"...
In his new book, "Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over For Bush," Eric Boehlert dissects the Beltway media's culpability during the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth smear campaign from the 2004 campaign and concludes the episode "likely delivered Bush the cushion he needed to win in November" and "represented an embarrassing new benchmark for campaign season reporting." "Lapdogs" holds the press accountable for the central role it played in enabling a smear campaign that consumed the crucial campaign month of August 2004 -- "a media monsoon that washed away Kerry's momentum coming out of the Democratic convention."
How, for instance, the Washington Post published 13 page-one Swift Boat stories in 12 days, most of which failed to address the key fact that the Swift boat allegations -- that Kerry lied about his Vietnam War record -- were riddled with errors and compounded by the veterans' fanciful, ever-changing stories. Despite the lack of evidence to substantiate their claims, which were floated 35 years after the fact and bankrolled by partisan Republicans, the press refused, in real time, to call out the Swift Boat allegations as a dirty trick.
"Lapdogs," in bookstores next week, charges that the press, spooked by allegations of liberal bias, has been "afraid of the facts and the consequences of reporting them" during the Bush years.
From Boehlert's "Lapdogs: How the Press Rolled Over For Bush":
...But was the story really that hard for journalists to decipher? As Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting suggested in 2004, what if the situation had been reversed and the shoddy Vietnam-ear attacks targeted Bush's war service? What if all the available documents showed that George Bush had fully completed his obligation in the Air National Guard with flying colors? What if virtually every member of his unit said he had been there the whole time, and had done a great job? And then suppose a group of fiercely partisan Democrats who never actually served in Bush's Guard unit came forward to claim for the first time--and 35 years after the fact--that Guard documents and the first-hand accounts were wrong, and that Bush really hadn't been present for his Guard service. Would the MSM really have had a hard time figuring out who was telling the truth, and would the MSM really have showered the accusers with weeks worth of free media coverage?
But playing dumb about the Swifties had become epidemic among journalists who must have known better. At one point, NBC's Tim Russert asked a guest, "If the substance of many of the charges [from] "Unfit for Command," aren't holding up...why is it resonating so much?" Like so many other journalists, Russert refused to acknowledge the media's integral role in turning the Swifty story into a news phenomenon. Why was it "resonating so much" Russert wondered out loud. Maybe because in the month of August, 2004, NBC network news alone covered the Swift Boat story on Aug. 8, 15, 19, 20, 22, 23, 25, 26, and 29. CBS covered the story Aug. 8, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, and 30, while ABC devoted airtime to it on Aug. 6, 8, 9, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, and 26. Some of the networks, using different morning and evening news programs, returned to the topic several times in one day. For instance on Aug 23, CBS reported on the Swifty controversy four different times, which, of course, represented four more times than the CBS News division reported on questions surrounding Bush's Guard service during the entire 2000 campaign.
Reporters had the power the knock the phony Swift Boat story down fast and reveal it for the dirty trick it was, but too many chose not to. Relatively early on in the August coverage, ABC's Nightline devoted an entire episode to the allegations and reported, "The Kerry campaign calls the charges wrong, offensive and politically motivated. And points to Naval records that seemingly contradict the charges." (Emphasis added.) Seemingly? A more accurate phrasing would have been that Navy records "completely" or "thoroughly" contradicted the Swifties. But that would have meant not only having to stand up a well-funded Republican campaign attack machine, but also casting doubt on television news' hottest political story of the summer..."
People who didn't see the Swift Boat smear for what it was, and I needn't mention any names here, are suffering from obvious of bias, incapable of thinking for themselves, or seeing the facts from the fantasy and lies. They are easily manipulated, and some of them are quite intelligent. They are deluded and on the kool-aid.
ReplyDeleteeyes wide open,
ReplyDeleteWhen it comes to politics, I don't believe in anything I can't prove. So I was being somewhat facetious. I guess my point was, when it comes to conspiracy why waog? You know that thing that people over fifty do. They get all dressed up in exercise outfits and go walking but they move their arms like they are jogging. That is waoging. It is like the moonwalk or the mime escalator except you use your arms for the optical illusion instead of your legs.
Why waog when you can sprint. There is nothing worse than a boring conspiracy theory. "Neo-cons" and "oily-gopolists" are pretty boring.
I am not sure if even the craziest conspiracy theory can explain this.
Bart, and the rest of us, may want to watch this website today...
ReplyDeleteThese Washington journalists should grow up. Kindergarten does not last forever--and the truth is not always funny, either for the dead or the living.
ReplyDeleteThey are no longer suspected of telling the truth so they will have nothing to fear, fragile creatures that they are.
Just a thought about Colbert's "tramsgressions" and the outrage of the wounded.
ReplyDeleteYou're allowed to mock yourself, but criticism of others isn't allowed. That's because you can't possibly really mean it, at least not deep down. Your jokes about the foibles of others are acceptable only to the extent that they're obviously jokes or caricatures that once again can't really be taken seriously. When it starts to hit too close to home, or cut too deeply, it's no longer "funny". It's not nice, or even just plain mean.
So comics aren't allowed any serious criticism, because that's not their job; the serious stuff is supposed to be left to the professionals. But what if the "professionals" aren't doing their job? I harken back to the Crossfire appearance of Jon Stewart, and Tucker Carlson's lame request that Stewart just be "funny". Stewart refused to be funny. And he told the stuffed shirts there that he wouldn't have to do what he did if the news media would only do what they're supposed to do.
Don't think that the rule being violated here is that you're not allowed to be "mean" in public and actually engage in substantive criticism? What do you think would happen if someone, describing themselves, got up and explained what an absolute dork and an eedjit they had been, and how they were responsible for all kinds of mayhem and tragedy? I guarantee you you'd see the same damn side-long glances, nervous twitters, and grim and uncomfortable faces as you saw when Colbert laid it out for us. The problem wasn't that Colbert wasn't "funny" (which he was, in a Swiftian way), it was that he was right.
What does it say when serious criticism becomes impossible because of the enormity of the crime? What can we do when the sheer volume of lies and the sheer magnitude of the bungling makes it impossible to even report the story straight without sounding like a "screaming nutcase" (and making everyone uncomfortable)? I'd say the system's broken, and we need new rules if we're ever to recover.
FWIW, I think someone ought to institute a Jonathan Swift award to be given yearly to the one who ignores the "rules of civilised society" and says what needs to be said (Glenn?) *wink* *wink*). And I nominate Stephen Colbert for the first such award.
Cheers,
Kinsley Claims its the Press being unfair about Constition not other way around
ReplyDeleteMichael Kinsley in his recent editorial suggests that its the press thats being unfair to the President.
"Why does the press hold Bush to one constitutional standard and itself to another?
....But why should he stay out of the "I say what's constitutional around here" game if his tormentors in the press are playing it?"
With supposedly "liberal" commentors writing such vacuous inane columns no wonder we have such a mess.
He fails to identify the double standard he alleges.
He fails to address the issue that the President swore and oath under the Constitution and is one of the most powerful inviduals on earth due to the power he has under that Constution.
He fails to address the potential abuses of power given a Presidential constitutional views versus Journalists.
He fails to address that the Constitution is the defining document for Presidential power and by its terms limits his power, and by its own terms places no restrictions on journalists for them to abuse in the first place.
He fails to identify who these alleged tormentors are in the press.
He suggests that the President of the U.S. is entitled to "game" the Constitution if anyone else in the nation allegedly does so and that there is no difference.
He fails to recognize that journalists who break the law on the basis of their opinions are subject to arrest and prosecution by the Federal government headed by the President and not the other way around.
What motivates Kinsley to write such an inane column?
http://www.slate.com/id/2141085/
If he is interested in examining how journalists view the Constitution and critique it, he could certainly do so without such a completely lame and false suggestion of equivalence.
His complete failure to provide any actual examples of such a alleged double standard highlights the conceptual failure of the entire column.
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ReplyDeleteKinsley Claims its the Press being unfair about Constition not other way around
I give it a 2. It's got a lousy beat and I can't dance to it.
Your update makes little sense. She said she was afraid of the lights, the attention, the seriousness of the moment, not some dreaded evil power wielded by Bush. Seriousness that is sadly lacking here.
ReplyDeletezack, very good post about Colbert.
ReplyDeleteNow I will go look at some of the links provided by commenters.
Lastnamechosen: I read the article on oil metering, but I can't tap in to the import or implications of it.
Please tell me if you can. I missed it somehow.
Before you get a gig at a newspaper, on radio, or TV, we ought to demand a license.
ReplyDelete"Have you succesfully completed the "Speak Truth to Power" class? Did you add an extra layer of skin?
Good, now do your job!!!"
Keep up the great work, Glenn!!! I can hardly wait to read your book. I'm ordering it now.